No complaints. Rafa had us sussed. Played two wing backs who had acres of space and time all the first half. And they took the chances.

Could we have done better with the goals? Yes. Did we miss Westwood? Massively.

But its a reality check and a lot of work yet to do.

Bring on palace.

Two wins and a draw from 10 games and we will be fine.

Some massive overreactions in the stand tonight. Keep the faith.

I’ll be amazed if Westwood was the only player who was ill from the squad.

So many lacklustre performances.

cricketfieldclarets wrote:No complaints. Rafa had us sussed. Played two wing backs who had acres of space and time all the first half. And they took the chances.

Could we have done better with the goals? Yes. Did we miss Westwood? Massively.

But its a reality check and a lot of work yet to do.

Bring on palace.

Two wins and a draw from 10 games and we will be fine.

Some massive overreactions in the stand tonight. Keep the faith.

Yes... But tom should have saved the first goal.

tim_noone wrote:Yes... But tom should have saved the first goal.

I think thats very harsh.

Everywhere I've seen has praised the shot and described it as 'unstoppable'.

Spot on cricketfield once again

RVclaret wrote:I think thats very harsh.

Everywhere I've seen has praised the shot and described it as 'unstoppable'.

Really?

cricketfieldclarets wrote: Some massive overreactions in the stand tonight. Keep the faith.

Not just in the stands - I had to laugh at a message popping up in a group chat after the 2nd goal “we’re fu(king ****!!!”

Just because a team who has stopped our unbeaten run with their 4th straight home win scored 2 against us.

One poor performance in two months, I’ll take that. Need to be back on it for the weekend though.

Just hope Wolves play well against Cardiff at the weekend as they've been less than useless against the bottom sides!

Spijed wrote:Just hope Wolves play well against Cardiff at the weekend as they've been less than useless against the bottom sides!

Huddersfield done the double over them - now Cardiff have the chance to at the weekend!

RVclaret wrote:I think thats very harsh.

Everywhere I've seen has praised the shot and described it as 'unstoppable'.

Only kidding ...best team won.cracking goal!

Spijed wrote:Just hope Wolves play well against Cardiff at the weekend as they've been less than useless against the bottom sides!

I’m hoping for a Fulham win tomorrow too against saints.

Newcastle weren’t as good as Spurs. Fact.

We were never at the races.

Poor performances in too many positions.

We go again.

tim_noone wrote:Yes... But tom should have saved the first goal.

Really. Sorry but that is bs.

Hibsclaret wrote:Really. Sorry but that is bs.

It is....post 11

tim_noone wrote: It is....post 11

Bit of an immature post tim.

Tonight was probably the perfect example of way SD will never get a top job.
He is good for Burnley etc etc, but when it comes to the crunch, tactic wise , he is lacking.
Instead of strengthening midfield he resorts to hoofball plus.
I'm not calling for a change or anything remotely like that, just merely an observation of the difference between him and Rafa.

Can't win em all, don't expect us to win em all - I expect us to be able to make 10 yard passes though.
Major improvement needed for the weekend and if there is one thing this team has a history of it is reacting to a bad performance. Roll on the weekend !

Nonayforever wrote:Tonight was probably the perfect example of way SD will never get a top job.
He is good for Burnley etc etc, but when it comes to the crunch, tactic wise , he is lacking.
Instead of strengthening midfield he resorts to hoofball plus.
I'm not calling for a change or anything remotely like that, just merely an observation of the difference between him and Rafa.

100% nail on the head

And so every time a goalkeeper gets beaten, they have to show the reserve goalkeeper's reaction? They did home in on a smiling Hart after the first goal and I must admit the I didn't like it. He who let in forty one goals and should never have been signed in the first place.

Nonayforever wrote:Tonight was probably the perfect example of way SD will never get a top job.
He is good for Burnley etc etc, but when it comes to the crunch, tactic wise , he is lacking.
Instead of strengthening midfield he resorts to hoofball plus.
I'm not calling for a change or anything remotely like that, just merely an observation of the difference between him and Rafa.

Strewth, talk about overreaction. Newcastle are one point ahead of us.

If he is lacking in tactics how many teams have taken points off Man U. or Spurs recently?

Vegas Claret wrote:100% nail on the head

hmmm...

Nonayforever wrote:Tonight was probably the perfect example of way SD will never get a top job.
He is good for Burnley etc etc, but when it comes to the crunch, tactic wise , he is lacking.
Instead of strengthening midfield he resorts to hoofball plus.
I'm not calling for a change or anything remotely like that, just merely an observation of the difference between him and Rafa.

Not in a million years would you / anyone swap though.

Well anyone who gets it.

Shite and a waste of money... But we go again!

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Spijed wrote:hmmm...

why hmm ? You don't think with 25 mins to go and getting over run in midfield changing formation might have been a good idea ?

Spijed wrote:Strewth, talk about overreaction. Newcastle are one point ahead of us.

If he is lacking in tactics how many teams have taken points off Man U. or Spurs recently?

No offence intended Spijed but that's the problem with people like you, you can't have a serious tactical conversation about what we could have 'possibly' done to change the game. So instead you throw out the 'overreaction' line and offer nothing in terms of debate.

Vegas Claret wrote:why hmm ? You don't think with 25 mins to go and getting over run in midfield changing formation might have been a good idea ?

What formation would you have changed to?

bfccrazy wrote:What formation would you have changed to?

Bardo off, 3 5-2 so we matched their midfield, get the wingers into a position to cross the ball instead of Tarks pinging the ball 60 yards and missing his target 100% of the time. Considering the previous 70 mins was abject Dyche needed to change something and Crouch for Barnes was pretty pointless without getting crosses in from the wings

Vegas Claret wrote:Bardo off, 3 5-2 so we matched their midfield, get the wingers into a position to cross the ball instead of Tarks pinging the ball 60 yards and missing his target 100% of the time. Considering the previous 70 mins was abject Dyche needed to change something and Crouch for Barnes was pretty pointless without getting crosses in from the wings

Bardsley was keeping Rondon covered at their breaks on that side though. And had to contend with their best fullback putting balls in, why would you choose to take him off and give them more freedom?

bfccrazy wrote:Bardsley was keeping Rondon covered at their breaks on that side though. And had to contend with their best fullback putting balls in, why would you choose to take him off and give them more freedom?

2-0 with 20 min to go is why or did you think it was still 0-0 ?

Vegas Claret wrote:No offence intended Spijed but that's the problem with people like you, you can't have a serious tactical conversation about what we could have 'possibly' done to change the game. So instead you throw out the 'overreaction' line and offer nothing in terms of debate.

It's just the fact that we've played poorly for the first time since Boxing day (2 months)!

Vegas Claret wrote:2-0 with 20 min to go is why or did you think it was still 0-0 ?

I didn’t think it was 0-0 ... but you never mentioned how you’d change the midfield either .... just magic up another CM?

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’ll be amazed if Westwood was the only player who was ill from the squad.

So many lacklustre performances.

So there were quite a lot of poorly players towards the end of last year then?

Let's not forget, if we aren't bang at it we can be pretty dismal.

But it's already parked is this one.

Nonayforever wrote:Tonight was probably the perfect example of way SD will never get a top job.
He is good for Burnley etc etc, but when it comes to the crunch, tactic wise , he is lacking.
Instead of strengthening midfield he resorts to hoofball plus.
I'm not calling for a change or anything remotely like that, just merely an observation of the difference between him and Rafa.

Love to hear your opinion on Dyche after we beat Spurs at home.

Vegas Claret wrote:2-0 with 20 min to go is why or did you think it was still 0-0 ?

Vegas Claret wrote:
No offence intended Spijed but that's the problem with people like you, you can't have a serious tactical conversation about what we could have 'possibly' done to change the game. So instead you throw out the 'overreaction' line and offer nothing in terms of debate.

Ps, the irony when i’m Actually curious about your tactical idea

bfccrazy wrote:I didn’t think it was 0-0 ... but you never mentioned how you’d change the midfield either .... just magic up another CM?

maybe if we'd have signed one we could have had another on the bench !

however he could have gone

Heaton
Mee Tarks Taylor
JBG Hendrick Cork Brady Barnes (he's played there for us plenty of times)
Crouch Wood

or
Heaton
Bardsley Mee Taylor
JBG Hendrick Cork Tarks Brady
Crouch Wood or Barnes

sticking with the 4-4-2 clearly wasn't working so to stick with it all game was pretty pointless. Not saying for one minute 3-5-2 would have deffo worked, but 4-4-2 deffo didn't work tonight

Vegas Claret wrote:No offence intended Spijed but that's the problem with people like you, you can't have a serious tactical conversation about what we could have 'possibly' done to change the game. So instead you throw out the 'overreaction' line and offer nothing in terms of debate.

That is a very fair point. Some people are prone to that on any subject. The only reason I write it is because he or she has done it to me many times.

I personally would have switched to 3 at the back tonight after it went wrong. We got outnumbered in midfield.

I agree Dyche has his limitations - as has all his players. But tonight was an acceptable off day. Rafa has won a Champions League. Big difference. Credit where it is due. No offence to Sean.

Spijed wrote:It's just the fact that we've played poorly for the first time since Boxing day (2 months)!

yeah and it's no biggy, I don't expect us to win all the games - our run has been incredible and we've played some great stuff, but tonight we couldn't make 10 yard passes and over hit pretty much every direct ball. It was an off night simple as that, we need to put it right for the weekend though and I'm confident we will - this team usually reacts

CrosspoolClarets wrote:That is a very fair point. Some people are prone to that on any subject. The only reason I write it is because he or she has done it to me many times.

I personally would have switched to 3 at the back tonight after it went wrong. We got outnumbered in midfield.

I agree Dyche has his limitations - as has all his players. But tonight was an acceptable off day. Rafa has won a Champions League. Big difference. Credit where it is due. No offence to Sean.

and that's the thing, not a single person has come out and said Dyche is an idiot etc, someone made an observation (correctly) that sometimes he could do with having a plan B and tactically he needs to improve - I would imagine he'll be the first to admit it too. People just can't seem to get their heads around the difference between an observation and a pointless criticism

Vegas Claret wrote:maybe if we'd have signed one we could have had another on the bench !

however he could have gone

Heaton
Mee Tarks Taylor
JBG Hendrick Cork Brady Barnes (he's played there for us plenty of times)
Crouch Wood

or
Heaton
Bardsley Mee Taylor
JBG Hendrick Cork Tarks Brady
Crouch Wood or Barnes

sticking with the 4-4-2 clearly wasn't working so to stick with it all game was pretty pointless. Not saying for one minute 3-5-2 would have deffo worked, but 4-4-2 deffo didn't work tonight

So you really did want to magic up a CM “if we’d signed one”

Playing Tark there is a bit silly in my opinion a big role he has is to keep those balls getting headed back which he was doing plenty of in the last 20 minutes.

Barnes could play out wide I guess so you have agreed that Dyche is tactically inept because he didn’t choose one option of playing Barnes out of his regular position for 20 minutes at 2-0 down......

This football lark is easy as a fan but those choices are not obvious ones.

Targetman wrote:Bit of an immature post tim.

Im only 6 gimmee a break!

bfccrazy wrote:So you really did want to magic up a CM “if we’d signed one”

Playing Tark there is a bit silly in my opinion a big role he has is to keep those balls getting headed back which he was doing plenty of in the last 20 minutes.

Barnes could play out wide I guess so you have agreed that Dyche is tactically inept because he didn’t choose one option of playing Barnes out of his regular position for 20 minutes at 2-0 down......

This football lark is easy as a fan but those choices are not obvious ones.

who said he was tactically inept ? there you go making stuff up again to fulfil your agenda

The only change that would have bothered them at all was Crouch, Wood and Barnes against their back 3. There was a hell of a lot of grappling going on from both sides but against 2 their 3 were too good.
I thought it was ironic when Pawson made the Newcastle player go back ONE yard to take a throw-in.
Bad day, put it to bed, hope any other illnesses are cured for Saturday.

Vegas Claret wrote:
100% nail on the head

Vegas Claret wrote:who said he was tactically inept ? there you go making stuff up again to fulfil your agenda

...... ermmmm

“Tactic wise, he is lacking”

“100% nail on the head”

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Was someone else logged onto your account?

bfccrazy wrote:...... ermmmm

“Tactic wise, he is lacking”

“100% nail on the head”

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Was someone else logged onto your account?

point to where I used the word inept.......like I said, agenda

Vegas Claret wrote:point to where I used the word inept.......like I said, agenda

Do you know the meaning of inept?

Why are you trying to make this an argument when I’m genuinely questioning your tactical nouse? Which is what you wanted to discuss ......

Ok - I apologise for using the word inept.

So you agree Dyche is lacking tactically because he didn’t play Barnes out of his regular position for 20 minutes at 2-0 down?

Put it down to a bad night at the office,BTW Newcastle have now won 4 PL home games on the bounce,including beating the reigning champions,let's have some perspective,fortunately Cardiff and Brighton lost so no damage done and one less game for them to make up the deficit.

I'd expect a reaction on Saturday for the Palace game,3 points from that and we'll be close to safety.

bfccrazy wrote:Ok - I apologise for using the word inept.

So you agree Dyche is lacking tactically because he didn’t play Barnes out of his regular position for 20 minutes at 2-0 down?

nope, read what me and the other lad actually said instead of what you think we said

Fight fight fight fight fight fight fight