Relegate us
We would have had 30 points. Just look at the remaining fixtures. We will need at least 13 points, this is not going to be easy

Three poor decisions have undoubtedly cost us 6 points but if we do get relegated I think our performances in the first half of the season will come under more scrutiny than those decisions.

Yes it could, I am just hoping we get a couple of soft pens over the next few games to even out the previous 67 games without.

YES We have 13 games left which 9 are against the present top 11. I'm scared

TheFamilyCat wrote:Three poor decisions have undoubtedly cost us 6 points but if we do get relegated I think our performances in the first half of the season will come under more scrutiny than those decisions.

Decisions don't help but we were so porous in our pre-Xmas fixtures and dropped daft points,that's what will ultimately cost us if we do drop.

Yeovil1951 wrote:YES We have 13 games left which 9 are against the present top 11. I'm scared

We drew away at Old Trafford against the likes of Rashford, Pogba and Lingaard. And should have come away with 3 points. Apart from Man City, we're good enough to pick up points against any team.

Ian Holloway on GOS said that when Blackpool got relegated by 1 point, he received a letter from the referee association saying they had analysed the games and poor ref decisions cost them 9 points, they should have finished in the Top 10

Shockingly bad referees! Time to bring in thenew guard and get some honesty back into the game.

How could he not book Slattery. Totally illogical

Ilkley claret wrote:Ian Holloway on GOS said that when Blackpool got relegated by 1 point, he received a letter from the referee association saying they had analysed the games and poor ref decisions cost them 9 points, they should have finished in the Top 10

Maybe teams should be given a handicap. Man United on -5 due to biased referees. Burnley +5.

Ian Holloway on GOS said that when Blackpool got relegated by 1 point, he received a letter from the referee association saying they had analysed the games and poor ref decisions cost them 9 points, they should have finished in the Top 10

Can't see that happening again. The letter being sent, I mean.

Spike wrote:Shockingly bad referees! Time to bring in thenew guard and get some honesty back into the game.

How could he not book Slattery. Totally illogical

And the same player continued to foul throughout the rest of the half and was never cautioned.

Absolutely could.

To say nothing of the 200/1 odds I got (pre Watford) on a number of season end accumulators for us to finish top half...gone t1ts up

Never mind the refs will have gone home thinking they had a great game.....

dougcollins wrote:Can't see that happening again. The letter being sent, I mean.

I have heard Holloway mention that letter a couple of time.

He says he still has the letter.

Maybe some of our missed very easy chances might affect us rather than the refs decisions.?

I agree with those that say it is our early season form that has potentially doomed us.

Maybe both will have the effect !!

It’s very easy to defer the bad decisions and focus on missed chances.

However, I’ll bet no other prem team have potentially lost 6 points from the last 3 games purely due to officials being clueless

Hibsclaret wrote:It’s very easy to defer the bad decisions and focus on missed chances.

However, I’ll bet no other prem team have potentially lost 6 points from the last 3 games purely due to officials being clueless

And it was nothing to do with... Taylor

It was everything to do with Taylor

Anthony....being a right Charlie

dougcollins wrote:Can't see that happening again. The letter being sent, I mean.

I might send the referee association a letter!

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We should have our eyes on Europe!

only thing that will relegate us is our truly awful transfer windows

More than likely our striker who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo will cost us .....

Flicktokick wrote:More than likely our striker who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo will cost us .....

Pray tell?

Flicktokick wrote:More than likely our striker who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo will cost us .....

Well it's certainly not Wood. Which leaves Barnes. They both start - end of chat.

Aye and that's the big worry

Flicktokick wrote:Aye and that's the big worry

Watch the games and you'll be surprised. Yes, I was the one shouting about Wood. I knew he'd do a good job for us. Chatted to several Leeds fans and they want him back. That's because he's a goalscorer. Barnes is a pain in the absolute backside - no defenders want to face him - nobody no way no how!

FactualFrank wrote:Watch the games and you'll be surprised. Yes, I was the one shouting about Wood. I knew he'd do a good job for us. Chatted to several Leeds fans and they want him back. That's because he's a goalscorer. Barnes is a pain in the absolute backside - no defenders want to face him - nobody no way no how!

They are both doing alright but some of the chances they have missed recently are absolute shockers.

Let's not worry about the decisions so much, we've got a real good head of momentum going now. Unbeaten in our last six matches, keep these performances up and we'll be able to knock a couple of the bigger teams of their perch when it matters.

More confident now then I was at the start of December

FactualFrank wrote:We drew away at Old Trafford against the likes of Rashford, Pogba and Lingaard. And should have come away with 3 points. Apart from Man City, we're good enough to pick up points against any team.

Where do people keep getting this 'we cant beat man city' nonsense from

Ilkley claret wrote:Ian Holloway on GOS said that when Blackpool got relegated by 1 point, he received a letter from the referee association saying they had analysed the games and poor ref decisions cost them 9 points, they should have finished in the Top 10

Distinctly remember one at ewood

Vegas Claret wrote:only thing that will relegate us is our truly awful transfer windows

Nail on thr head. Forget blaming refs. Or linesman. Or anything else.

Our august window is the reason we are in the mess. The january one is the reason we possibly wont pull clear enough before those last 4 games.

We're the only team to have taken any points off Ole's Man United (and It was away from home)... We're playing well, keep the faith!

Our lack of recruitment is what has led to our relegation should it happen

It's impossible to say what is to blame for our potential relegation seeing as we're currently above the drop zone and nobody can predict what the reason would be for us finishing the season in the bottom three.

What is it with the worry about the last four games?

Logically we couldn't play the teams at a better time.

At the moment, playing the likes of Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal is tough because they are still competing in the Europa League, fighting for CL places and the League cup or FA Cup, or even the PL title itself.

When we play them at the end of the season most/if not all will be decided.

Last season Huddersfield got a draw against Chelsea and Man city because of that very reason.

Cardiff have Liverpool, Man U, Fulham & Palace to contend with. Not much, if any easier.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Where do people keep getting this 'we cant beat man city' nonsense from

You mean river, yeah?

Spijed wrote:What is it with the worry about the last four games?

Logically we couldn't play the teams at a better time.

At the moment, playing the likes of Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal is tough because they are still competing in the Europa League, fighting for CL places and the League cup or FA Cup, or even the PL title itself.

When we play them at the end of the season most/if not all will be decided.

Last season Huddersfield got a draw against Chelsea and Man city because of that very reason.

Cardiff have Liverpool, Man U, Fulham & Palace to contend with. Not much, if any easier.

Its clearly a very tough run in. Sure it COULD be a good time to play them. But nobody would want that run in. Granted you have to play them at some point.

But our record in league and cup is as follows since first coming up.

Arsenal played 10 lost 9 drawn 1. Including a so called dead rubber last season by 5.

Everton played 9. Lost 6 won 3.

Chelsea. Played 9. Lost 6. Drawn 2. won 1.

Man City. Played 11. Lost 7. Drawn 3. Won 1.

All of them have tubbed us at least once. And city average over 3 goals a game against us in that period.

We need to realistically be 6 points clear going into the first of those away to chelsea.

Of course we can beat them on our day. But these are 4 sides who not only will be tough regardless but probably the four teams we have the worse record against of all of them.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Where do people keep getting this 'we cant beat man city' nonsense from

Can I remind you that we have beaten the reigning champions in each of our previous 4 seasons in the Premier League!

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Its clearly a very tough run in. Sure it COULD be a good time to play them. But nobody would want that run in. Granted you have to play them at some point.

But our record in league and cup is as follows since first coming up.

Arsenal played 10 lost 9 drawn 1. Including a so called dead rubber last season by 5.

Everton played 9. Lost 6 won 3.

Chelsea. Played 9. Lost 6. Drawn 2. won 1.

Man City. Played 11. Lost 7. Drawn 3. Won 1.

All of them have tubbed us at least once. And city average over 3 goals a game against us in that period.

We need to realistically be 6 points clear going into the first of those away to chelsea.

Of course we can beat them on our day. But these are 4 sides who not only will be tough regardless but probably the four teams we have the worse record against of all of them.

I get the impression you think we are pretty much down anyway from reading that as we probably won't be six points in front.

Perhaps Fulham or Cardiff have lost 6 points because of wrong decisions, unless everyone's fortune and misfortune is calculated it's meaningless. So I doubt Blackpool would've come 10th for example, unless it was set against data from the refereeing of all the games played that season.
If we're relegated it's because over 38 games we weren't good enough, not because upon watching replays in slow motion we can give ourselves points retrospectively. How do you know we'd even have scored that penalty?

Yeovil1951 wrote:YES We have 13 games left which 9 are against the present top 11. I'm scared

Just win the other 4 then. Simple.

Goobs wrote:Just win the other 4 then. Simple.

I am probably talking rubbish but is this not the longest unbeaten run we have had in the Premier League?

Think we might have done a 7 and 6 last season

I just hope we are still in the PL when VAR kicks in next season because VAR would have definitely assisted us in the last 3 games. I'm not saying we would have guaranteed extra points (as football doesn't work like that) but at least the incompetence of Anthony Taylor would have been nullified somewhat.

I'm not sure this sort of analysis is ever especially worthwhile - there's no telling how the game would have panned out had we got the first half penalty on Saturday, for example - but if we want to go down this road then it's got to be acknowledged that our winner against Brighton before Christmas involved the linesman missing a marginal offside against Wood.

Given that that was probably a win or die game, that was an absolutely massive call which has probably much more fundamentally altered the course of the season that those that have undoubtedly gone against us in the last three games.

While I can buy the theory that the decisions against Watford and Man United cost us points as they were so late in the game, it's difficult to argue that the award of a 33rd minute penalty against Soton would have guaranteed us a win.

claretspice wrote:I'm not sure this sort of analysis is ever especially worthwhile - there's no telling how the game would have panned out had we got the first half penalty on Saturday, for example - but if we want to go down this road then it's got to be acknowledged that our winner against Brighton before Christmas involved the linesman missing a marginal offside against Wood.

Given that that was probably a win or die game, that was an absolutely massive call which has probably much more fundamentally altered the course of the season that those that have undoubtedly gone against us in the last three games.

I understand what you're saying, it's the whole "it all balances out in the end" type of argument. For the record, I dont think Wood was offside against BHA

They're two different Burnley teams playing this season, the awful relegation team upto 5pm Boxing Day, and the other must improved team since. Having got to the point three games ago, if we had won the next three we most likely would have required just 7 points from the remainder, we now however need 13 I think is a big adk

gtclaret wrote:They're two different Burnley teams playing this season, the awful relegation team upto 5pm Boxing Day, and the other must improved team since

To be fair, the fight-back started against Liverpool (H) where we could have drawn and at Wembley where, again, we could have had a draw. Arsenal and Everton were not good but we are now back to something like where we were last season.

It's not going to be plain sailing but, the reintroduction of Tom Heaton has galvanised the defence in a way that was lacking with Joe Hart between the posts.

In Dyche we Trust