Only seen it on t.v. It wasn't good but not sure it was deserving of a red,although I can understand why Dean gave it. Will the club appeal it do you think? How did Shelvey get away with a yellow at Newcastle. No consistency.

Agreed that it was probably a yellow, but I’ll be amazed if the club manage to get it overturned.

Tackles like that are dubious reds but you can see why Dean sent him off, Brady gave him a decision to make.

No chance it gets overturned, particularly when SD said it was a deserved red and that we will now miss Brady for three games. Not sure how we can say that publically but then appeal it.

Yep, SD said the ref had "no choice" but to dismiss Brady, so I doubt
we'll contest it.

At least we'll get one of his suspended games out of the way against Barnsley.
Maybe two if it goes to a replay.

Oh I hadn't heard that SD had made those comments. You never know he might have another look and decide on reflection it was only a yellow.

It was a red card.

It had happened against us I think 99% of our fans would say it was a red.

Very silly from Brady considering the amount of time he's already missed.

beddie wrote:Only seen it on t.v. It wasn't good but not sure it was deserving of a red,although I can understand why Dean gave it. Will the club appeal it do you think? How did Shelvey get away with a yellow at Newcastle. No consistency.

Shelvey didn't even get a yellow.

If he didn't get a yellow, then he's a cert for a retrospective ban I'd have thought

Tall Paul. You're correct about Shellvey, I thought he got booked. Blimey, he's a lucky lad.

Will Saturday count as one of the games? I am sure that I read somewhere that they were keeping cards specific to the competition that they are awarded in this season? Or have I misunderstood something?

Jambounchained wrote:It was a red card.

It had happened against us I think 99% of our fans would say it was a red.

Very silly from Brady considering the amount of time he's already missed.

Completely agree. He made no attempt to play the ball so it’s effectively violent conduct.

claret10 wrote:Will Saturday count as one of the games? I am sure that I read somewhere that they were keeping cards specific to the competition that they are awarded in this season? Or have I misunderstood something?

A straight red covers the League, League Cup and FA cup.
So he's out for Saturday.

He made an attempt for a foul to break up their attack and got it wrong, resulting in a fairly nasty looking challenge. As has been mentioned above, if it was someone not playing in claret, then most would agree straight away that it was a red.

Two matches missed in the PL and (better still) hopefully another two matches with Dwight in the team!

Darthlaw wrote:He made an attempt for a foul to break up their attack and got it wrong, resulting in a fairly nasty looking challenge. As has been mentioned above, if it was someone not playing in claret, then most would agree straight away that it was a red.

Two matches missed in the PL and (better still) hopefully another two matches with Dwight in the team!

That's the reason I think I am a bit non-plussed about it. McNeil has been so impressive that I don't think Brady would be anywhere near the starting line up for the league for the run of games he is going to miss anyway. Yes, it's an option missing from the bench, but I think we will cope.

Brady has had a lot of time out and when he has got on the grass this season he hasn't looked at it (understandably). I don't think it will be too much of a bad thing for him to have another two weeks off to get fully fit and ready for the run-in.

Had Brady allowed him to continue his run and then hits one in the top corner, the ones calling him stupid would be demanding he had took one for the team and brought him down.

The Town player had three defenders in front of him before he could hit the ball into the top corner or do anything else with it. Brady should have trusted his defenders.

There are better ways of taking one for the team, shirt pull or a trip, not a 2 footed lunge.

A lot depends upon who is the referee. Watching MOTD last night highlights the inconsistency with PL referees. As mentioned the Shelvey assault and there was a Watford player who should have seen red.

I am not defending Robbie... it was reckless and a red card upon reflection... but as others point out, all we ask from Referees is consistency, and other challenges that look far worse get away with no cards or punishment...

Looks like Sean isn't going to appeal, but he should question others and ask for the review team to look at them....

To be fair (ish), I thought Brady came from behind and was caught off-balance as he went for the ball. This made it look far worse than it really was. Harsh red IMHO.

Still, 3 points - bring on Fulham!

At first view, I thought it was harsh.
Upon seeing the slow mo however a definite red, he caught the players ankle with his studs and the ref had a good view of it.
Brady looks to be trying too hard to make things happen on his own, instead of slowly growing into his stride by stringing together a number of passes to his teammates

He’ll be getting a bollocking, that’s for sure

Definite red
If we’re going to make a professional foul it needs to be done far more subtly- more work on the training ground required

From some angles, it looks like a yellow; from some a red. Can't complain either way.

However, it was nowhere near as bad as Shelvey's (the lack of any card suggests the ref flat out didn't see it at all) and Doucoure's for Watford where he planted one foot before stamping down with the other. It's a load of guff when people say they want "consistency" from refs. That assumes that refs have seen exactly what we've seen and have made different decisions; they just get things wrong.

beddie wrote:Only seen it on t.v. It wasn't good but not sure it was deserving of a red,although I can understand why Dean gave it. Will the club appeal it do you think? How did Shelvey get away with a yellow at Newcastle. No consistency.

Watching the first two matches on MOTD last night Shelvey, Lascalles in Newc vs Man U as well Doucoure in Bour vs Watford all did worse challenges and escaped with nothing. Lascalles may have got a yellow.

I didn't think Brady's was a straight red, neither did MOTD, but it was on the border so I can see why it was given.

What about the West Ham tackle on Cork/Westwood? Last week? The player crunched in whilst out of control and we didn’t even get the free kick. So much inconsistency is horrible from refs.

Brady’s was a red though by today’s standards... I just wish others got held to that same standard.

SalisburyClaret wrote:Definite red
If we’re going to make a professional foul it needs to be done far more subtly- more work on the training ground required

You want players to slide in and learn how to foul properly in training? With our injury record?

Do you think Brady did it to protect our lead? Because he didn't look anywhere near the ball. If he did, we had about 5 players back, to cover.

As for the challenge, weren't both feet off the ground, making it a correct decision?

FactualFrank wrote:Do you think Brady did it to protect our lead? Because he didn't look anywhere near the ball. If he did, we had about 5 players back, to cover.

As for the challenge, weren't both feet off the ground, making it a correct decision?

Correct! Let's move on

It was on the softer side given the level of violence but yes both feet were off the ground so he had to be out of control....no attempt was made for the ball....personally I don't have a problem with the straight red. I just wish there were more refs like dean who apply the rules properly instead of bottling it then everyone knows whats what.

I think he should have trusted the defenders behind him, but I get why he did it.

Fair play to him for laughing off the head leading response from their player, many others would have gone down making a meal if it. Took his medicine well.

He was an complete and utter moron, could have lost us 2 absolutely vital points. Also there were defenders there waiting to do what they do best defend!

Don't get this rubbish about "taking one for the team", "had to do it", what happened to the beautiful game notion. Fully deserved sending off just thankful it didn't cost us big time

Stonewall red. No complaints

Looked like a slip

Extremely reckless. Not sure why he couldn't have clipped his ankles or pulled him back....but I'm still not convinced it was a red card.

Said it at the time, have seen numerous replays and still have the same opinion.

But I can see why a ref like Mike Dean gave a red card when their fans were so desperate that they were screaming for all sorts all night. So, given the circumstances, a poor decision by RB to make a challenge like that

Jakubs Tash wrote:Extremely reckless.

But I can see why a ref like Mike Dean gave a red card

You mean a very good ref that got the decision absolutely spot on.

Absolutely not a red card. You see these type of challenges all the time. It's cynical that's for sure but I'm sure Dyche would classify it as 'gamesmanship'. He got a red because Dean wanted to even up the red he gave to the Huddersfield lad. A poor decision that, thankfully, didn't cost us. (he should have also booked the Huddersfield lad for his reaction - although this did help to get Brady sent off).

Why was the lad not sent off for putting his head onto Brady - thats what i thought the red card was for at 1st

Foulthrow wrote:Absolutely not a red card. You see these type of challenges all the time. It's cynical that's for sure but I'm sure Dyche would classify it as 'gamesmanship'. He got a red because Dean wanted to even up the red he gave to the Huddersfield lad. A poor decision that, thankfully, didn't cost us. (he should have also booked the Huddersfield lad for his reaction - although this did help to get Brady sent off).

I thought going in with two feet off the ground was a red?

FactualFrank wrote:I thought going in with two feet off the ground was a red?

Does it not depend on how you tackle though? The "two feet off the ground" thing (in my understanding) is to prevent a dangerous tackle that could seriously hurt your opponent. There was no way that Brady was going to seriously hurt the lad with the tackle (i.e. break his leg). Might be wrong though.

I think the potentially dangerous bit of Brady's tackle was the scissor action which meant he wrapped his feet around the opponents leg.

It's an orange card. Some refs you get away with it, some you don't. When it's Mike Dean you don't. Can't complain at that though - all humans are different and you have to play the referee a bit. Fair decision from the ref.

dpinsussex wrote:You mean a very good ref that got the decision absolutely spot on.

No, that's not what I mean.

Mike Dean isn't a very good ref and didn't have a great game. He couldn't wait to even it up, bowing to the pressure from the home fans (shouting for everything), and RB gave him the opportunity to do that. Other refs wouldn't have sent him off for that.

Red Card all day for me. It was sloppy from Brady, but that happens when players are coming back from injury and are just a little bit off full match condition. It’s not a biggie, but I do think that a game against Barnsley would have been good for his Match Conditioning.

Sleeping Cat wrote:Watching the first two matches on MOTD last night Shelvey, Lascalles in Newc vs Man U as well Doucoure in Bour vs Watford all did worse challenges and escaped with nothing. Lascalles may have got a yellow.

I didn't think Brady's was a straight red, neither did MOTD, but it was on the border so I can see why it was given.

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Makes Bradys look a little less Red

I’ve no complaints over the red card but I think it would have yellow with most other referees. That’s six reds in six games for Dean.

ClaretTony wrote:I’ve no complaints over the red card but I think it would have yellow with most other referees. That’s six reds in six games for Dean.

Otherwise, I thought Dean was excellent yesterday

Jakubs Tash wrote:He couldn't wait to even it up...

He waited 50 minutes until it almost didn't matter. Other than that, you're right...

Jakubs Tash wrote:No, that's not what I mean.

Mike Dean isn't a very good ref and didn't have a great game. He couldn't wait to even it up, bowing to the pressure from the home fans (shouting for everything), and RB gave him the opportunity to do that. Other refs wouldn't have sent him off for that.

2 feet
Off the ground
Out of control
Scissor motion
Through the back of the player
Lack of care for the player safety

Yes I know that is a red card in law.
I would certainly have sent him off for that tackle and if I hadn't would expect to be slaughtered by my assessors.

He was never trying to even it up. That does not come in to a referees mind. You need to trust me on that one.

If as you say other refs wouldn't have sent him off then that's poor on their behalf and not Mike deans.

Hate to see you out there (even at a parks level) in the middle if that is your description of a non red card. There would be world war three I suspect.

thatdberight wrote:He waited 50 minutes until it almost didn't matter. Other than that, you're right...

Because that was the only time we gave him the opportunity.

dpinsussex wrote:2 feet
Off the ground
Out of control
Scissor motion
Through the back of the player
Lack of care for the player safety

Yes I know that is a red card in law.
I would certainly have sent him off for that tackle and if I hadn't would expect to be slaughtered by my assessors.

He was never trying to even it up. That does not come in to a referees mind. You need to trust me on that one.

If as you say other refs wouldn't have sent him off then that's poor on their behalf and not Mike deans.

Hate to see you out there (even at a parks level) in the middle if that is your description of a non red card. There would be world war three I suspect.

Why should I trust you? Do you know Mike Dean?

Also, I'm not the only one saying it wasn't a red card so there is clearly a split in opinion on the challenge.

Just out of interest, would you trust an ex professional footballer to referee at parks level? Do you think they might understand the game more than me?

ClaretTony wrote:That’s six reds in six games for Dean.

Good for him. Maybe a bit more crimson being flashed by the other refs would cut out a lot of the crap some players persist on displaying.