• Vettel time penalty

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:53 pm**

Here's the onboard of Seb's "incident" that got him a 5 second penalty int he Canadian GP today, for unsafe re-entry to the track that forced another driver off the track.

At the risk of being accused of virtue-signalling by Damo, what's he supposed to do here exactly to prevent an unsafe re-entry?

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Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:58 pm**

Stay in control of his car and remain on the track.

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:00 pm**

Unsafe re-entry eh ?

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:03 pm**

randomclaret2 wrote:Unsafe re-entry eh ?

Should have taken precautions!

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:03 pm**

claretjohn33505 wrote:Stay in control of his car and remain on the track.

At the risk of being accused of virtue-signalling by Damo, that's a fair point. I did consider that and rejected it myself because it's not specifically what they're accusing him of. But i suppose they don't say that the re-entry has to be intentional, so I think your point has merit.

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:09 pm**

Use his brakes so he didn't re-enter onto Hamilton's racing line.

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:21 pm**

taio wrote:Use his brakes so he didn't re-enter onto Hamilton's racing line.

At those speeds and being on grass perhaps using brakes wouldn't be the best course of action.... Had he tried to do that he would probably have taken both himself and Hamilton out.

Its unfortunate ... but the laws have been folliwed to the letter. Vettel is and was big enough to accept it (sort of) and does not blame Hamilton (how could he)

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:05 pm**

Not a fan of Vettel, but he did exceptionally well to avoid a massive impact as a result of that and he had no other course of action once his rear end stepped out. You could argue that he shouldn’t be on the edge and as such risk his rear end stepping out, but then if that’s the case you all might as well watch Bingo instead.

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:22 pm**

Extremely harsh imo.

Driving on slicks on grass would be like driving on ice. You can see how much he is fighting to prevent any kind if crash/collision.

Posted: **Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:27 pm**

I’d rather he’d been told to cede the place than a 5 sec penalty. In a sport where track position is vital he could still have gone on to win by more than 5secs. Hamilton had earned the lead by pushing Vettel into his error. The lead should have been handed over.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:19 am**

I think what you are seeing is that Ferrari would never have been given that when Ecclestone owned F1 - others would have now they are getting some of the treatment others have.

I cannot stand Vettel, I thought he could have done better, someone of his experience should not be shaken into mistakes like that so regularly

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:14 am**

Dyched wrote:Driving on slicks on grass would be like driving on ice. You can see how much he is fighting to prevent any kind if crash/collision.

Bosscat wrote:At those speeds and being on grass perhaps using brakes wouldn't be the best course of action.... Had he tried to do that he would probably have taken both himself and Hamilton out.

All he had to do was lift his foot off the throttle and he would have lost 25-30mph in a second - no need for braking. Then wait for long enough to avoid the collision and that would have put him back on the track behind Lewis.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:20 am**

Bosscat wrote:Vettel is and was big enough to accept it (sort of) and does not blame Hamilton (how could he)

But his team isn't: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14399 ... el-penalty

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:52 am**

Tricky Trevor wrote:I’d rather he’d been told to cede the place than a 5 sec penalty. In a sport where track position is vital he could still have gone on to win by more than 5secs. Hamilton had earned the lead by pushing Vettel into his error. The lead should have been handed over.

Was that an option? That would have been fairer.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:13 am**

F1 is done,Vettel was robbed.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:19 am**

You notice the sharp turn to the right on the steering wheel as he rejoins the circuit, to ensure his car goes into the path of Hamilton. That is not oversteer because he should have come off the power. In my opinion it is a deliberate move to prevent Hamilton passing him, cynical by Vettel and he got what he deserved with the time penalty.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:21 am**

Herts Clarets wrote:You notice the sharp turn to the right on the steering wheel as he rejoins the circuit, to ensure his car goes into the path of Hamilton. That is not oversteer because he should have come off the power. .

That is probably what the Race Official based his decision on....

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:46 am**

Herts Clarets wrote:You notice the sharp turn to the right on the steering wheel as he rejoins the circuit, to ensure his car goes into the path of Hamilton. That is not oversteer because he should have come off the power. In my opinion it is a deliberate move to prevent Hamilton passing him, cynical by Vettel and he got what he deserved with the time penalty.

I noticed it.
I don't know if it was I intentional, but like football it shouldnt matter, if you gain an advantage from a mistaken tackle it's still a foul.
It WAS clear that Hamiltom had to break to avoid hitting the wall, that being the case the stewards had no option. Sad for Vettel maybe, but the right decision.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:50 am**

Herts Clarets wrote:You notice the sharp turn to the right on the steering wheel as he rejoins the circuit, to ensure his car goes into the path of Hamilton. That is not oversteer because he should have come off the power. In my opinion it is a deliberate move to prevent Hamilton passing him, cynical by Vettel and he got what he deserved with the time penalty.

After watching it a few more times I agree.

I think it’s might be time to say that Hamilton is one of if the not the greatest ever. Vettel hasn’t laid a glove on him for the past 18 months or so since Ferrari have become challengers.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:58 am**

Dyched wrote:After watching it a few more times I agree.

I think it’s might be time to say that Hamilton is one of if the not the greatest ever. Vettel hasn’t laid a glove on him for the past 18 months or so since Ferrari have become challengers.

Hamilton is a fine driver,but I think it's his car that's the greatest ever,im not knocking Hamilton....it just is.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:02 am**

Steve1956 wrote:Hamilton is a fine driver,but I think it's his car that's the greatest ever,im not knocking Hamilton....it just is.

There is that. Vettel had his dominance in the Red Bull a few years back just like Hamilton is having his. Vettel had the car last year to challenge. He had the lead too in the Championship. But when Hamilton put the pressure on Vettel made mistake after mistake after mistake.

Hamilton never seems to lock up, spin, or do anything wrong.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:38 am**

On 16 secs in that clip, massive twitch to the right after he's back on the track to defend his position. That is what nearly put Hamilton in the wall. As mentioned above if he'd come off the throttle he wouldn't have been penalised. He'd have lost a place, but his mistake warranted that outcome. Instead he took his chances and left the decision in the hands of officials. They made the right call.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:43 am**

Burnley Ace wrote:Was that an option? That would have been fairer.

I don’t believe it is but it should be.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am**

Herts Clarets wrote:You notice the sharp turn to the right on the steering wheel as he rejoins the circuit, to ensure his car goes into the path of Hamilton. That is not oversteer because he should have come off the power. In my opinion it is a deliberate move to prevent Hamilton passing him, cynical by Vettel and he got what he deserved with the time penalty.

Well spotted, I concur now you’ve pointed it out.

I can go back to my complete dislike of Vettel again

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:57 am**

Rick_Muller wrote:Well spotted, I concur now you’ve pointed it out.

I can go back to my complete dislike of Vettel again

Vettel is a World Champion at sulking....yesterday's sulk was brilliant with the camera chasing after him,WTF was pushing his car all about?

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:59 am**

Hamilton is the best in F1 history

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:09 am**

CFS wrote:Hamilton is the best in F1 history

Senna.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:13 am**

All Germans sulk can remember Schmacher storming down the pit lane with the I'm going to kick your f**cking head in look on his face after Coultard had braked in the wet and Schumacer run into the back of him in the wet can't remember were it was but he strutted up and down the pit lane looking for Coulthard.....who was nowhere to be seen

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:21 am**

Steve1956 wrote:All Germans sulk can remember Schmacher storming down the pit lane with the I'm going to kick your f**cking head in look on his face after Coultard had braked in the wet and Schumacer run into the back of him in the wet can't remember were it was but he strutted up and down the pit lane looking for Coulthard.....who was nowhere to be seen

That was Spa Francorchamps late 90s. Proper strop thrown by Schuey. DC was slowing to allow MS to pass him under instruction, but due to the spray MS was unsighted and he piled into the back of the McLaren.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:34 am**

claret wizard wrote:On 16 secs in that clip, massive twitch to the right after he's back on the track to defend his position. That is what nearly put Hamilton in the wall. As mentioned above if he'd come off the throttle he wouldn't have been penalised. He'd have lost a place, but his mistake warranted that outcome. Instead he took his chances and left the decision in the hands of officials. They made the right call.

Exactly this, when reentrying you have to do so without endangering another driver, he purposely drove all the way accross the track to block Hamilton's Line and made him take action to avoid a collusion. Clear penatly. More evidence Vettel is a petulent bottlejobber.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:42 am**

Herts Clarets wrote:That was Spa Francorchamps late 90s. Proper strop thrown by Schuey. DC was slowing to allow MS to pass him under instruction, but due to the spray MS was unsighted and he piled into the back of the McLaren.

The German's fault then,although he'd never admit it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:05 am**

Watching it again it looks like he purposely shuts the overtaking lane away from Hamilton. He shouldnt have entered in on the racing line knowning Hamilton was behind him.

Agree the correct punishment shouldve been to let Hamilton take the place, as that penalty just ruined the end of the race.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:17 pm**

Steve1956 wrote:Hamilton is a fine driver,but I think it's his car that's the greatest ever,im not knocking Hamilton....it just is.

Just a small point but Bottas could not overtake the Renault in the same car.

Both his current team mate and his previous always struggled to beat him in the same equipment. You might want to read about the extra special effort Rosberg put into beating Lewis and knowing he could not do it again immediately retired.
I think you under sell him a little.
But I admit the car makes a big difference in F1.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:22 pm**

We really are very very lucky on this board, not only do we have some of the finest football minds on managing and running a football club, apparently we are also blessed with formula one experts.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:23 pm**

Vettel drove off track and re-entered in a straight line, on the far side of the track, stopping the driver behind, from continuing.

Penalty for sure!

I have checked VAR and this is confirmed!

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:47 pm**

snapcrackleandpop wrote:We really are very very lucky on this board, not only do we have some of the finest football minds on managing and running a football club, apparently we are also blessed with formula one experts.

Any subject, any time on this board.
Now regarding your sex life............

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:48 pm**

The penalty was ridiculous and ruined the race. If's, shoulds, coulds etc irrelevant, it ruined the race.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:50 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote:The penalty was ridiculous and ruined the race. If's, shoulds, coulds etc irrelevant, it ruined the race.

100%

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:57 pm**

snapcrackleandpop wrote:We really are very very lucky on this board, not only do we have some of the finest football minds on managing and running a football club, apparently we are also blessed with formula one experts.

Just remind us of your subject of expertise and we’ll give you a shout when we need it...

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:03 pm**

F1 has hardly been a race for a long time. It's more about the car than the driver these days. Vettel could have stayed off the racing line but he chose not to and the penalty was correct but making Vettel cede a place to Hamilton would have actually made it a race rather than the 5 sec penalty he got.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:05 pm**

snapcrackleandpop wrote:We really are very very lucky on this board, not only do we have some of the finest football minds on managing and running a football club, apparently we are also blessed with formula one experts.

I see you are working as a Sexual advisor.....

When we want your F**king advice we will ask for it

Only joshing m8

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:11 pm**

Firthy wrote:F1 has hardly been a race for a long time. It's more about the car than the driver these days. Vettel could have stayed off the racing line but he chose not to and the penalty was correct but making Vettel cede a place to Hamilton would have actually made it a race rather than the 5 sec penalty he got.

Yeah but that's nowhere in the rules. Maybe they should have advised him to do it before the penalty.

It just beggars belief that they would choose to ruin the first proper race of the season.

French GP next. All about power so we might have a good one like Canada but then again, there's so much runoff there will be very little drama.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:06 pm**

Lowbankclaret wrote:Just a small point but Bottas could not overtake the Renault in the same car.

Both his current team mate and his previous always struggled to beat him in the same equipment. You might want to read about the extra special effort Rosberg put into beating Lewis and knowing he could not do it again immediately retired.
I think you under sell him a little.
But I admit the car makes a big difference in F1.

Love Hamilton Lowbank,but you have to admit he's had the best equipment all his carreer ....even at McClaren he had the best car,no doubt about it he's the best driver in F1 at the mo.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:01 pm**

Steve1956 wrote:Love Hamilton Lowbank,but you have to admit he's had the best equipment all his carreer ....even at McClaren he had the best car,no doubt about it he's the best driver in F1 at the mo.

Every 'best driver ever' has had one of, it not THE, best cars on the grid at the time they were competing. Who ever gets remembered for being the master competitor running 8th-15th with maybe an occasional 5th or, maybe, even a podium place?

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:04 pm**

This is all true in any sport. The best jockeys get the best horses, etc.,

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:33 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote:The penalty was ridiculous and ruined the race. If's, shoulds, coulds etc irrelevant, it ruined the race.

No ifs no buts he rejoined the track dangerously, rules say penalty. Shame that it spoiled the race, would have been great to see Lewis pass him.

Posted: **Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:54 pm**

To the OP:

spoiler title threads really need to be avoided at all costs..

how about 'F1 incident'

Then I don't find out things before I've had chance to watch them.

Posted: **Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:12 am**

Jolyon Palmer on the money

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Posted: **Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:51 pm**

Steve1956 wrote:Love Hamilton Lowbank,but you have to admit he's had the best equipment all his carreer ....even at McClaren he had the best car,no doubt about it he's the best driver in F1 at the mo.

He has had good equipment, the benefit of lucky choices. In the same way Alonso made unlucky choices.

I would like to see Verstappen in the same equipment, that would be a challenge for him.

Posted: **Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:14 pm**

Lowbankclaret wrote:He has had good equipment, the benefit of lucky choices. In the same way Alonso made unlucky choices.

I would like to see Verstappen in the same equipment, that would be a challenge for him.

Agreed Verstappen is almost on a par with Hamilton ,he might even get Hamilton's seat in the future.

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