Dyche hinting that we are not ready yet for European shopping

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Nobody plays things down quite like Dyche does.

Being so open can't help much when it comes to negotiating fees.

Wonder if that rules out overseas players currently playing on the continent who have previously had spells playing in the Premier League?

JohnDearyMe wrote:Wonder if that rules out overseas players currently playing on the continent who have previously had spells playing in the Premier League?

That's an interesting point. When I wrote the article I wondered whether to include Vossen given that he'd been at Middlesbrough. It certainly doesn't exclude players who are playing in England though, JBG is an example of that.

If our policy is to keep buying British then we have to accept that you'll pay over the odds. Something we've seemed unable to grasp in recent years.

jrgbfc wrote:If our policy is to keep buying British then we have to accept that you'll pay over the odds. Something we've seemed unable to grasp in recent years.

Over the odds, or just quite not good enough to go into the starting 11.

You rarely get a good deal, or a player able to slot straight in unless you pay over the odds ( whether that's fees or wages ) and/or beat of a rival. Something we incapable of doing.

* not a dig, just a fact of how we operate *

I don't think Dyche will ever be ready to shop anywhere else. We hear the same every summer transfer window, if he had any serious intention of shopping abroad he would have employed people to go find the players and get the deals done.

It's not just a Dyche thing though (although admittedly highlighted more with being in Prem)
Can't recall any Burnley manager having much success in buying from abroad

jrgbfc wrote:If our policy is to keep buying British then we have to accept that you'll pay over the odds. Something we've seemed unable to grasp in recent years.

No evidence of that whatsoever.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:I don't think Dyche will ever be ready to shop anywhere else. We hear the same every summer transfer window, if he had any serious intention of shopping abroad he would have employed people to go find the players and get the deals done.

He’s said that we are adding layers but he won’t move in there until he’s convinced. He’s too thorough to do that.

jrgbfc wrote:If our policy is to keep buying British then we have to accept that you'll pay over the odds. Something we've seemed unable to grasp in recent years.

But then we get over the odds when selling on

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:I don't think Dyche will ever be ready to shop anywhere else. We hear the same every summer transfer window, if he had any serious intention of shopping abroad he would have employed people to go find the players and get the deals done.

I thought we had appointed someone for developing a European scouting network.

I'm always slightly surprised at how candid we are in these matters. In many respects, its a great strength to be so honest with fans - but equally it does seem to show our hand a bit. It can't be helpful that Birmingham now know we don't have an alternative from the continent lined up if Che Adams doesn't come off, for example. it might be smoke and mirrors but history suggests it's genuine.

I must say that after 3 years in the Premier League, I was expecting us to have a slightly broader approach to recruitment. I have a lot of sympathy with the observation that players from abroad can take time to settle or may not settle at all (Brighton for example played the European market last summer, but those recruits had very little impact last season) and that's often a risk we cannot afford to run. But at the same time I'm surprised that after 3 years we seem to have become less confident in our dealings on the continent rather than more, and there does not seem to be any appetite to take a bit more risk with players who could improve us in the medium term in positions where we're currently well enough stocked (e.g. out wide) and so can sustain a bit more risk.

Dyche's approach to transfers is evidentially to de-risk it by knowing almost everything about every target, and to not compromise in pursuit of his preferred targets if he can possibly help it. That's fine and very laudable, but it does narrow dramatically the pool we are fishing in. That's fine if the chairman's parameters on finance are flexible enough to permit that level of single-mindedness, but the danger is that they each draw very small circles, and the overlap between the two becomes even smaller as a result. it's hard to avoid suspecting that this caused us some problems last summer, and we certainly need to avoid that becoming a crippling problem if we're to be more successful in the market this summer.

claretspice wrote:it's hard to avoid suspecting that this caused us some problems last summer, and we certainly need to avoid that becoming a crippling problem if we're to be more successful in the market this summer.

The daft transfer window caused us problems last year because ours closes before the rest of Europe. We were close to a winger from Hamburg but he hung on and got a move back to the Bundesliga just before their window closed.

We know how thorough the manager is in terms of bringing in players, wanting chapter and verse on him, but it’s that thoroughness that’s got us where we are. I’m more than happy to let the manager be the judge on this one.

I first heard the quote from SD aired on Sky towards the end of the season. It's common sense, however I'll be surprised if there's no incomings from Europe or further afield in the next few months. He's certainly not said he's exclusively only looking at the British and Irish market.

It’s definitely a strange position to adopt.
You’d think that in this global age and with the ridiculous amount of money washing about in the Premier League that there would be some individual or a specialist agency who could do this work for us on commercial terms which rewarded them for finding any suitable players.
I know Dyche places a great deal of emphasis on the character of the individuals which I agree for a club like Burnley is key for not only financial reasons but primarily for the culture and ethos Dyche has built. But again surely we could do the same level of investigation into foreign players as we do for home players.
Yes many foreign players take time to settle - but actually so do many home grown players...and in the same way some foreign and homegrown players hit the ground running.

As a club we do a hell of a lot of things right but I don’t think this area is one of them. We should be taking this policy out of the hands of Dyche and the owners should be taking a more long term and strategic outlook - even if this is bringing in specialist expertise as clearly we do not have this in-house. SD’s input is of course to outline the types of players he needs including the character he is looking for - where they come from in the world should be irrelevant. If a foreign player that is put forward to him does not tick enough of his boxes it’s exactly the same as if a homegrown player does not tick all the boxes - as long as SD has the final decision on whether he wants the player (assuming all the personal terms, transfer fee is within our owners requirements)

I want the manager of my football club to give the chairman a small list of players that he is interested in. I expect Mike Rigg to do the background and liaise with SD and chairman. During the course of this work I expect the agent concerned to be sounded out so that we can see if there is a chance that the player might consider a move to Burnley. If it’s green lights all round contact the club, player and agent in appropriate fashion. Hopefully we don’t get to the stage where the list just grows and grows.

ClaretTony wrote:The daft transfer window caused us problems last year because ours closes before the rest of Europe. We were close to a winger from Hamburg but he hung on and got a move back to the Bundesliga just before their window closed.

We know how thorough the manager is in terms of bringing in players, wanting chapter and verse on him, but it’s that thoroughness that’s got us where we are. I’m more than happy to let the manager be the judge on this one.

Was that not more to do with him going back to his old club and staying in his home country late in his career?
I'm sure we could have blown them away regards package, if he wanted 1 last pay day.

ClaretTony wrote:The daft transfer window caused us problems last year because ours closes before the rest of Europe. We were close to a winger from Hamburg but he hung on and got a move back to the Bundesliga just before their window closed.

We know how thorough the manager is in terms of bringing in players, wanting chapter and verse on him, but it’s that thoroughness that’s got us where we are. I’m more than happy to let the manager be the judge on this one.

I don't disagree Tony. But - the more successful we are, and therefore the more difficult it is to replicate the quality we have or improve upon it, the harder it becomes to reconcile that approach with our approach to budgets.

Whilst I don't think our need to recruit is as urgent as many others suggest, it's obvious that if we don't evolve the squad, at some point it will get stale/too old, and we'll probably end up wishing we'd shown just a little more flexibility here or there. We'd all prefer that the budget stretched to enable Dyche to get his preferred signings, but we all know that there's a limit to how far it can be stretched - which means that at that the only way to bring players in will be for Dyche to show a little bit more flexibility/bravery.

So that narrows it down a bit:

Top scorer in the Championship (but the top two are already promoted)

the usual: Dawson and Jay Rod

Back in for Che Adams and the Derby fullback

Spotted this today don’t know how much credence to give it but thought I’d share it all the same
https://www.clubcall.com/transfers/2019 ... -interest/

Stickers wrote:Spotted this today don’t know how much credence to give it but thought I’d share it all the same
https://www.clubcall.com/transfers/2019 ... -interest/

I’m not saying there is nothing in it but that’s a website I wouldn’t trust for transfer info.

Yes as I said I don’t now how much creadance to give it but the report it talks about in the Belgium press is there but couldn’t tell you what it says https://plus.lesoir.be/227357/article/2 ... r-le-belge

Be great if we can get some sort of fee and free his wages up. Would certainly give us a bit more to play with in any summer transfer dealings.

Think it's safe to say we've seen the best of Defour, also possibly the last of him.

[quote="TVC15"]It’s definitely a strange position to adopt.
You’d think that in this global age and with the ridiculous amount of money washing about in the Premier League that there would be some individual or a specialist agency who could do this work for us on commercial terms which rewarded them for finding any suitable players.
I know Dyche places a great deal of emphasis on the character of the individuals which I agree for a club like Burnley is key for not only financial reasons but primarily for the culture and ethos Dyche has built. But again surely we could do the same level of investigation into foreign players as we do for home players.
Yes many foreign players take time to settle - but actually so do many home grown players...and in the same way some foreign and homegrown players hit the ground running.

A settling-in period should be the least of our worries...... nobody gets into the 1st XI straight away at Burnley- a settling in period is compulsory!

Just as it was at Liverpool when Shanks ruled the roost.

Dyche ensures the family shop is either Waitrose or Sainsbury none of that Aldi and Lidl nonsense.

kentonclaret wrote:Dyche ensures the family shop is either Waitrose or Sainsbury none of that Aldi and Lidl nonsense.

But we then spend all summer whingeing that we can't afford anything in Waitrose or Sainsbury's......

"But we then spend all summer whinging that we can't afford anything in Waitrose or Sainsbury's"


We can always pick up an item in the reduction aisle with a short shelf life such as Peter Crouch.

I find this somewhat strange to be honest.
We employ a so-called 'European scout' and get zilch in from Europe.
Anyway, the choice appears to be made so we just will have to see whether it is the right one (I'm not convinced)

Whoever we've employed to 'scout' the continent for us must be absolutely laughing his tits off. Just give the bloke a bag of free money and have done with it.

He's got a job in name only, knowing full well that it doesn't matter how hard he scouts someone, it'll make not one jot of difference to our plans.

How did we manage to get the likes of Papadopoulos, Michopoulos and Gnohere nearly 20 years ago ?

Suratclaret wrote:I thought we had appointed someone for developing a European scouting network.

That's the good news.
The bad news is it's Nigel Farage.

Anyway, foreign signings or not, if we have another summer like the last I think we'll go down.

The squad showed it's frailties and weaknesses last season, and whilst the second half of the season was brilliant, we were displaying champions league form just to stay up. That surely won't continue into next season.

Transfer windows have often been painful experiences for us under Dyche, with the odd surprise thrown in. Let's hope it's one of those surprise ones.

randomclaret2 wrote:How did we manage to get the likes of Papadopoulos, Michopoulos and Gnohere nearly 20 years ago ?

Didn’t Niko just turn up and ask for a trial?

He may well have done but we also had other European players at the time as well as as plenty of triallists from abroad.Most werent the greatest but we must have had some kind of set up to get these guys in.

ksrclaret wrote:Whoever we've employed to 'scout' the continent for us must be absolutely laughing his tits off. Just give the bloke a bag of free money and have done with it.

He's got a job in name only, knowing full well that it doesn't matter how hard he scouts someone, it'll make not one jot of difference to our plans.

Well, I imagine he's scouting all the time and will have a dossier on the best that he sees. In truth, unless their agents contact BFC I don't see us going out there and putting bids in on random players from Europe.

Disappointing to saybthe least. But not surprising.

Try not to get excited about transfer windows any more. Its the best approach.

At least weve got our excuses in plenty early this year.

If they insist on not shopping abroad though, lets not be hearing excuses about 'the market we are operating in'.

Maybe it's all a smokescreen?
And we'll bring in a couple of unknowns who turn out to be
just what we were looking for.

You would have thought that after 3 seasons in the Premiership
we'd have a reasonable network set up and access to some decent oversea players.

jurek wrote:Maybe it's all a smokescreen?
And we'll bring in a couple of unknowns who turn out to be
just what we were looking for.

You would have thought that after 3 seasons in the Premiership
we'd have a reasonable network set up and access to some decent oversea players.

Maybe. And i hope so. But its less likely to be a smokescreen than the reality.

I don't know with this one to be honest.

We do seem to be completely risk averse, and its certainly not cost us so far (last season being put down to injuries, lack of form and a chaotic start)

And we have started to move players on who we know (deep down) that are not good enough for the premier league.

As always it will be much more relevant at the end of the transfer window when we see who we have bought in, but just looking at how Brighton signings completely failed does suggest "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

bfcjg wrote:That's the good news.
The bad news is it's Nigel Farage.

At least he got into Europe

If we can bring in 2 or 3 more young ones like Taylor and McNeil, I would be extremely happy and maybe a couple of older experienced heads not 30 plus though.

Don't really care where we get our players from.

Grosicki & Andone

Both nearly played for us. Have either done much, enough to rue us not signing them? Both have likely dropped in sell on value from their 'big' moves from Europe to the Premier League.
A good example of the 'disappearing' these kind of players can do, we only remember the ones who made an impact like Mahrez, not the dozens who made a news headline then just fade away.

CombatClaret wrote:Don't really care where we get our players from.

Grosicki & Andone

Both nearly played for us. Have either done much, enough to rue us not signing them? Both have likely dropped in sell on value from their 'big' moves from Europe to the Premier League.
A good example of the 'disappearing' these kind of players can do, we only remember the ones who made an impact like Mahrez, not the dozens who made a news headline then just fade away.

A lot also struggle with Premier League football, different to the way a lot of them play tippy tappy football on the continent, a lot harder and more physical than we realize.

If we have to buy from this country, that’s fine but we should be amongst the very best at doing this, after all other clubs also have to focus on Europe as well

CombatClaret wrote:Don't really care where we get our players from.

Grosicki & Andone

Both nearly played for us. Have either done much, enough to rue us not signing them? Both have likely dropped in sell on value from their 'big' moves from Europe to the Premier League.
A good example of the 'disappearing' these kind of players can do, we only remember the ones who made an impact like Mahrez, not the dozens who made a news headline then just fade away.

Didnt see the big deal with Andone. But would have liked to have gone for Grosicki.

In a crap hull side he has contributed over 40 goals and assists in 3 years. He cost 8m. He looked good value at the time and has proved as much since.

Centre mid has to be our absolute top priority this summer. Cork looks knackered after playing pretty much every game for the last 2 years and I don't think we can expect Westwood to perform at a similar level again all season.

ClaretTony wrote:The daft transfer window caused us problems last year because ours closes before the rest of Europe. We were close to a winger from Hamburg but he hung on and got a move back to the Bundesliga just before their window closed.

We know how thorough the manager is in terms of bringing in players, wanting chapter and verse on him, but it’s that thoroughness that’s got us where we are. I’m more than happy to let the manager be the judge on this one.

I can't understand why we would pursue a winger ( or any player ) who obviously didn't want to come to Burnley.
It certainly must have been of an interest to his agent as he probably strung the negotiations on for a while but how on earth can we have a system ( or non system) that can't detect such time wasters.