Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks

Not able to help with that one, but I'm sure I once attended an England v Scotland schoolboy international at The Turf back in the late sixties. (Or am I mistaken?)

jdrobbo wrote:Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks

1993

Dark Cloud wrote:Not able to help with that one, but I'm sure I once attended an England v Scotland schoolboy international at The Turf back in the late sixties. (Or am I mistaken?)

I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!

jdrobbo wrote:Hi everyone,

I visited the old Wembley twice. The second time was our game v Stockport in 94. Prior to that, I had gone with my primary school to watch England play Scotland in a schoolboys game.

It must’ve been 92 or 93 and I remember Scotland won after England had gone in front.

I’d love to find out who played that day and to see if any players went on to have a decent career in the game.

If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d appreciate it.

Thanks

Was it the Smith's crisps international challenge cup? March 1993?

I suspect, looking at the provided table (thanks for that), that it must’ve been 1991. I’m sure Scotland won the game.

Scotland won 2- 1 at Wembley 1993
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records are more likely available through a library than online - if my quick trawl is anything to go by

That will definitely be it then, thank you!

Thanks folks

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Claret wrote:I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!

I'm glad I remembered it right. We got tickets through primary school and sat in the old Brunshaw Rd stand. I was used to it tbh as my dad would take us in there for Clarets matches.

Dark Cloud wrote:I'm glad I remembered it right. We got tickets through primary school and sat in the old Brunshaw Rd stand. I was used to it tbh as my dad would take us in there for Clarets matches.

Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.

Geoff Thomas got 9 England Schoolboy caps in 1991.....
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Claret wrote:I went to that one - 1966 or 67? May even have been 68.
It was my first visit to Turf Moor. The thing that struck me was how green the grass was. Of course, it was only grey on th telly!

That was in 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.

Claret wrote:Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.

The game took place in 1969 and finished 2-0 to Scotland.

Claret wrote:Yep - tickets via primary school. I was in the enclosure in front of you. No idea what score or the exact year.

It was 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.

Must have been early 1969 as the very last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand was against Sunderland on 23rd April 1969. We then suffered for almost five years with a three sided ground before the first game in the Bob Lord against Villa on 16th Feb. 1974.

jdrobbo wrote:I suspect, looking at the provided table (thanks for that), that it must’ve been 1991. I’m sure Scotland won the game.

Line-up from a 1991 friendly a month later:

Royboyclaret wrote:It was 1969 and Scotland won 2-0.

Must have been early 1969 as the very last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand was against Sunderland on 23rd April 1969. We then suffered for almost five years with a three sided ground before the first game in the Bob Lord against Villa on 16th Feb. 1974.

I definitely kept the programme for the schoolboy international for many years afterwards, but eventually I lost it, or just forgot where I put it!!!

I still have 2 or 3 of those programmes

Paul Tisdale, listed on the team sheet, is the MKDons manager.

It’s definitely the 1993 match I attended. I’ve got the Scottish FA onto it. They said they’d get back to me!

Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names

Aah fiddle the Gate days..... Both cricketfield and Bob Lord Stand full.. gate given as I remember was just over 4.000

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Didnt attend that game. But did go to the under 21s vs latvia. Ian Pearce got booed all game.

Also went to england school boys vs wales. Still have the program. Recognise any names

Intersting that the one player who went on to have a massive career was not one of the kids signed up for the F.A. National School

bfcmik wrote:Intersting that the one player who went on to have a massive career was not one of the kids signed up for the F.A. National School

As well as Neville, I presume that the Daniel Murphy ( Chester ) is the same Danny Murphy of Spurs, England and latterly MOTD fame, another not picked up by the F.A. National School ..

Stephen Hughes, Arsenal & Everton. Amongst clubs.

I saw a few good players play for England schoolboys:

Nicky Butt
Nicky Barmby
Michael Owen

Also a lad called Ryan Walsh who later adopted his Dad's surname and opted to play for Wales.

edit - misremembered his name which apparently was Wilson.

I've just noticed from that programme that the match ball was sponsored by BANK HALL FINANCIAL SERVISES. senior consultant John Haworth.

With help from the Scottish Schools F.A, I have obtained team information for the Scotland side who defeated England. Andy O’Brien (later of Ireland) and Paul McShane appear to be the standout names. I’ve contacted the English Schools FA, in the hope of receiving something similar.

jdrobbo wrote:With help from the Scottish Schools F.A, I have obtained team information for the Scotland side who defeated England. Andy O’Brien (later of Ireland) and Paul McShane appear to be the standout names. I’ve contacted the English Schools FA, in the hope of receiving something similar.

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Sorry, jd but Paul McShane was schooled in Wicklow and Andy O’Brien in Harrogate, both Rep of Ireland internationals. You might have been thinking Paul McStay?

Clarets4me wrote:As well as Neville, I presume that the Daniel Murphy ( Chester ) is the same Danny Murphy of Spurs, England and latterly MOTD fame, another not picked up by the F.A. National School ..

The Daniel Murphy is very definitely the same Danny Murphy now on Match of the Day. I was sat behind his uncle for that game who had just left Burnley - a certain Ron Futcher.

Tricky Trevor wrote:Sorry, jd but Paul McShane was schooled in Wicklow and Andy O’Brien in Harrogate, both Rep of Ireland internationals. You might have been thinking Paul McStay?

The Paul McShane on that team sheet was at Rangers but emigrated and played football in Iceland. His son is Hilmar McShane who plays league football now in Iceland.

ClaretTony wrote:The Paul McShane on that team sheet was at Rangers but emigrated and played football in Iceland. His son is Hilmar McShane who plays league football now in Iceland.

Cheers for that. Don’t know the guy but on checking the Irish Paul McShane would only have been 7 and that would be an age group record.

https://schoolsfootball.org/internation ... formances/

This link allows you to check previous squad lists back to 2009.

The only pro I recognise from that year is James Norwood of Tranmere

I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football

Have we had many schoolboy internationals sign for us first?
Trevor Steven immediately comes to mind. The post above says Harry Wilson and I think from memory that Derek Scott did but can find no proof.

Petersa wrote:I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football

he did, derek johnstone was playing for the scots who ended up a big name at rangers

If it was the the Smith's crisps international challenge cup? March 1980's then I went to help out with my school team - Chorley Duke St CP with Clive Ackary as manager, to assist him as he was quite poorly and on crutches at the time so couldn't manage all the running about. The team had the England dressing room prior to the main match and Steve Coppull shook the team's hands and mine in the line up. It was great thrill to walk out of the old Wembley tunnel. Each boy had a football to carry out and warm up with and so with me at the back, I asked the last boy in the line to drop the football he was carrying then I did a bit of a dribble and then he picked it up and I can now claim that I kicked a ball on the pitch at Wembley.

And the boy who kindly obeyed my request - that was David Unsworth who went on to have a very good career !!

Tricky Trevor wrote:Have we had many schoolboy internationals sign for us first?
Trevor Steven immediately comes to mind. The post above says Harry Wilson and I think from memory that Derek Scott did but can find no proof.

Aiden Stone signed for us from the 2017 side at the link above

Petersa wrote:I remember the 1969 game...I think! Harry Wilson later to play for Burnley played for England. I know he went to Brighton then Preston and came back to Burnley as a coach when he finished playing but not for long. I presume he must have left football

Harry Wilson coached at Burnley for a good number of years. He then went to work for the Football League but I’ve not seen him now for some time.

Just reading Dave Roberts excellent book “32 Programmes” & no.3 is England Schools v German Schools on April 30th 1966.One D.Thomas(Bishop Auckland) scored the winner.He was also 220 yds junior sprint champion.It must be our DT surely & if so I saw his debut in my first ever Burnley league game in May 1967.Described as a tricky winger in the book…not arf!