premier league...football-related arrests made in 2017/18 season per club

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Just a thought but do different forces have different arrest criteria? Are some forces more or less tolerant than others in the same way that some forces investigate crime more diligently than others. For instance an arrestable offence in say Manchester may be seen as less arrestable in for instance Liverpool. Would this explain the differences in arrests? Of course we know that some fans are worse than others but could this be a factor?

If it was the case then some fans would appear to be worse than others when in fact they may not be. I don't have any idea about this it just came up as a question when I read the article.

I didn't realise how low these were nowadays, 21 over a season is pretty good.

Although of course that number will rise once Lancs constabulary get over to Germany and round up those Hannover hooligans. Probably any day now.

Is that photo in the Crickfield stand? Can't be many other stands with wooden seats.

Leisure wrote:Is that photo in the Crickfield stand? Can't be many other stands with wooden seats.

Its a rather old picture the seats were painted Claret (and Blue) a few years ago......

21 does seem low. I wonder what the equivalent stats were for say, England cricket matches, or rugby union, or pretty much any town centre pub? Just goes to show how, even though we are treated with contempt, the overwhelming majority of football fans are well behaved.

houseboy wrote:Just a thought but do different forces have different arrest criteria? Are some forces more or less tolerant than others in the same way that some forces investigate crime more diligently than others. For instance an arrestable offence in say Manchester may be seen as less arrestable in for instance Liverpool. Would this explain the differences in arrests? Of course we know that some fans are worse than others but could this be a factor?

If it was the case then some fans would appear to be worse than others when in fact they may not be. I don't have any idea about this it just came up as a question when I read the article.

A Met officer may decide to arrest, but a Lancs Police officer may decide to go down the route of a caution+3 interview and postal charge.

To arrest someone, there needs to be a reason under Code G of Pace, and it’s up to the individual arresting officer to justify the need to arrest that person. Generally, if you can confirm who that person is, and you are satisfied there’ll be no further offences, then that person can be dealt with at a later date.

The outcome should still be the same.

Edit- what would need to be considered is where that person lives, and where the offence takes place. For example, if it is a Burnley fan at a London game, who lives in Burnley, then it would be problematic to arrange a caution plus 3 interview at a later date, because of the distance involved. Therefore, the officer may decide to arrest, under ‘prompt and effective investigation’, which is a reason for arrest under Code G.

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houseboy wrote:Just a thought but do different forces have different arrest criteria? Are some forces more or less tolerant than others in the same way that some forces investigate crime more diligently than others. For instance an arrestable offence in say Manchester may be seen as less arrestable in for instance Liverpool. Would this explain the differences in arrests? Of course we know that some fans are worse than others but could this be a factor?

If it was the case then some fans would appear to be worse than others when in fact they may not be. I don't have any idea about this it just came up as a question when I read the article.

I would say that the Burnley police have a heavier handed approach to policing than any other. They treat everyone as guilty first and investigate later. And we probably have the highest proportion of civil bans than any other club. Probably more in total not just averaged out.

There was a huge budget and focus on this over pretty much any other crime or any other club.


Burnley / Lancs police, especially when it comes to football treat everyone as guilty. And treat their 'own' differently. Look at how we have to travel to Ewood Park as one example. Look at Hannover for the second.

Of course in some cases warranted. But I think that the police have as much to answer for as anything for trouble at Burnley games. I suspect there is a vast majority of people, from all backgrounds who have very few positives to say about them.

Part and parcel of being a poor, small town with a big club I guess.

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cricketfieldclarets wrote:I would say that the Burnley police have a heavier handed approach to policing than any other. They treat everyone as guilty first and investigate later. And we probably have the highest proportion of civil bans than any other club. Probably more in total not just averaged out.

There was a huge budget and focus on this over pretty much any other crime or any other club.


Burnley / Lancs police, especially when it comes to football treat everyone as guilty. And treat their 'own' differently. Look at how we have to travel to Ewood Park as one example. Look at Hannover for the second.

Of course in some cases warranted. But I think that the police have as much to answer for as anything for trouble at Burnley games. I suspect there is a vast majority of people, from all backgrounds who have very few positives to say about them.

Part and parcel of being a poor, small town with a big club I guess.

I've been to almost every home game for nearly 50 years, and have never had a problem with the police at Burnley, perhaps it's where you sit, or behave outside the ground that forms opinions. As for the vast majority having bad things to say about them, I know around 15 people who go regularly and all have the same experience as myself, so doubt the vast majority agree with your views.

Grumps wrote:I've been to almost every home game for nearly 50 years, and have never had a problem with the police at Burnley, perhaps it's where you sit, or behave outside the ground that forms opinions. As for the vast majority having bad things to say about them, I know around 15 people who go regularly and all have the same experience as myself, so doubt the vast majority agree with your views.

I agree with his views.

The police have been heavy handed for years. Looking for their next banning order.

You dont sit in the bob lord by any chance?

Maybe it's where you approach the ground from more than where you sit. We've always walked down from the Tod Road side and never had a problem with them. I guess any bother and therefore the more trigger happy policing goes on towards town.

Their inability to handle the derby game is still pretty embarrassing though.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I would say that the Burnley police have a heavier handed approach to policing than any other.

Throughout the 70s police at away matches always waded into away fans, Burnley police always got stuck into the home fans. This includes Mrs Broke, a more peaceable soul you couldn’t find, being assaulted by a Burnley ******* cop, whilst walking away from an incident. This stopped her from ever attending a football match again.

I think it's irrelevant where you sit or which direction you approach from, if you act like a complete tool, you probably deserve to be treated like one.

Some of the behaviour on the buses to Ewood since the scheme was introduced is nothing short of embarrassing. Grown men, and women, banging on windows, shouting and swearing like deranged imbeciles. Some are supposed to be parents and have their kids with them.

I had to pull somebody at the Bournemouth game for shouting out 'Dirty Black *******', had he not have apologised straight away I may have taken it further.

The vast majority of Football fans, home and away are great but there is a minority at all clubs who will never conform to normal society values.

JohnMac wrote:The vast majority of Football fans, home and away are great but there is a minority at all clubs who will never conform to normal society values.

That's true for society as a whole, or other sports like rugby (see the link I posted above).

Football seems to be the only sport though that's policed on the basis of guilty until proven innocent. Going to other sports is a totally different policing and stewarding experience.

Grumps wrote:I've been to almost every home game for nearly 50 years, and have never had a problem with the police at Burnley, perhaps it's where you sit, or behave outside the ground that forms opinions. As for the vast majority having bad things to say about them, I know around 15 people who go regularly and all have the same experience as myself, so doubt the vast majority agree with your views.

As I say. Isnt everyone. But there will be a lot of people who do agree. And not all your stereotypical person to be of that mind.

Always find them totally different at other grounds. Especially in London and as was the case at Aberdeen. Its a sign of how bad ours are at times when people have to comment on when other forces do a good job. As per Aberdeen.


If anyone thinks its acceptable how they treat us (and how the club accept it) for the E Lancs derby I would be very surprised.

aggi wrote:That's true for society as a whole, or other sports like rugby (see the link I posted above).

Football seems to be the only sport though that's policed on the basis of guilty until proven innocent. Going to other sports is a totally different policing and stewarding experience.

100% agree. And therein lies one of the reasons why fans are different at rugby. They havent been antagonised or provoked before they have even got to the ground.

People mention fully grown men above. But fully grown men arent trusted to travel 12 miles on their own accord. No wonder some act a bit daft...

The worse scenario was when my brother in Law, a rovers fan came to a game with us. He lived in Kent but stayed at mine the night before the game (10 mins walk from the ground). Luckily we were in the box that day. But had we not been he would have had to leave my house 6 hours before the game, travel to Blackburn (even though he didnt live there) board a bus to come back to within 0.5 miles of where he stayed the night before the game. Then post match make the same journey back to blackburn to then have to come back to Turf Moor. Its actually laughable.

piston broke wrote:Throughout the 70s police at away matches always waded into away fans, Burnley police always got stuck into the home fans. This includes Mrs Broke, a more peaceable soul you couldn’t find, being assaulted by a Burnley ******* cop, whilst walking away from an incident. This stopped her from ever attending a football match again.

Heard similar from plenty of people from down the years.

In my time Hannover was an example. Blackburn in The Prem season another. Plenty of others.

Snowflakes moaning about perceived police brutality. Bless.

bedfords wrote:Snowflakes moaning about perceived police brutality. Bless.

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Some of the behaviour on the buses to Ewood since the scheme was introduced is nothing short of embarrassing. Grown men, and women, banging on windows, shouting and swearing like deranged imbeciles. Some are supposed to be parents and have their kids with them.

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That’s my favourite bit

Garnerssoap wrote:That’s my favourite bit

Grumps wrote:I've been to almost every home game for nearly 50 years, and have never had a problem with the police at Burnley, perhaps it's where you sit, or behave outside the ground that forms opinions. As for the vast majority having bad things to say about them, I know around 15 people who go regularly and all have the same experience as myself, so doubt the vast majority agree with your views.

I've also been on the same fifty year journey.you may not have had trouble with the police.....but many have.Ive seen lots of violence used by the Burnley Police over the years aimed more often than not at their own....plus GM police not forgetting Yorkshires finest at Scarborough.putting the Boot in Literally. tbf to the Met.they police in a more acceptable manner and aren't all billy big bollo.x.

Scarborough police got battered

tim_noone wrote:I've also been on the same fifty year journey.you may not have had trouble with the police.....but many have.Ive seen lots of violence used by the Burnley Police over the years aimed more often than not at their own....plus GM police not forgetting Yorkshires finest at Scarborough.putting the Boot in Literally. tbf to the Met.they police in a more acceptable manner and aren't all billy big bollo.x.

The original post was about police at Burnley, so your views on gmp, Yorkshire etc are irrelevant to this discussion.... I've seen problems with the police at other grounds, but my views are based on what I've seen at burnley

Grumps wrote:The original post was about police at Burnley, so your views on gmp, Yorkshire etc are irrelevant to this discussion.... I've seen problems with the police at other grounds, but my views are based on what I've seen at burnley

Well they arent. Because its a comparison.

come on then

The famous Suicide.

Grumps wrote:The original post was about police at Burnley, so your views on gmp, Yorkshire etc are irrelevant to this discussion.... I've seen problems with the police at other grounds, but my views are based on what I've seen at burnley

Well on that Basis the one stand out act of violence in recent years at turf moor was The Blackburn game its there for all to see.

tim_noone wrote:Well on that Basis the one stand out act of violence in recent years at turf moor was The Blackburn game its there for all to see.

Was it not after the final whistle? I'd left the ground I know that, so I cannot comment on something I didn't see. I know every game I see young kids over the moon when they are allowed to stroke the horses and the riders talking to the youngsters leaving a lasting impression.

Grumps wrote:Was it not after the final whistle? I'd left the ground I know that, so I cannot comment on something I didn't see. I know every game I see young kids over the moon when they are allowed to stroke the horses and the riders talking to the youngsters leaving a lasting impression.

were obviously on the opposite side of the street.I saw one sadist on a horse attacking old and young alike outside the 110 club a few years back at a night game he was a regular at turf moor.uncalled for violence.