What has happened to our mantra,not on show again today.

Bizarre! I was just thinking that to myself and was about to write something along those lines. I don't think we've seen maximum effort in either of the last 2 league games (or the cup game).

Meh...can`t be bothered.

We look like we don't even have a plan.
What is going on, on the training pitch as we look to have gone backwards.

It looks to have all gone stale.

Nothing even resembling football looks like even remotely wanting to be played by us.

Been replaced with minimum entertainment maximum boredom

Time for Dyche to go. These players are good players. Said it for a while that the football is being coached out of them. No freedom. Not enough trust in the players. It is visible as well that the players are just going through the motions

Do a swap with Cardiff as I reckon Colin could breathe some new life into our club round whilst Dyche would be perfect to try and bring them back up on a shoestring next season

Effort was there, not the ideas

Disagree Belquim,something’s just not right.
Is it true Mee and Tarks detest each other.

No lack of effort. We blocked loads and loads of shots today, and both JBG and Lennon could be seen making last ditch tackles when required.

What we lacked today was a positivity, quality and movement in midfield and attack down the centre of the pitch.

The players deserve better after what they've given us in recent months and years than to be accused, without real evidence, of not caring or giving their own. Personally, I think its a bit of a low blow.

paulatky wrote:What has happened to our mantra,not on show again today.

That's one thing you can't question - we got the minimum requirement because we got the maximum effort

ClaretTony wrote:That's one thing you can't question - we got the minimum requirement because we got the maximum effort

you thought maximum effort was on show today ?

Vegas Claret wrote:you thought maximum effort was on show today ?

Yes. Give me one tangible shred of evidence that there wasn't.

And if you do have any evidence, prove to me that it wasn't indicative of a player lacking confidence and conviction, rather than not being bothered.

Give the players a bit of respect. There isn't a club in the land who have been as fortunate as we have in the last 3 years with the effort, desire and bloody minded determination of their players.

Arguably, its us supporters rather than the players who have got complacent. We're forgetting the value of what we've got.

Vegas Claret wrote:you thought maximum effort was on show today ?

Yes I did. I think we were very poor in the second half but there is no way I would point a finger at any one of our players and suggest they weren't giving maximum effort.

ClaretTony wrote:Yes I did. I think we were very poor in the second half but there is no way I would point a finger at any one of our players and suggest they weren't giving maximum effort.

So the problem is with SD and our style of play ?

Aclaret wrote:So the problem is with SD and our style of play ?

Not really (although I didn't think his tactics were spot on today). The biggest problem is that one or two players aren't playing as well as they can.

There's no computer algorithm at play here, we're dealing with human beings.

And incidentally, we're 12 in the Premier League. Lets keep this in perspective.

Its a fair argument Spice but you can see why the cruticism is there. Second half lacked any real urgency at all going forward so it looks like low effort.

We seemed to step off them and let them have tbe ball in their half but their goal then meant we had to step up and we simply looked unable to.

Personally i think shifting formation woukd have helped instead of wood and vokes. That way we might hold the balll a bit better and see thr game out.

Effort and work rate not the issue.

The inability to keep the ball is, and the amount of times pretty much everyone choose the worst possible simple pass choice was alarming.

Aclaret wrote:So the problem is with SD and our style of play ?

I didn't say that, I said we gave maximum effort but we didn't play well,simple as that, we just keep giving the ball away and there lies the problem.

1 observation today was when their player was receiving treatment for the head injury, the players huddled in the middle of the park instead of around the technical area to receive instruction. I might be adding 2+2 and making 10 but it dint seem right when chasing a game.

ClaretTony wrote:Yes I did. I think we were very poor in the second half but there is no way I would point a finger at any one of our players and suggest they weren't giving maximum effort.

If I compare today to last season we where stood a good 2 yards off them in terms of application, to me we look tired. This 2 weeks off is what is required right now

Not sure about lack of effort, but there’s definitely a lack of intensity. Huddersfield looked fitter and sharper than us and in many ways their intense pressing was the main contributing factor in our inability to string three passes together.

Worrying signs, but we have a 2 week break and we know that the players and management team are good enough to turn these poor performances around. Huddersfield and Cardiff should be more worried after outplaying us without much reward.

There's no doubting the players care, and are trying their hardest, but it isn't coming off, and doesn't look like it will for a while.
It's not the manager, SD has proved his worth many times.
It's not the players, because despite the absentees, we've shown that we can play football.
It's not the tactics because we've played a similar way in all our premiership seasons.
They need to change the attitude inside their heads, they need to get on the front foot and push teams back


Our ability to turn defence into attack has died. JBG is the only player showing any sort of technical skill going forward. The rest of them look league one standard.
Lennon showed against Bournemouth that he can still deliver at the right end of the pitch. He flogs his ******** off defensively, but attacks as flat as a fart. Cork and Westwood offer no out to the backline, and no supply for the front men.
The whole team, JBG apart, move the ball too slowly , fail to find space to give the man on the ball an easy out, take far too many touches to get the ball under control, insist on playing the ball forward straight to the man, instead of into the channels. Said man then tries to turn his marker and inevitably loses the ball, again and again and again...........
It's so easy to watch the game from the stands and see why we are so poor, what we are doing wrong. Why can't they sit down on a Monday morning and analyse the games, show them why their choices are wrong, why their movement off the ball is so wrong, why their poor passing is playing into the hands of the opposition


I've always tried to judge us on performance. Even if we get beat, you know inside keep playing like that and we'll be alright.
If we keep playing like the last 2 matches we'll be going down, and deserve to.

Devils_Advocate wrote:Do a swap with Cardiff as I reckon Colin could breathe some new life into our club round whilst Dyche would be perfect to try and bring them back up on a shoestring next season

Amongst all the tripe posted on here, surely that's a joke? You want Warnock at our club? You want a total kn0bjockey like Warnock at our club ahead of Dyche? You want a no class of a manager like Colin at our club?

Phew, at least you were joking

Certainly no lack of effort today, that’s just plain wrong.
What was lacking were options when we did manage to retain or gain possession, which in turn lead to poor decision making when passing. Our framework is to rigid and restrictive.
Why play two centre forwards and have Lennon and JBG constantly playing in defence, unable to provide any kind of service?
Bewildering.

claretspice wrote:Yes. Give me one tangible shred of evidence that there wasn't.

And if you do have any evidence, prove to me that it wasn't indicative of a player lacking confidence and conviction, rather than not being bothered.

Give the players a bit of respect. There isn't a club in the land who have been as fortunate as we have in the last 3 years with the effort, desire and bloody minded determination of their players.

Arguably, its us supporters rather than the players who have got complacent. We're forgetting the value of what we've got.

I don't need to give you evidence, you've just given it yourself

ClaretAL wrote:1 observation today was when their player was receiving treatment for the head injury, the players huddled in the middle of the park instead of around the technical area to receive instruction. I might be adding 2+2 and making 10 but it dint seem right when chasing a game.

Poor reffing i thought with that one. With any sort of head injury don't they have to stop the the game immediately, play went on for minutes.
And then the bugger came back on after 5 minutes nearly unconscious with half a dozen doctors and first aid around him.

Goodclaret wrote:Amongst all the tripe posted on here, surely that's a joke? You want Warnock at our club? You want a total kn0bjockey like Warnock at our club ahead of Dyche? You want a no class of a manager like Colin at our club?

Phew, at least you were joking

Yes it was indeed tongue in cheek and after the dross served up this aft I might as well use the situation to give me some amusement at least

Give maximum effort - get to Europe - play Bardsley ahead of Lowton - play Walters ahead of JBG ... and others.

This can’t be good to the mentality of players - maximum effort should be rewarded and as a footballer who gives their all to get into the bigger matches and competitions .... a rest isn’t a reward.

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Time for Dyche to go. These players are good players. Said it for a while that the football is being coached out of them. No freedom. Not enough trust in the players. It is visible as well that the players are just going through the motions

I would never question their effort just there ability.
The players we have would struggle to get a game in the majority of sides in this league, bar Tarks and Hart after witnessing this seasons performances

32% posession at home to the 2nd favourites for relegation and some on here are saying thats ok , well we are sliding towards relegation without a fight.
Ben Mee,Corky ,Barnsey are a shadow of tbeir former selves. Mee nearly gave a goal away after 16 minutes dilly dallying on the edge of tbe area.
Is his feud with Tarky still effecting the team.