• Fracking

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:54 pm**

https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 70311.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thoughts? Are people opposed to it or favour it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:57 pm**

It destroys the natural drainage of the underlying rock structure. That can't be a good thing, can it?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 pm**

It's been going on in North Dakota for a number of years now, but they don't get the rain that Lancashire gets. If you destroy the drainage, then there's an increased risk of floods. Americans don't care. They just want the oil money.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:02 pm**

There's money to be made and that's all that matters, sadly.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:04 pm**

Check out Williston, North Dakota on YouTube. I think city by-laws say that you MUST own a pick-up truck.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:18 pm**

Would I want a fracking site in the field opposite my house. Nope.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 pm**

Billy Balfour wrote:Would I want a fracking site in the field opposite my house. Nope.

Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:28 pm**

We live on a windy, rainy island surrounded by tidal oceans.

Lets dig in the ground for our energy needs.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:29 pm**

Another short-term quick fix for the 'Now' people in our relentless efforts to bugger up planet.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:33 pm**

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

So fracking gas is the only alternative? That's basically your argument, and it's a poor one.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:39 pm**

The wind and the tidal surge can also be used for energy. Just look out your windows to the east in Burnley and you can see that. Also, no pollution.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:45 pm**

Aye but that's Labour policy and therefore completely bonkers according to those in the know on here....

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:06 pm**

The whole thing stinks. It's the people in the North who are going to have to put up with all the mess/safety risks etc to make more money for the already rich company executives and fat cats in London. Does anyone honestly believe it will bring prices down?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:16 pm**

Oil Knockin on €100 a barrel, bring on the fracking.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:16 pm**

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

It would be good not to have to rely on Arab and Russian oil and gas and be self sufficient.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:19 pm**

jrgbfc wrote:The whole thing stinks. It's the people in the North who are going to have to put up with all the mess/safety risks etc to make more money for the already rich company executives and fat cats in London. Does anyone honestly believe it will bring prices down?

I don't know about the prices but at least we won't have to rely on imports from the Middle East and god forbid Russia. Technology has moved on. It won't be like Coalville where homes developed cracks. Poor building will take care of that

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:20 pm**

Billy Balfour wrote:So fracking gas is the only alternative? That's basically your argument, and it's a poor one.

Where did I say that it was the only alternative? But it certainly is one alternative!

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:27 pm**

Frack the **** out of the entire earth and destroy us all.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:50 pm**

ClaretAndJew wrote:Frack the **** out of the entire earth and destroy us all.

Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:57 pm**

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

What other options did the put by the wayside in favour of coal?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:59 pm**

Bordeauxclaret wrote:What other options did the put by the wayside in favour of coal?

No idea. Why you asking?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:03 pm**

Curious. How big they were on the effects of burning coal hundreds of years ago I’m not sure like.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:39 pm**

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Ignorant prick.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:40 pm**

Get on public transit and cut down on your use of fossil fuels. It's the only long-term solution.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:42 pm**

Oh. I know the counter-argument to that. You might have to share a seat with KRBFC. OK. Go back to your mindless normal arguments.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:44 pm**

Some good valid points raised. Wasn't totally sure how people felt about fracking hence the OP, I can understand both sides of the argument with, not so nice if in the area but also the need for domestic renewable energy, think it will be commonplace eventually if you bung enough sweeteners.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:02 pm**

why as council tax payers are we paying for policing with a fraction of it coming from central govt when cuadrilla should make massive profits if the hype is to be believed. surely as a county we should be providing a minimum of policing and they should be getting in their own security just like football clubs have to do whether profitable or not.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:07 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote: not so nice if in the area but also the need for domestic renewable energy

Mate, it isn't renewable. You get seven or eight years from the well and that's it. Weigh that up against the cost of potential decades of contamination and ecological disruption. Christ knows customers aren't going to see the cost benefits.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:09 pm**

Wha????

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:14 pm**

Spiral wrote:Mate, it isn't renewable. You get seven or eight years from the well and that's it.

I know that, but it's 7-8 years then obviously move onto another spot I'm not expecting drilling 1 spot then happy days, it's very contentious subject & nobody will agree entirely. I wouldn't like them to pitch up & start extracting near me to be honest.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:16 pm**

Look at the effect digging for coal has had......on our two corner stands progress

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:18 pm**

https://www.vox.com/cards/fracking/what-is-fracking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If anybody unsure.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:19 pm**

I'm not sure what the answer is, but all of the people who hate Maggie Thatcher for closing down coal mines, who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:22 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote:I know that, but it's 7-8 years then obviously move onto another spot I'm not expecting drilling 1 spot then happy days, it's very contentious subject & nobody will agree entirely. I wouldn't like them to pitch up & start extracting near me to be honest.

But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:23 pm**

Damo wrote:I'm not sure what the answer is, but all of the people who hate Maggie Thatcher for closing down coal mines, who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

You deny the climate is changing? (Becoming warmer, globally?)

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:23 pm**

Spiral wrote:But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

It's renewable in the context on saving on something else.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:24 pm**

Spiral wrote:But it isn't renewable, you do know that, right?

Obviously everything has a expiry date.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 pm**

Too much money has been spent by the fracking firms for it not to go ahead.
They have permission to dig in Padiham and Burnley as well somebody said last year.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 pm**

Spiral wrote:You deny the climate is changing? (Becoming warmer, globally?)

Where did I say that?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:28 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote:It's renewable in the context on saving on something else.

I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart arse or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:30 pm**

Damo wrote:Where did I say that?

Some people don't seem to be knowledgeable about the subject that's why I provided the earlier link.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:31 pm**

Spiral wrote:I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart are or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Do you therefore agree that Thatcher closing down the coal mines was a good thing?

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:32 pm**

Damo wrote:Where did I say that?

You inferred it;

Damo wrote:but all of the people...who also bleat about global warming, should be laughed at at every oppertunity. The stupid idiots.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:34 pm**

Spiral wrote:You inferred it;

I didnt.
I just called people like you hypocritical

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm**

Spiral wrote:You inferred it;

It seems you have completely missed his point

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm**

Spiral wrote:I'm not taking the pi$$ here, Jakub, but 'renewable energy' specifically refers to energy sources that aren't depleted when used such as wind or tidal or hydroelectric. There's absolutely no context in which shale gas and oil can be considered 'renewable'. I'm not trying to be a smart are or owt, I think someone has fed you a tonne of bull$hit.

Within the context mate I'm more than informed without any baffling science, shale & gas aren't renewable but if you save yourself a fortune within that context & designate that saving towards another energy source that's a renewable energy whether attributed towards shale, gas, or tidal, windpowered. Specifying 1 element & transferring it towards another element to say different is wrong.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:38 pm**

Leisure wrote:Would you want us to run out of gas etc and have no alternative, probably no!

I'd rather we run out of natural gas than run out of habitable planets.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:39 pm**

Not that I think running out of natural gas is even remotely a problem. We have far more accessible energy that is far cleaner than we can use as a replacement.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:42 pm**

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

Coal mining began in it's earliest form about over 5,000 years ago. We only discovered that burning fossil fuels causes climate change in the late 1800s

One I've done the calculations i'll get back to you on whether you're correct or not.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:43 pm**

Leisure wrote:Probably said something similar when we started mining coal!

OK. So i've done the maths and it would appear that you are wrong.

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