On question time tomorrow alongside Dianne Abbott. Now that should be compelling vieiwing!!!

That the guy who only eats beef and salt water?

Spiral wrote:That the guy who only eats beef and salt water?

Talks a LOT of sense though. If people actually LISTENED to what he says, instead of labelling him an alt-right bigot for no reason, we all might learn something. I`d LOVE to watch that.

Verbosity doesn't substitute for credibility and education doesn't substitute for intellect. Like most entertaining bull$hit artists it's worth using their dumbest ideas as the gauge for the rest of their ideas which is why I mentioned the diet he advocates (which in this case is a massive screaming red flag). I mean, God bless him and his decrepit colon an' all that but there are far more fun ways of eating yourself into an early grave. Look, I can understand how folk'd be taken in by the pseudo-science and the pop-psychology but for Christ sake, when a person uses a layman's understanding of zoology and repackages discredited social Darwinism in attempts to give weight to his ideas on societal structures you'd be doing yourself and your relationship with reality a massive favour by taking a step back and perhaps questioning his ideas a little bit more thoroughly. If you want Nietzschean existentialism then read Nietzche for ****s sake, not a self-help author's cherry-picked bastardisation of existentialism.

Wahey! Look! Not a single buzz-word!

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Talks a LOT of sense though. If people actually LISTENED to what he says, instead of labelling him an alt-right bigot for no reason, we all might learn something. I`d LOVE to watch that.

Labelling people with no evidence or reason is the trump card of the left.

It's true. We don't label you based on what you say and do. We literally have a random number generator spit out a name and that's how we decide to call people "alt-right bigots".

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Labelling people with no evidence or reason is the trump card of the left.

Your statement provides plenty of clear evidence and solid reason that you are both idle and stupid in your thinking............

evensteadiereddie wrote:Your statement provides plenty of clear evidence and solid reason that you are both idle and stupid in your thinking............

Care to explain how?

Explain to me why Jordan Peterson is a right wing fascist or a bigot and if you can't, then you will have to concede the left smear him without evidence or reason.

Spiral wrote:Verbosity doesn't substitute for credibility and education doesn't substitute for intellect. Like most entertaining bull$hit artists it's worth using their dumbest ideas as the gauge for the rest of their ideas which is why I mentioned the diet he advocates (which in this case is a massive screaming red flag). I mean, God bless him and his decrepit colon an' all that but there are far more fun ways of eating yourself into an early grave. Look, I can understand how folk'd be taken in by the pseudo-science and the pop-psychology but for Christ sake, when a person uses a layman's understanding of zoology and repackages discredited social Darwinism in attempts to give weight to his ideas on societal structures you'd be doing yourself and your relationship with reality a massive favour by taking a step back and perhaps questioning his ideas a little bit more thoroughly. If you want Nietzschean existentialism then read Nietzche for ****s sake, not a self-help author's cherry-picked bastardisation of existentialism.

Wahey! Look! Not a single buzz-word!

He doesnt advocate the diet. In fact he actually says he wouldnt recommend it to anyone. BUT his daughter, who suffered all of her life with severe arthritis started following the diet and all of her pain went away. He tried it and it helped with some of his problems. Maybe its even placebo bit if it works for them fair play.

As it happens though he insists that nobody should follow the diet just because it worked for him and reiterates hes no dietician.

I wouldn't know whether the guy is a right wing fascist or a bigot nor do I care but I would suggest that your labelling of "the left" - what, all of them ? - smearing people without evidence or reason is doing exactly what you claim to detest. Quite ironic, really.

evensteadiereddie wrote:Your statement provides plenty of clear evidence and solid reason that you are both idle and stupid in your thinking............

Probably reads the Daily Mail too!

Taffy on the wing wrote:Probably reads the Daily Mail too!

Good one, original.

Well, he got about 5 minutes out of 60 speaking there. BBC did a great job of giving his strongest topic about 2 minutes time too.

The way they described the count dankula case was comically misrepresented.

And everyone in the audience (99%) probably had no idea about the video clapped at it being a hate crime and police intervention of offensive speech.

As Peterson said, we chose this path and we will pay for it.

Taffy on the wing wrote:Probably reads the Daily Mail too!

Wasn’t good old moff was on here calling The Daily Mail left wing the other week?

I'm not sure how you can tell someone that QT is a live show and tries to deal with about six questions, which means that people are lucky if they get two minutes on anything.

I mean, its really obvious, and you'd have to be the sort of person who refuses to believe things even if their eyes and ears tell them its true...........oh

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure how you can tell someone that QT is a live show and tries to deal with about six questions, which means that people are lucky if they get two minutes on anything.

I mean, its really obvious, and you'd have to be the sort of person who refuses to believe things even if their eyes and ears tell them its true...........oh

This irish woman got 25minutes speak time

Really?

25 minutes out of sixty?

I guess that there would be more time on stuff that Prof Peterson isn't as well qualified in (Brexit etc) but that does sound a lot.

I`d say he got a fair crack of the whip - would have been nice to have heard his opinions beefed out a little bit more but his contributions were, as always, incredibly erudite.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure how you can tell someone that QT is a live show and tries to deal with about six questions, which means that people are lucky if they get two minutes on anything.

I mean, its really obvious, and you'd have to be the sort of person who refuses to believe things even if their eyes and ears tell them its true...........oh

Question Time isn't live it's pre-recorded earlier in the evening,it resembles PMQ'S lots of soundbites and barbs but little sensible debate.

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I`d say he got a fair crack of the whip - would have been nice to have heard his opinions beefed out a little bit more but his contributions were, as always, incredibly erudite.

Thought he came across well myself too.

I do not know much about his cranky diet, nor do I care, and I am probably not best qualified to judge what people call the pseudo science. It might well be a load of ********.

I do find it quite odd though how much stick he gets and how some of his actual opinions seem to be wilfully misrepresented by some. The reaction seems disproportionate. At least his opinions on freedom of speech and the dangers of enforcing political correctness seem to me at least to be sensible warnings for maintaining a free and liberal society.

tiger76 wrote:Question Time isn't live it's pre-recorded earlier in the evening,it resembles PMQ'S lots of soundbites and barbs but little sensible debate.

its recorded 'as-live' in one take, they start recording it about 5 mins before broadcast just in case they need to edit anything libelous out.

which means the likes of that dalek last night get airtime.

walter the softy wrote:Thought he came across well myself too.

I do not know much about his cranky diet, nor do I care, and I am probably not best qualified to judge what people call the pseudo science. It might well be a load of ********.

I do find it quite odd though how much stick he gets and how some of his actual opinions seem to be wilfully misrepresented by some. The reaction seems disproportionate. At least his opinions on freedom of speech and the dangers of enforcing political correctness seem to me at least to be sensible warnings for maintaining a free and liberal society.

Many on the so called liberal, "progressive" left claim to love diversity. They detest diversity of opinion.....

RingoMcCartney wrote:Many on the so called liberal, "progressive" left claim to love diversity. They detest diversity of opinion.....

As it goes, I do not agree with most of what you post on here and would probably fit your idea of a liberal lefty or whatever but I respect your right to your opinion and I would hope most others would too regardless of their political persuasion.

walter the softy wrote:As it goes, I do not agree with most of what you post on here and would probably fit your idea of a liberal lefty or whatever but I respect your right to your opinion and I would hope most others would too regardless of their political persuasion.

Fair do's

quoonbeatz wrote:which means the likes of that dalek last night get airtime.

A dalek is a genetically modified creature which cannot survive outside of its metallic dalekanium shell/mark 3 travel machine.

The fact that the contributor used the word exterminate does not automatically mean he is a ‘dalek’.

Granted, he may be a follower of Davros or part of the Kaled secret service but everybody in the Seven Galaxies can see he isn’t a fully converted dalek.

He didn’t even have a plunger ffs

Non-plunger Daleks have rights too ffs

A reddit thread popped up after QT aired; the comment thread linked below discusses (admittedly, not entirely impartially, but more thoroughly than resorting to trite labels to describe him and his ideas) why Peterson gets so much $hit, if anyone is curious.

https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/ ... e/e9ck6l6/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For what it's worth I think he's a very, very amiable person and I don't think he has a hateful bone in his body, but it's a shame he holds the dumb views he does and trades on the insecurities of, mainly, angry young blokes struggling to find meaning and purpose in life.

I'd like to see QT run for an hour and a half if not two hours.
I find it very entertaining although biased.
The dalek was exactly correct but muffed it with the exterminate bit.

With his choice of words he also insinuated that violence and criminality is inherent in black folk (it isn't - demonstrably), and did the old Nazi trick of arguing that the very same subset of people aren't in fact Human. (Cancer, in this case). The part where he 'muffed it' is intrinsically linked to his mind's conception of a 'black man' and his views on punishment. You won't find me throwing the word around casually, but that's racism in every sense of the word. We're two days from armistice day. Remember where we've been, where we've come from, that just two generations ago folk died to push back a would-be conqueror whose policies and ideology was articulated in such terms, and, more worryingly, whose legitimacy came from the democratic process.

Spiral wrote:With his choice of words he also insinuated that violence and criminality is inherent in black folk (it isn't - demonstrably), and did the old Nazi trick of arguing that the very same subset of people aren't in fact Human. (Cancer, in this case). The part where he 'muffed it' is intrinsically linked to his mind's conception of a 'black man' and his views on punishment. You won't find me throwing the word around casually, but that's racism in every sense of the word. We're two days from armistice day. Remember where we've been, where we've come from, that just two generations ago folk died to push back a would-be conqueror whose policies and ideology was articulated in such terms, and, more worryingly, whose legitimacy came from the democratic process.

I didn't get that impression at all. Why is it you leftists automatically think of black people when people say these types of things. Is your opinion of them so low?

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I didn't get that impression at all. Why is it you leftists automatically think of black people when people say these types of things. Is your opinion of them so low?

The statistics show that knife crime is predominantly committed by people belonging to minority demographics; you know this, I know this, everyone knows this, and more to the point - it isn't unreasonable to assume considering his opinions of the subject - dalek also knows this, which is why he used the most loaded word possible when putting across his point. Don't feign ignorance to justify ignorance.