Accidental handball goals won’t stand

Basically if a player accidentally handles it and goes in, the goal won’t count.

No rebounds from penalties

If a penalty is saved or hits the bar/post, the game will then be stopped.

substituted players can leave the field anywhere

No longer required to go to the half way line where the player coming on is waiting.

No attacking players in wall

Attacking players will not be permitted to join the defensive wall at a free kick.

coaches will receive cards

Managers & coaches will receive red and yellow cards when deemed appropriate.

They seem sensible enough, but what is the thinking about rebounds from penalties? Is this to stop the controversy caused by players encroaching into the box?

Rileybobs wrote:They seem sensible enough, but what is the thinking about rebounds from penalties? Is this to stop the controversy caused by players encroaching into the box?

I was surprised with that one but it certainly puts an end to encroachment.

The second and forth are ridiculous!

I think the sub one is a very good idea, some teams make their substitutions drag out.

The accidental handball one is interesting.

ClaretTony wrote:No rebounds from penalties

If a penalty is saved or hits the bar/post, the game will then be stopped.

How will it be restarted? Presumably with a goalkick?

ClaretTony wrote:I was surprised with that one but it certainly puts an end to encroachment.

But VAR could easily put an end to that. Players encroach because they are confident they’ll get away with it. If they know they won’t it should stop (although I accept this won’t be true in games without VAR).

When you think about it, they all seem sensible enough. Gives some consistency with penalties in extra time, stops encroaching and more fair on goalkeepers. I will miss the rebound the potential of scoring from the resulting corner though.

If it was up to me though, if a penalty is won by a foul, the fouled player should be the one stepping up.

What constitutes an attacking player? Could that change during the course of a match? So for example Barnes starts match as out and out forward but later gets pulled back into a mid field role to defend a lead or as a result of us getting a man sent off. Does that mean he can’t go in the wall from that juncture? Can envisage problems with that.

No rebounds from penalties

If a penalty is saved or hits the bar/post, the game will then be stopped.

Is a weird one. Seems to benefit the side who committed the offence. If they want to stop encroachment then make it a bookable offence and have the linesman watch for it.

Carport wrote:What constitutes an attacking player? Could that change during the course of a match? So for example Barnes starts match as out and out forward but later gets pulled back into a mid field role to defend a lead or as a result of us getting a man sent off. Does that mean he can’t go in the wall from that juncture? Can envisage problems with that.

Precisely. Are teams going to have to nominate attacking players before the match? I’ve always been of the opinion that every player is a defender when the opposition has the ball.

Rileybobs wrote:They seem sensible enough, but what is the thinking about rebounds from penalties? Is this to stop the controversy caused by players encroaching into the box?

Watching the missed penalty for Arsenal against Spurs on the weekend, Spurs no 5(Vertonghen?) was only about three yards behind the penalty taker at the point of him actually kicking the ball.

Tall Paul wrote:How will it be restarted? Presumably with a goalkick?

Stop asking awkward questions

They didn't explain that when I saw the info - I'm assuming a defensive free kick.

[quote="ClaretTony"]No longer required to go to the half way line where the player coming on is waiting. quote]

but can still do if desired...sub of winning team will still take the 'long and winding road' to the half way line -
and also embrace everone within 50 yards!

martin_p wrote:Precisely. Are teams going to have to nominate attacking players before the match? I’ve always been of the opinion that every player is a defender when the opposition has the ball.

It just means a player from the team who is taking the free kick.

martin_p wrote:Precisely. Are teams going to have to nominate attacking players before the match? I’ve always been of the opinion that every player is a defender when the opposition has the ball.

It means the team in possession of the free-kick. So only opposition players in the wall.

claptrappers_union wrote:It means the team in possession of the free-kick. So only opposition players in the wall.

Ah ok. Badly worded for idiots like me! I guess that makes some sense. The next question is how far away from the wall will an attacking player need to be to not be considered part of it?

ClaretTony wrote:Stop asking awkward questions

They didn't explain that when I saw the info - I'm assuming a defensive free kick.

I was asking because I was wondering if it's a goalkick, would it be a goalkick if the keeper deflects it behind or still a corner?

I don't mind these, I suppose the encroachment thing is an easy solution. Although it does deprive us of that moment fans celebrate a save only for the rebound to be slammed in.

ClaretTony wrote:Stop asking awkward questions

They didn't explain that when I saw the info - I'm assuming a defensive free kick.

I seem to remember when first talked about it would be a GK.

But given you can’t be offside from a GK will you now get players lining up in the opposite box to where the penalty is taken for a quick attack if it’s missed?

Not sure if I agree on the first one. Isn't it inconsistent to penalize attacker handling ball even if accidental, but defender is only penalized if it is deemed deliberate?

claretblue wrote:sub of winning team will still take the 'long and winding road' to the half way line -
and also embrace everone within 50 yards!

No he won't - he'll be told to leave the field at the closest point, that's the whole reason for making the change.

The penalty and wall rules are rubbish. Why do they think we signed Peter Crouch?

Oh good. That's all the important stuff taken care of.

The substitution one isnt quite correct. They are proposing that it be at the nearest touchline to where the player is.
They will then have to walk round to the dug outs or disappear down the tunnel.
Saying anywhere.. just imagine. Player down by the beehole and decides to walk all the way up to the cricket field stand because that's where they choose to go off.

OffTheBar wrote:I seem to remember when first talked about it would be a GK.

But given you can’t be offside from a GK will you now get players lining up in the opposite box to where the penalty is taken for a quick attack if it’s missed?

I don't think so. Defenders will just mark them as they do for any goal kick.

Hand ball... they are suggesting natural sillouhette of a player is fine. Therefore no more arms behind the back for the defenders.
However any goal scored deliberately or otherwise will be chalked off.

Opens big debate and referees opinion what is natural sillouhette

The substitution rule could be more easily overcome with a 15 second timer on the electric board. If the subbed player is not off within the 15 seconds, he would still have to leave the field but the sub could not come on till the next break in play.

Presumably in the wall, the attackers will be able to stand in front of the ref's white line, or a yard behind it (though I don't see why they would want to) but not on it.

With penalties, will it still be a goal if the ball hits the post, bounces onto the goalkeeper, and goes in?

My reading of these is that three of them (subs, penalties and the wall) have been changed because referees are unable to control these effectively (i.e. don’t clamp down on time wasting, allow/ miss encroachment and can’t/ don’t/ won’t stop pushing and shoving in the wall).

Can’t they just get competent officials?

dpinsussex wrote:Hand ball... they are suggesting natural sillouhette of a player is fine. Therefore no more arms behind the back for the defenders.
However any goal scored deliberately or otherwise will be chalked off.

Opens big debate and referees opinion what is natural sillouhette

Will it be any different to the debate we have now over whether hands/arms are in an unnatural position? I think it's a bit clearer if anything.

TheFamilyCat wrote:My reading of these is that three of them (subs, penalties and the wall) have been changed because referees are unable to control these effectively (i.e. don’t clamp down on time wasting, allow/ miss encroachment and can’t/ don’t/ won’t stop pushing and shoving in the wall).

Can’t they just get competent officials?

Or players that dont moan like mad every time you try and do your job properly.
Sometimes it just isnt worth the aggro.

Tall Paul wrote:Will it be any different to the debate we have now over whether hands/arms are in an unnatural position? I think it's a bit clearer if anything.

Fair point.
If only a bit clearer why bother making the change?

The penalty one is ridiculous, one of the best parts of football is the melee that follows a missed penalty, then the chaotic high fives and backslapping for the keeper. It’s just one other way the game is becoming sterilised.

The substitute one and the handball one seem sensible enough.

martin_p wrote:Precisely. Are teams going to have to nominate attacking players before the match? I’ve always been of the opinion that every player is a defender when the opposition has the ball.

I think it means players from the attacking team may not join the defending teams defensive wall.

But I'm not sure, it's written a bit ambiguously.

dsr wrote:With penalties, will it still be a goal if the ball hits the post, bounces onto the goalkeeper, and goes in?

It'll be the same rules as in a penalty shootout, so I don't think it will.

The 4th one is impossible to implement

Dyched wrote:The 4th one is impossible to implement

Almost certainly considering the number of laws refs already don't bother with.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I think the sub one is a very good idea, some teams make their substitutions drag out.

It’s a good idea if they enforce the sub to be removed at the nearest exit point off the pitch. This will not solve time wasting but will only benefit teams chasing the game who will want to sub quicker. Surely the whole point of this should be to stop time wasting during substitutions.

Tall Paul wrote:It'll be the same rules as in a penalty shootout, so I don't think it will.

In a penalty shootout, that would be a goal. It happened with (I think) France - maybe v. Brazil? a good few years ago, and the ref gave it, and FIFA later confirmed that was correct.

It would be hard to disallow because if the ball hits the post and bounces along the goalline before hitting the jkeeper and going in, who is to say whether it would have gone in anyway?

In reference to the accidental handball goals being disallowed - does that also apply if a defender accidentally handles the ball into the net? Are we going to see an increase of defenders (who are on the line for a corner for example) trying to get their hand/arm to "accidentally" brush the ball on the way in so they can claim it was accidental and therefore should be disallowed? Or am I over complicating it...?

dsr wrote:In a penalty shootout, that would be a goal. It happened with (I think) France - maybe v. Brazil? a good few years ago, and the ref gave it, and FIFA later confirmed that was correct.

It would be hard to disallow because if the ball hits the post and bounces along the goalline before hitting the jkeeper and going in, who is to say whether it would have gone in anyway?

Fair enough. It'll be the same rules as a penalty shootout, so I think it will.

ClaretTony wrote:No he won't - he'll be told to leave the field at the closest point, that's the whole reason for making the change.

I’m glad something is finally being done about it. Watching players do that fake jog that is slower than walking is really frustrating.

Time they clamped down on keepers stepping off their goal line before the pens are taken as well,there's been several instances this season alone,and the kick wasn't allowed to be retaken,i recall Pickford possibly got away with this during the Colombian shoot-out.

You'll probably find they are tough for a few months and then everything reverts to type,just like they where giving pens all over the place for defenders shirt-pulling in the box at corners/free kicks and after a while they just ignored it,i can see this with the sub rule especially.

So under the new handball rule Koscielny's goal at the turf wouldn't have counted,i can see controversy with that one,there shouldn't be but the big clubs won't be happy.

dsr wrote:In a penalty shootout, that would be a goal. It happened with (I think) France - maybe v. Brazil? a good few years ago, and the ref gave it, and FIFA later confirmed that was correct.

It would be hard to disallow because if the ball hits the post and bounces along the goalline before hitting the jkeeper and going in, who is to say whether it would have gone in anyway?

Surely best way would be play till the ball goes "dead"?

tiger76 wrote:So under the new handball rule Koscielny's goal at the turf wouldn't have counted,i can see controversy with that one,there shouldn't be but the big clubs won't be happy.

Unfortunately it would because Pawson didn’t see the handball. But in theory that goal would be disallowed as would the one Sam Vokes scores to beat Leicester in the same season.

ClaretTony wrote:Unfortunately it would because Pawson didn’t see the handball. But in theory that goal would be disallowed as would the one Sam Vokes scores to beat Leicester in the same season.

But VAR would catch both, surely?

thatdberight wrote:But VAR would catch both, surely?

I’ll reserve judgement on VAR

Would this still be a goal, under the new rules ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRN99zNjRHY

ClaretTony wrote:I’ll reserve judgement on VAR

I won't. Garbage.

The penalty and wall rule changes are daft, if players encroach then book them ffs. What if nobody encroached and the taker knocks in the rebound, why should the penalised get away with one.
Similar with players in the wall, so what, the only reason for these changes is to take the potential flak away from incompetent officials. If they aren't up to the job they shouldn't be doing it.

The others I have no problem with.