Blackrod wrote:Should we be building more of them ? My wife is watching 3 girls ( hard viewing) and some of the repulsive offenders are now out on licence. There is obviously demand for the space and being out on licence is the preferred route for the authorities. We need to be able to lock criminals up for longer.

Fenwick wrote:The existing prisons are fine. They just need to refurb a suitable building with a strong beam and a platform with a trapdoor beneath it.

Blackrod wrote:Should we be building more of them ? My wife is watching 3 girls ( hard viewing) and some of the repulsive offenders are now out on licence. There is obviously demand for the space and being out on licence is the preferred route for the authorities. We need to be able to lock criminals up for longer.

bfcjg wrote:People should be terrified of going to prison. Ex prisoners should come out pleading with their associates not to risk what harsh conditions they have just been through.

Moorite wrote:We should go old school. If you are convicted a thief then cut off their hand. If they are a rapest then off with the jewels etc

Blackrod wrote:Should we be building more of them ? My wife is watching 3 girls ( hard viewing) and some of the repulsive offenders are now out on licence. There is obviously demand for the space and being out on licence is the preferred route for the authorities. We need to be able to lock criminals up for longer.

basil6345789 wrote:It's costly to keep them in jail here. In cases like the above when can we and can not deport?

Blackrod wrote:Should we be building more of them ? My wife is watching 3 girls ( hard viewing) and some of the repulsive offenders are now out on licence. There is obviously demand for the space and being out on licence is the preferred route for the authorities. We need to be able to lock criminals up for longer.

Imploding Turtle wrote:What will longer prison terms achieve? I know it'll make a lot people feel better if people spend more time in prison, but does that actually achieve anything?

Instead of longer sentences maybe we should study the practices of countries that are much more successful than us when it comes to lowering recidivism. Like Norway, for example.
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skibum84 wrote:Nearly every time I hear a sentence given to a criminal I think it’s too lenient and i’m sure most people I know would agree. But how do we change it? No politiants ever say “vote for me, i’ll Make sure criminals get longer sentences!” If they did, they would get my vote!

tim_noone wrote:I hadnt realised it was a race thred.

Jakubclaret wrote:The Norway example probably does work in Norway, the UK is a melting pot without blaming immigration but as a fact we've seen lots of people enter this country without really knowing much about there history, instead of being CRB checked like what's usually carried out domestically.

Jakubclaret wrote:The Norway example probably does work in Norway, the UK is a melting pot without blaming immigration but as a fact we've seen lots of people enter this country without really knowing much about there history, instead of being CRB checked like what's usually carried out domestically.

basil6345789 wrote:Sounds like you're sticking-up for the Rochdale rapists.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:You're talking about a country that lets in adults who're pretending to be kids without thoroughly checking them first...

No way we'd CRB check people properly.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Norway's immigrant population is higher than the UK's.

Would you like to imagine another explanation for why it works there but can't here?

Colburn_Claret wrote:There are many reasons why, a completely different culture.
What's the unemployment rate in Norway.
How many people in Norway live in run down housing estates.
What's the drinking culture like in Norway, at 8 pound a pint even the Norwegians stay at home.
How about the prospects of finding a job on release from prison.

You're comparing a horse to a donkey and asking why the donkey can't win

basil6345789 wrote:Sounds like you're sticking-up for the Rochdale rapists.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Sounds like we should look to Norway for a lot more ideas than just prisons then, doesn't it?

And maybe you can explain to me why any of those means we can't still look to Norway for lessons on how to handle our prisoners and make sure they're less likely to re-offend? I'm not saying we're going to get down to the same rates as them, but all we need to achieve is better than the way it is now and it'll have been worthwhile. No?

Colburn_Claret wrote:It said in your article how low the crime rate is. They don't leave prison to go back to the ghetto or housing estate. They don't go back to the gang culture they left, because for most of them there isn't one. They don't go back to sleeping all day then playing the PS4 all night. As I said it's a different culture, and there isn't a magic button to make Britain like Norway.

All you can do is deal with what you've got.

Jakubclaret wrote:It’s a completely different contrast to what we have here that’s for sure, I’d jump at the chance to move there if it was possible.

Colburn_Claret wrote:It said in your article how low the crime rate is. They don't leave prison to go back to the ghetto or housing estate. They don't go back to the gang culture they left, because for most of them there isn't one. They don't go back to sleeping all day then playing the PS4 all night. As I said it's a different culture, and there isn't a magic button to make Britain like Norway.

All you can do is deal with what you've got.

Jakubclaret wrote:It’s a complete contrast to what we have here that’s for sure, I’d jump at the chance to move there if it was possible.

Moorite wrote:We should go old school. If you are convicted a thief then cut off their hand. If they are a rapest then off with the jewels etc

Greenmile wrote:You realise that would make you an immigrant (and therefore, presumably, responsible for everything that’s wrong with Norwegian society), don’t you?

Greenmile wrote:Sounds like you want to introduce shariah law to the UK.

tiger76 wrote:"Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime"-one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair 2006.

Great words shame he never lived up to his promises.

Quickenthetempo wrote:He made things 10x worse for the country allowing every single court case to have an appeal. Great for his lawyer wife and friends as the workload and pay packet doubled, but not so for the Great British people.

Someone mentions the short shock of a small time in prison, it sounds like they get prepared for that in schools now. Lockdowns and isolations are used as a key weapon against pupils bad behaviour.

The prison system seems to be on lock down quite a lot due to staff shortages.

Quickenthetempo wrote:He made things 10x worse for the country allowing every single court case to have an appeal. Great for his lawyer wife and friends as the workload and pay packet doubled, but not so for the Great British people.

Someone mentions the short shock of a small time in prison, it sounds like they get prepared for that in schools now. Lockdowns and isolations are used as a key weapon against pupils bad behaviour.

The prison system seems to be on lock down quite a lot due to staff shortages.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why shouldn't people be allowed to appeal their convictions?

Quickenthetempo wrote:The new evidence appeal was fine.

It's just chancing it for a lesser sentence these days. At a great cost to the tax payer.

If you need an appeal for every case you have to admit the system is broken in the first place.

Imploding Turtle wrote:I agree that the culture is different, i'm just confused as to why that's relevant. A criminal is a criminal. Sure, a gang member might not be less likely to re-offend (although i'm not sure why that would be true) but there aren't only gang members in our prisons. Even if all the gang members in prison re-offended at the same rates they do now, there are tens of thousands of non gang members, and there's no reason a better prison system for them can't reduce their re-offending rates.

You've not made a counter argument. All you've really said is "it's a different culture", but so are countries with longer prison sentences than ours, and more prisons than ours, yet you haven't argued against that under the same logic that they're "different cultures". Why not?

peter_nobles_fringe wrote:There is no respect any more these days, no discipline in schools, chavvy tv programs, kids having kids etc then you add in social media bookface etc online porn. Just where do a lot of kids get their moral compass from?