Calculating ground capacity

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:38 am

Have you ever wondered how they did it in the old days with terraces?
Here's an old picture showing it.
Officials calculate crowd capacity at Bern’s Wankdorf Stadium ahead of the 1954 World Cup.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:43 am

How much will ours go up by when the corners are completed?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:44 am

I've seen less on the Turf in the old 4th division!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:47 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:How much will ours go up by when the corners are completed?

I don't know as the disabled fans must be counted in the attendance now?

It will only go up if the JM Lower gets converted back.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:55 am

claretblue wrote:I've seen less on the Turf in the old 4th division!

Yet strangely every man and his dog claims to have been on most of the games

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:56 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't know as the disabled fans must be counted in the attendance now?

It will only go up if the JM Lower gets converted back.

The plans suggest the disabled platform will remain.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:37 pm

Goobs wrote:Yet strangely every man and his dog claims to have been on most of the games

The dog was on several matches but I can assure you that every man stayed away.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't know as the disabled fans must be counted in the attendance now?

It will only go up if the JM Lower gets converted back.

It will go up because there are extra disabled places in the ground.

Bfc · Post by **Bfc** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:05 pm

The man on the right has a look of staff member Anthony Fairclough.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:56 pm

Don't know how accurate the artist impression is but it shows 45 disabled people in the new stand. Assuming the other holds as many that would be 90 in total but I'm sure the control room is going to take up 1 floor of the new BL/JM corner stand so it will be fewer than that.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:02 pm

bfcmik wrote:Don't know how accurate the artist impression is but it shows 45 disabled people in the new stand. Assuming the other holds as many that would be 90 in total but I'm sure the control room is going to take up 1 floor of the new BL/JM corner stand so it will be fewer than that.

The one just going up now is quite a bit smaller.

It’s a full tier smaller and, as you say, has a control room too.

Not as tall as the one up now.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:11 pm

ClaretShaun wrote:
The one just going up now is quite a bit smaller.

It’s a full tier smaller and, as you say, has a control room too.

Not as tall as the one up now.

The North East corner (Longside/Jimmy Mac) will hold 45. The South East corner (Bob Lord/Jimmy Mac) will hold 30.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:18 pm

ClaretShaun wrote:The one just going up now is quite a bit smaller.

It’s a full tier smaller and, as you say, has a control room too.

Not as tall as the one up now.

The rounded steel for the top looks to be the same height as the other corner.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 pm

MarkGreen wrote:The plans suggest the disabled platform will remain.

I cant see how all the original positions remain if one of the complaints was that disabled supporters were too exposed to bad weather, and a poor view in addition.

As they say, that might just be an artists impression as the drawing of the other corner shows disabled supporters sitting in front of the Bob Lord Stand (another part of the ground where they are too exposed to the weather).

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 pm

bfcmik wrote:Don't know how accurate the artist impression is but it shows 45 disabled people in the new stand. Assuming the other holds as many that would be 90 in total but I'm sure the control room is going to take up 1 floor of the new BL/JM corner stand so it will be fewer than that.

I can't believe you counted those white dots and come up with 45!

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:26 pm

Steve1956 wrote: I can't believe you counted those white dots and come up with 45!

Highlight of my day

Retirement is a one long catalogue of exciting stuff

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:30 pm

If the figures given above are “disabled” do they then each have a “minder”?
Sorry about terminology but I don’t know what is current.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:30 pm

bfcmik wrote:Highlight of my day Retirement is a one long catalogue of exciting stuff

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:39 pm

Steve1956 wrote: I can't believe you counted those white dots and come up with 45!

He’s correct though, there will be 45 disabled spaces in that new corner.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:52 pm

Spijed wrote:I cant see how all the original positions remain if one of the complaints was that disabled supporters were too exposed to bad weather, and a poor view in addition.

As they say, that might just be an artists impression as the drawing of the other corner shows disabled supporters sitting in front of the Bob Lord Stand (another part of the ground where they are too exposed to the weather).

25% of disabled spaces under the new Accessible Stadia guide can be pitch side. When we have finished we will have 31% pitch side and we will be close to compliant with the numbers.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:54 pm

The funny thing is with this, all clubs have different demand on spaces. I’m pretty sure that I read Watford, for example, would be creating space for twice as many people that have ever demanded tickets at Vicarage Road.

I don’t know what the demand is at Turf Moor, but we are going from 47 to 141, so almost 100 more.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:59 pm

Claretforever wrote:He’s correct though, there will be 45 disabled spaces in that new corner.

47 I get.....two are in the toilet.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:01 pm

I can't believe I've just counted the white dots

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:04 pm

Claretforever wrote:25% of disabled spaces under the new Accessible Stadia guide can be pitch side. When we have finished we will have 31% pitch side and we will be close to compliant with the numbers.

I thought people were complaining the pitch sides ones were in a bad spot because of the weather?

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:10 pm

Spijed wrote:I thought people were complaining the pitch sides ones were in a bad spot because of the weather?

We are creating 75 spaces in the new stands when we currently have 47. 75 is probably enough and they’ll all fit in there anyway, but the current ones are staying and are being extended. We are extending the spaces available in front of the Bob Lord.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:38 pm

bfcmik wrote:The rounded steel for the top looks to be the same height as the other corner.

Might look it (doesn’t to me), however, it’s definitely one level shorter.

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bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:25 pm

ClaretShaun wrote:Might look it (doesn’t to me), however, it’s definitely one level shorter.

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3 viewing levels and a base. Same as the other side.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:37 pm

bfcmik wrote:3 viewing levels and a base. Same as the other side.

I’ve added a yellow line from the top of the South East Corner (Bob Lord) across to the other corner.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:00 pm

bfcmik wrote:3 viewing levels and a base. Same as the other side.

The roof of the latest one is level with the bottom of the top level on the ones that’s up.

So then one that’s up is a full level higher.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:02 pm

So the capacity will increase by 75.... or do the 75 have a +1 too?

Not that any of this matters

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:47 pm

Claretforever wrote:I’ve added a yellow line from the top of the South East Corner (Bob Lord) across to the other corner.

We are both right - The unbuilt stand is indeed lower, as you say, but it also still has 3 viewing levels. They are rather more compressed than the one between the JM and the JH stands. I suspect it is designed to be level with the Bob Lord roof

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:57 pm

bfcmik wrote:We are both right - The unbuilt stand is indeed lower, as you say, but it also still has 3 viewing levels. They are rather more compressed than the one between the JM and the JH stands. I suspect it is designed to be level with the Bob Lord roof

The detailed designs show that the North West Corner has a ground floor, first floor, second floor, third floor and roof. The South West Corner designs show a ground floor, first floor, second floor and roof.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:52 pm

How did we go from calculating ground capacity to discussing our new disabled stands so quickly and completely? Personally I think the club have spent huge amounts of money to add next to nothing to the capacity. Surely this could have been done far more easily and cheaply?

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:54 am

houseboy wrote:How did we go from calculating ground capacity to discussing our new disabled stands so quickly and completely? Personally I think the club have spent huge amounts of money to add next to nothing to the capacity. Surely this could have been done far more easily and cheaply?

I think we’re doing it on the cheap anyway, as usual. We’ve gone for the cheap corrugated cladding finish instead of the higher quality cassette cladding that’s on the Club shop. I think grounds using the cassette cladding always look better.

I agree that spending £30/40m (???) or maybe a bit more on sorting the Bob Lord and Cricket Field stands, factoring in disabled access, could have been better spent? Maybe access is the actual issue there though. £5m seems a lot for what we’re getting.

Regarding capacity it was a bit more than just the metre square check, certainly from the 1970’s and 80’s.

enduroclaret · Post by **enduroclaret** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:43 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Have you ever wondered how they did it in the old days with terraces?
Here's an old picture showing it.
Officials calculate crowd capacity at Bern’s Wankdorf Stadium ahead of the 1954 World Cup.

I reckon at Brighton they'd get at least another couple of blokes in that square metre.

Better Call Saul · Post by **Better Call Saul** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:41 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:If the figures given above are “disabled” do they then each have a “minder”?
Sorry about terminology but I don’t know what is current.

A 'Minder' ?
Does that mean George Cole & Dennis Waterman have started supporting the Clarets.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:30 am

Better Call Saul wrote:A 'Minder' ?
Does that mean George Cole & Dennis Waterman have started supporting the Clarets.

That’s a good point.

And the terminology, according to my wife who works for social serices, is carer.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

bfcmik wrote:We are both right - The unbuilt stand is indeed lower, as you say, but it also still has 3 viewing levels. They are rather more compressed than the one between the JM and the JH stands. I suspect it is designed to be level with the Bob Lord roof

Not really. You said the roofs looked the same level, as wasn’t just saying it’s a full level in height lower on the BLS side, plans show 3 platforms on one side and 2 other, throw in the control box and you’d imagine places on that’s side.

Not that it matters.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:51 am

houseboy wrote:How did we go from calculating ground capacity to discussing our new disabled stands so quickly and completely? Personally I think the club have spent huge amounts of money to add next to nothing to the capacity. Surely this could have been done far more easily and cheaply?

You might personally think that but you’re missing the whole point of it.

It was the right thing to do and was nothing in monetary terms to us.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:46 am

I applaud the club for complying with rules on providing accommodation for disabled supporters.

I do wonder if there are enough disabled supporters to takes all those places.

I humbly suggest some levels may quickly become Corporate boxes.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:36 pm

houseboy wrote:How did we go from calculating ground capacity to discussing our new disabled stands so quickly and completely? Personally I think the club have spent huge amounts of money to add next to nothing to the capacity. Surely this could have been done far more easily and cheaply?

The new new builds have nothing to do with increasing capacity and everything to do with making sure every fan, regardless of capability, has the freedom to attend matches. It is the right and proper thing to do.

I don't understand why people are so het up about increasing the ground capacity anyway. We could get, at most, another 1000 bums on seats for the 2nd tier of games whilst we would probably fill many more when playing ManUre, Liverpool or Citeh but we already have plenty of seats for the majority of matches. Also, we should not forget that 10% of any increased capacity has to go to away fans.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:40 pm

bfcmik wrote:The new new builds have nothing to do with increasing capacity and everything to do with making sure every fan, regardless of capability, has the freedom to attend matches. It is the right and proper thing to do.

I don't understand why people are so het up about increasing the ground capacity anyway. We could get, at most, another 1000 bums on seats for the 2nd tier of games whilst we would probably fill many more when playing ManUre, Liverpool or Citeh but we already have plenty of seats for the majority of matches. Also, we should not forget that 10% of any increased capacity has to go to away fans.

We currently offer 2,458 away tickets, which covers us up to a capacity of 24,580, or 2,600 more than the ground currently holds.

I think you’re looking at it blinkered slightly, and not thinking about the opportunity to sell the club to a wider audience as the only Premier League club in Lancashire, and to revisit some of our old catchment areas in West Yorkshire. Perhaps even into enemy territory dare I say. Right now we don’t have enough spare capacity to have a sustained effort at doing that.