And this lot want to run the country,heaven help us. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45634379

Banned the EU flag, but allowed this?

Unbelievable!

tiger76 wrote:And this lot want to run the country,heaven help us. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45634379

They are promising so much like a Greek party and look at that country. I really worry that they will get in.

I'm sure this will go a long way towards helping with Labours anti Jew problems.

Can’t smile wide enough....

Disgraceful party now is labour. Utterly shocking
I wonder if the young labour voters can even begin to understand what an odious bunch of anti British loons will do to our country. If they get in In off.

Such a good job we're so safe with the alternative.

So what is wrong with showing some solidarity with an oppressed people?

Cirrus_Minor wrote:So what is wrong with showing some solidarity with an oppressed people?

Nothing....

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'm sure this will go a long way towards helping with Labours anti Jew problems.

I believe Palestine was stolen and should be restored but I have no anti-semitic feelings whatsoever. The one does not automatically lead to the other.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'm sure this will go a long way towards helping with Labours anti Jew problems.

I don’t like the Saudi Arabian rulers do does that make me Islamophobic?

I don’t care much for Putins mob so does that make me a hater of Russian Orthadox people?

Cirrus_Minor wrote:So what is wrong with showing some solidarity with an oppressed people?

Probably the whole terrorist state thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As well as the 'kill the Jews through Jihad' thing that's always popping up in their charters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Ant ... ti-Zionism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As a rule I try not to align myself with murderous terrorists, but each to their own I guess.

the entire party is a ******* embarrassment, that east ender dollop was pathetic. they have become a vapid, joke of a party, intent on gathering the 5 million muslims votes and for no other reason,

Local , Wavertree MP, Luciana Berger had to have a police escort into the party conference......

They used to be the British working class party.

They've become the Islington dinner party.

And with swathes of the North and Midlands seeing them clearly attempting to dismantle democracy, by backing a 2nd referendum. They're making the chances of Comrade Jezza picking up the keys for number 10, non existent.

the flag debacle was their death knell,

The Labour party has been stolen by the left..the loony left as demonstrated by the shenanigans at their conference. God help this country with the choices we have to choose from. Just waiting now for Mr Momentum himself to rock up and tell us how it is all an anti-Corbyn media conspiracy. I'd laugh if it wasn't such a tragedy. It is like the early 80s all over again. No lessons learnt at all.

As a working class boy from the north i watched that Kier Starmers speech yesterday and felt totally betrayed.
Ringo is spot on this party is not fit for purpose if you live north of Watford

Its such a big thing for the left that they fail to see that it isn't for anyone else.

Everybody else shook their heads years ago and realised that you can't solve this problem without really shitting on one side or the other, and by and large have left them to it.

What is it now? seventy years since 1948? Four major wars, lots of fighting and protests and we are no nearer a solution down there.

I'm not sure waving lots of flags at a party conference will do anything but put off potential Labour voters to be honest.

I too was disgusted with the palestinian flag waving , I have always voted Labour, but I could not vote for for Corbyn at the last election, and never will....

Shame there is nobody else I feel I can vote for.

Cirrus_Minor wrote:So what is wrong with showing some solidarity with an oppressed people?

Are your eyes painted on?

Someone above posted that Palestine was stolen. But Lancaster has alluded to the fact that the State of Israel was created in 1948.If, primarily Egypt, Jordan and Syria had embraced that rather than trying to wipe therm off the face of the earth then the Palestinians wouldn't have suffered their first displacement. Similarly if Egypt had not reneged on its agreement to not close the straits of Tiran then the 1967 offensive would likely not have taken place.

I accept that a lot of what Israel are doing now seems offensive to us and given the way they were treated by the Nazis makes it seem worse you need to look at both sides. And again Lancaster has alluded to that and the difficulties of so doing.

Below is an extract about Jerusalem which adds a bit of context and sort of redresses the balance.

Between 1948 and 1967, the city was characterized by the repression of religious freedom and the destruction of minorities’ places of worship. All but two of the Old City’s 58 synagogues were destroyed under Jordanian rule[3]. Furthermore, Jordan’s King Hussein permitted the uprooting of thousands of tombstones at the Mount of Olives Cemetery for the construction of roads through the complex and even latrines for the Jordanian soldiers stationed there END.

I do not think there will be peace in that region until the Muslim/Arabs first agree that they are willing to drop their demands for Israel as a country should cease to exist. I believe that is an aim of Hamas in Gaza hence the problems there.

A real can of works not helped by flag waving at the Labour conference.

This morning BBC have shown an MP speaking at a momentum conference calling for a General Strike to get rid of the democratically elected govt. and the worrying thing is a member of the shadow cabinet clapped enthusiastically and the audience jumped to their feet. Momentum are taking over this party and it reminded me of the bit in the film Cabaret “you still think you can control them”

Momentum can take over the Labour party as much as they like, but they have to win an election.

They should be streets ahead of this current rubbish lot, but aren't.

They think its because they are not left wing enough, pretty much everybody else completely disagrees!

One positive of a Labour Government is that we would be less likely to end up fighting another war for Israel. The Iraq War resulted in the following:

...The UK lost 179 servicemen and women during the campaign that followed the invasion of Iraq on 20 March 2003.

......The financial cost ...approx £10bn.

bluelabrador16 wrote:......The financial cost ...approx £10bn.

The final expenditure on the arms industries in he west...

claretsintown wrote:As a working class boy from the north i watched that Kier Starmers speech yesterday and felt totally betrayed.

So could you go through Starmer's speech and highlight which bits betrayed the northern working class?
If you look at Labour's 6 tests, (not that I think they are all worded well), which of these does not have the intention of protecting the interests of jobs, industries, workers, and local economies, which has been the focus of Labour's brexit strategy?
(Not that I think the Labour Party is unified on the detail or has been particularly coherent at times, but it has developed a policy over time, which is more than can be said for the Govt.).

gawthorpe_view wrote:Banned the EU flag, but allowed this?

Stewards stopped him waving one. I doubt it was actually policy and more likely just some brextremist snow-flaky steward was upset that someone supported being in the EU. But i'm willing to be corrected if there's evidence that EU flags were actually banned by the Labour party.

nil_desperandum wrote:So could you go through Starmer's speech and highlight which bits betrayed the northern working class?
If you look at Labour's 6 tests, (not that I think they are all worded well), which of these does not have the intention of protecting the interests of jobs, industries, workers, and local economies, which has been the focus of Labour's brexit strategy?
(Not that I think the Labour Party is unified on the detail or has been particularly coherent at times, but it has developed a policy over time, which is more than can be said for the Govt.).

"which of these does not have the intention of protecting the interests of jobs, industries, workers, and local economies, which has been the focus of Labour's brexit strategy?"

None

They are solely concerned with pandering to an increasingly desperate, Londoncentric Remoaner hard core rump, in a thinly veiled attempt to frustrate the process of leaving the EU. And try and force a general election.

Which they will lose with some style!

RingoMcCartney wrote:"which of these does not have the intention of protecting the interests of jobs, industries, workers, and local economies, which has been the focus of Labour's brexit strategy?"

None

Have you actually read them? Come on Ringo you're better than this. You might disagree with some of them, but to say none is plainly ridiculous.

nil_desperandum wrote:Have you actually read them? Come on Ringo you're better than this. You might disagree with some of them, but to say none is plainly ridiculous.

Thanks for the compliment nil. I'm no better than the next man.

Surprisingly, I don't disagree with any of it.

By holding their 6 tests position the majority of voters will see them for what they are. You're entirely entitled to disagree. I think the ballot box will prove who was right.

“Comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous Tory government as soon as we can.

“And if we can’t get a general election we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade union [movement] to bring an end to this government with a general strike.”

There's nothing like democracy.

And that's NOTHING LIKE DEMOCRACY

claretsintown wrote:As a working class boy from the north i watched that Kier Starmers speech yesterday and felt totally betrayed.
Ringo is spot on this party is not fit for purpose if you live north of Watford

This shower stopped being the party for the working class/man years ago.

nil_desperandum wrote:So could you go through Starmer's speech and highlight which bits betrayed the northern working class?
If you look at Labour's 6 tests, (not that I think they are all worded well), which of these does not have the intention of protecting the interests of jobs, industries, workers, and local economies, which has been the focus of Labour's brexit strategy?
(Not that I think the Labour Party is unified on the detail or has been particularly coherent at times, but it has developed a policy over time, which is more than can be said for the Govt.).

Labours own position on brexit fails it's six tests.

Jeffbfc wrote:This shower stopped being the party for the working class/man years ago.

It's an metropolitan bubble dweller dinner party.

The Labour Party has become a joke, and it's a tragedy. Who, other than a student, a union leader or a North London wealthy leftie, could ever take Corbyn seriously?

Young people should be idealistic, but all this rubbish about the old Daily Mail readers popping off and us being left with a socialist utopia is about as dim as you can get.

Some people will always be Tory, some will always be Labour, but a huge number move gently to the right as they get older. It's when the lovely vail of naivity slips and you realise that politicians are all pretty similar apart from the extreme nutters. I, and a lot of my pals, were hard left at University, New Labour in the 90s, Liberal Dem after the Iraq War and now...

It's probably spoil the ballot paper time

Guich wrote:The Labour Party has become a joke, and it's a tragedy. Who, other than a student, a union leader or a North London wealthy leftie, could ever take Corbyn seriously?

Was it any different from the 80's though? The NUM, Michael Foot and the 'Longest suicide note in history', CND?

Is the view of Jeremy Corbyn any different now than how people perceived Labour back in the 1980's?

Guich wrote:The Labour Party has become a joke, and it's a tragedy. Who, other than a student, a union leader or a North London wealthy leftie, could ever take Corbyn seriously?

Young people should be idealistic, but all this rubbish about the old Daily Mail readers popping off and us being left with a socialist utopia is about as dim as you can get.

Some people will always be Tory, some will always be Labour, but a huge number move gently to the right as they get older. It's when the lovely vail of naivity slips and you realise that politicians are all pretty similar apart from the extreme nutters. I, and a lot of my pals, were hard left at University, New Labour in the 90s, Liberal Dem after the Iraq War and now...

It's probably spoil the ballot paper time

By the age of 20, if you're not a socialist. You have no heart.



By the age of 40, if you're not conservative. You have no brain.

Another thread descended into a ''I'm right''.. are but have you considered this? ''yes but I'm still right''...etc etc.

Spijed wrote:Was it any different from the 80's though? The NUM, Michael Foot and the 'Longest suicide note in history', CND?

Is the view of Jeremy Corbyn any different now than how people perceived Labour back in the 1980's?

No it isn't much different, but it took a paradigm shift in Labour thinking and a clear out in order to get them elected again. That and Black Wednesday of course. It was virtually a new party that was elected under Blair in terms of thinking and policy. Labour members, MPs, councillors et al were happy to go through that shift at the time in order to get back into power. There is no prospect of a similar turn of events happening within Labour any time soon.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Stewards stopped him waving one. I doubt it was actually policy and more likely just some brextremist snow-flaky steward was upset that someone supported being in the EU. But i'm willing to be corrected if there's evidence that EU flags were actually banned by the Labour party.

Ah so they're not banned, you're just banned from waving them!

They're more "prohibited" than banned aren't they? Do you know, I don't think anyone had spotted this distinction before you pointed it out. Thanks for explaining it.

And as you say, it was almost certainly the work of a Brextremist.

bluelabrador16 wrote:One positive of a Labour Government is that we would be less likely to end up fighting another war for Israel. The Iraq War resulted in the following:

...The UK lost 179 servicemen and women during the campaign that followed the invasion of Iraq on 20 March 2003.

......The financial cost ...approx £10bn.

If you knew anything about the history of Israel you would know that they don't need our help in any war.
Those boys are used to giving and taking ****.

I have sympathy for both sides, but it isn't anything we can resolve, it's up to them. I'm sure if they were inclined the Israelis could wipe out Gaza in a week, but as long as Hamas keep threatening them and carrying out futile attacks, Jerusalem will have nothing to do with them. It only takes one to make a war, it takes two to make a peace.

To be fair, there won't be peace under Netanyahu either.

Israel need to elect someone less mad to start with.

South West Claret. wrote:Another thread descended into a ''I'm right''.. are but have you considered this? ''yes but I'm still right''...etc etc.

Exactly same old recycled B*LL**KS, my only input on this, you can only be right once regarding a transient point, quickly moves on then your wrong regarding another transient point.

I think some excellent things have come out of this conference, but it's not a surprise to see the media, and those who read it, focus on spinning it all negatively.

The policy of re-balancing worker / employer relations is very good for the working man, and for businesses themselves (which will be focused not on short term gain but long term). The changes to education will reverse most of Gove's destruction, and not allow academy bosses to rip off the taxpayer. Reiteration of an ethical foreign policy. Focus on renewable energy. Renationalisation of water, rail, and energy. Extension of subsidised childcare. Building more council houses. There's a great deal there that is good for the ordinary voter, and I think when we contrast it with next week's conference with Britain as a 'low tax, business friendly' (as though that has worked these last forty years) place; then there'll be a clear choice for voters in the next election. Policy against policy it's very obvious Labour is on the side of ordinary people a lot more than the Conservatives. Even Labour's brexit position is better than theirs.

Jeffbfc wrote:This shower stopped being the party for the working class/man years ago.

It must be 6 years since I first said I never left the Labour party, they left me. They're far worse today than they were 6 years ago.

As a staunch Socialist I would rather vote Tory, and I hate the bastards.

The next election will bring a massive turn in Politics, as people get pig sick of both parties. A new version of the SDP is coming, PLEASE.

I don't really have a position on the Israel, Palestine debate. It does strike me as being incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant to pull a stunt like that though, when you're under the microscope for a not unrelated issue.

Colburn_Claret wrote:It must be 6 years since I first said I never left the Labour party, they left me. They're far worse today than they were 6 years ago.

As a staunch Socialist I would rather vote Tory, and I hate the bastards.

The next election will bring a massive turn in Politics, as people get pig sick of both parties. A new version of the SDP is coming, PLEASE.

Were you a member of Labour in the 80's?

I was a member from about 85, despite hating Corbyn and Momentum I only cancelled membership last month. I lived in hope that they would back away from the edge, but it seems they're determined to jump.

RingoMcCartney wrote:They used to be the British working class party.

They've become the Islington dinner party.

They won over 11.3 million votes in last year's general election. That's one big Islington dinner party...