Just in case the UK ports become blocked after Brexit....I’m preparing to fill the cellars with Red Wine (anything but French and Italian) and dark chocolate.

What do you fear running out of?

Patience

Money....

Just what we need... the media, forums and the rest talking about stockpiling.
There’s enough of that goes on when we have a two day ‘shop shutdown’ at Christmas.

- lots of it ends up in the bin.

Romanian people with three names.

Their second name is actually their first name you know.

Strikers (Neil Warnock c.2000-2006)

Beans very versatile ingredient

Dry powder and Twix.

hampsteadclaret wrote:Just what we need... the media, forums and the rest talking about stockpiling.
There’s enough of that goes on when we have a two day ‘shop shutdown’ at Christmas.

- lots of it ends up in the bin.

Two day shutdown at Christmas? If only it was two

"Told you" signs

Ale, there'll be a shortage after Ringo the Wrong Un starts drowning his sorrows......................

There won’t to be any port blockages.

Why would we need to stockpile anything at all? Weren't we repeatedly told that Brexit would make us great again and allow us to trade easily with all these other countries that are desperate to almost give away stuff to us?

Sadly, the reality is that the only point I have heard anybody make in favour of Brexit for the past 2 years is that people more voted for it than voted against it - hardly a vision for a bright future is it?

hampsteadclaret wrote:Just what we need... the media, forums and the rest talking about stockpiling.
There’s enough of that goes on when we have a two day ‘shop shutdown’ at Christmas.

- lots of it ends up in the bin.

Two days?

Get back up here pal, shops don’t shut for two minutes let alone two days.

We will trade with all the European countries like all the other non European countries in the world do.

And if they start to dick us about, I’d like to think we will reciprocate. Can’t imagine companies like BMW, AUDI, Mercedes, Citroen, Renault, Seat, Siemens (insert name of massive euro company with massive uk sales here) will be happy struggling to export here. We need visas, they need visas. We need driving quals, they need quals. We pay tariffs, they pay tariffs. Etc. Etc. Etc.

See! Not so one sided after all.

Sorted.

Pot noodle.

Anyone who doesn't think there will be hold up at ports knows **** all about it.

Sorry guys and all that, but you can't change the whole fundamentals of how we trade with European countries overnight and expect no problems.

Lancasterclaret wrote:Anyone who doesn't think there will be hold up at ports knows **** all about it.

Sorry guys and all that, but you can't change the whole fundamentals of how we trade with European countries overnight and expect no problems.

So everything's delayed for a day. Just order it to come a day earlier.
No big deal is it?

ElectroClaret wrote:Pot noodle.

White Lightning

Smugness.

Doesn't work like that Quick

There is a reason the Port of Dover took out adverts warning about a No Deal during the Conservative Party conference, and it wasn't because they are all secret remoaner libtards.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Smugness.

Once you've learned the offside rule. But you can build a PC, so we can do a deal.

Lancasterclaret wrote:Doesn't work like that Quick

There is a reason the Port of Dover took out adverts warning about a No Deal during the Conservative Party conference, and it wasn't because they are all secret remoaner libtards.

The idea after Brexit is the UK start making nearly everything we need so the ports won't be as busy.

I know the politicians won't make it so simple though.

nothing panic over

Prospective Bulgarian wives. Just in case.

Overnight?

I mean, I don't even know if that is possible, or even how long that would take.

You'd need some sort of major government planning, incentives and investment to even get that started and you'd still need export markets.

Is that really the idea?

Bosscat wrote:White Lightning

We can organise our own quiz. But you'd need to be able to see into the future to answer correctly.

Creative solutions to enterprise UK.

Under the new rules it will be as hard to get stuff from the EU as it is from the rest of the world. So it will now be as hard to get pineapples from spain as it is to get them from the Canary Islands. We should be worried.

The tears of remainers, won't need to ever buy salt again.

dsr wrote:Under the new rules it will be as hard to get stuff from the EU as it is from the rest of the world. So it will now be as hard to get pineapples from spain as it is to get them from the Canary Islands. We should be worried.

Aren't the Canary Islands part of Spain

Do gammon really need more salt?

Bosscat wrote:Aren't the Canary Islands part of Spain

Yes, but not part of the EU.

Why the rolling eyes?

Quickenthetempo wrote:The idea after Brexit is the UK start making nearly everything we need so the ports won't be as busy.

I know the politicians won't make it so simple though.

There's only a certain point up to which you can blame politicians for Brexit. Folk voted for this. Agriculturally, the UK isn't self-sustainable. There isn't enough arable land to feed a population of 66m for a sustained period of time without malnutrition, so the reality is that we're reliant on food imports. That's not an opinion, it's a stone cold fact. The slightest disruption to supply chains has tangible knock on effects. Any chaos can obviously be resolved by 11th hour (and beyond) diplomatic scrambling, but by so casually and wilfully putting ourselves into a situation whereby our supply chains are, in effect, under the same kind of stress brought upon by wartime siege tactics (read, battle of the Atlantic), you'd need to be a special kind of optimist to believe such conditions would represent an advantageous position from which to bargain.

Brexiteers, don't blame anyone but yourself when the Tailcoat Taliban you empower ruin this country. No deal* will be more damaging than Suez.

*'No deal' in the current phase of negotiations is a misnomer. 'No deal', in fact, means no legal framework for political and economic disentanglement, and no framework for future cooperation.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Smugness.

There's no shortage of that, IT.

dsr wrote:Yes, but not part of the EU.

Why the rolling eyes?

as a part of Spain, The Canary Islands are very firmly within the EU and its currency is the Euro. However, the island has VAT free status which means it falls outside of EU Customs allowances

Slightly O/T

I know Reunion in the Indian Ocean is considered part of Metropolitan France.

So is that similar Bosscat (only ask cos I've been there and I can't remember if its VAT free or not)

Spiral wrote:There's only a certain point up to which you can blame politicians for Brexit. Folk voted for this. Agriculturally, the UK isn't self-sustainable. There isn't enough arable land to feed a population of 66m for a sustained period of time without malnutrition, so the reality is that we're reliant on food imports. That's not an opinion, it's a stone cold fact. The slightest disruption to supply chains has tangible knock on effects. Any chaos can obviously be resolved by 11th hour (and beyond) diplomatic scrambling, but by so casually and wilfully putting ourselves into a situation whereby our supply chains are, in effect, under the same kind of stress brought upon by wartime siege tactics (read, battle of the Atlantic), you'd need to be a special kind of optimist to believe such conditions would represent an advantageous position from which to bargain.

Brexiteers, don't blame anyone but yourself when the Tailcoat Taliban you empower ruin this country. No-deal will be more damaging than Suez.

Hi Spiral, won't the NHS save a fortune if we are all on "food shortage rations?" Think of all the obesity that will be cured.

And, today's Times reports on food grown in warehouses under led lights. No soil required. 17 racks high. 5 harvests per year. They can install them next to supermarkets so that the food is extra fresh.

I reckon there will be a fortune to be made out of exercise bikes - connect them to generators and people will be able to generate their own electricity and charge up their mobile phones.


And, how about stockpiling shovels - for shovelling coal when all the coal mines are re-opened as we won't have enough gas without importing from Europe. (For goodness sake, get those gas frackers going now).

Paul Waine wrote:Hi Spiral, won't the NHS save a fortune if we are all on "food shortage rations?" Think of all the obesity that will be cured.

This is a joke, yes?

Spiral wrote:This is a joke, yes?

Yes. Isn't this whole thread a joke?

Paul Waine wrote:I reckon there will be a fortune to be made out of exercise bikes - connect them to generators and people will be able to generate their own electricity and charge up their mobile phones.

Ah, okay, it's a joke, I see. Black Mirror, season 1, episode 2, Fifteen Million Merits.

A large chunk of the UK population could do with a bit hardship rather than the instant gratification it has become used to. It might make us appreciate things a bit more. You can’t have it until we can afford it or have got it never did me any harm.

Lancasterclaret wrote:Slightly O/T

I know Reunion in the Indian Ocean is considered part of Metropolitan France.

So is that similar Bosscat (only ask cos I've been there and I can't remember if its VAT free or not)

Having been to The Azores they also use the Euro and are an autonomous part of Portugal...

Read this

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Spiral wrote:Ah, okay, it's a joke, I see. Black Mirror, season 1, episode 2, Fifteen Million Merits.

The bit about growing crops in warehouses, as reported in Times today, is true, btw.

Futuristic farming finally grows up

Robots will begin the first harvest at the world’s most technically advanced farm under thousands of powerful LED lights this month.
Crops in the indoor “vertical farm” are growing in trays stacked on 17 levels in columns that reach almost to the ceiling of the 12-metre (40ft) tall building.
The experts behind the farm hope to expand to towns and cities across the country. By opening next to supermarkets the farms could ensure freshness and significantly reduce transport costs, they say.
Their first commercial venture has opened inside a converted cold store in Scunthorpe. Inside it looks more like a pharmaceutical laboratory than the traditional farms in the surrounding Lincolnshire fields.
The “high care” farm is obsessive about cleanliness to reduce the “microbiological loading” of organisms that could contaminate its produce.
Paul Challinor, chief technology officer and co-founder of the Jones Farms Group, said: “Unlike a field we can control everything that affects the plants. We can monitor the air quality, the light, the fertiliser levels. There is no winter, we grow all year round.”
Crops are grown using hydroponics — just water and fertilizer — so there is no messy soil. Seeds are treated with ultraviolet light to reduce the microbes on the surface.
Air passes through medical filters and is heated or cooled to the perfect temperature for growing before entering the farm unit. The atmosphere is kept at a higher pressure than outside to prevent insects sneaking in.
Robots and conveyor belts move the growing trays between each stage from planting to germination, growing and harvesting. The crops can be grown and harvested without any human physical involvement, reducing both costs and the chance of contamination. Staff who monitor the farm have to pass through “air showers” to remove any particles on their clothing before entering and wear all-in-one protective suits.
The first harvest, due to be picked on November 26, is of herbs including basil and coriander but in future it will also grow salad leaves and the high-value plants needed by pharmaceutical and cosmetic companies. The owners say they will be able to grow five crops a year, throughout the year. They aim to grow 420 tonnes of produce in the first year and hope to have opened a further two vertical farms within five years.
Although high-care farms are more common in America and Japan, the owners of the Scunthorpe operation believe it is the most advanced in the world, using the best of the latest technologies. The unit contains 7.6 miles of LED lights, mostly red and blue as they are the best colours for growing plants but some white to allow the four staff to monitor the farm. The lights are on for 16 hours a day.
“You may be able to get three crops a year outside but in this process we can get something every five weeks or even each month . . . and there is a continuity of supply throughout the year,” Dr Challinor said.
“We have already looked at other sites in the Midlands and the south and hope to be running a number of units. We have taken the very latest research and have taken it to a commercial scale and proved the concepts work. We believe this is the largest high-care farming facility in the world and really puts Britain on the map. It is really exciting and we are taking British horticulture to another level and we are trying to use as much British equipment as we can find.”
Similar projects are opening across the world and Intelligent Growth Solutions, based at the James Hutton Institute in Perthshire, opened a vertical farming demonstration facility in August to develop new products that it hopes will be sold internationally.
While some environmentalists criticise the indoor facilities because of the energy used for lighting, supporters claim new bulb technology is bringing down energy use and the farms use significantly less water and fertilisers than traditional farms.
The Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, a statutory levy board funded by British farmers and growers, last year described developments in LED lighting as a “seismic shift that is set to change fundamentally how we grow plants”.
It said the wavelength, pulse duration and spectral output of light can be manipulated to modify the structural and chemical characteristics of plants, with each species requiring its own unique light “recipe”.

RocketLawnChair wrote:A large chunk of the UK population could do with a bit hardship rather than the instant gratification it has become used to. It might make us appreciate things a bit more. You can’t have it until we can afford it or have got it never did me any harm.

Yeah, okay, mate. Apply that last sentence to food.

Nice of you to tell folk with kids and a mortgage that they ought to endure hardship. **** know why, but here we are. Here I am thinking that as a country we should be striving for prosperity.

Have you brexiteers ever contemplated the idea that you might be a part of a suicide cult?

That's futurology, Paul Waine. Futurology can be embraced by anyone, and at any time, and isn't dependent upon us leaving the EU, so I'm not sure what your point is other than our best post-Brexit hopes relying on embryonic technology being able to reach economies of scale quick enough that people don't starve to death.

Paul Waine wrote:There's no shortage of that, IT.

I intend to crash that particular market.

Paul Waine wrote:Yes. Isn't this whole thread a joke?

You have to let some catch up.

FactualFrank wrote:You have to let some catch up.

He's quite literally the dullest and most boring contributor to this messageboard, and I'm probably not alone in thinking that. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in clarifying whether or not a person who has never once told a joke on here is, in fact, telling a joke.