With actual bodily harm.

middleton claret wrote:With actual bodily harm.

Was he trying to get into Nelson?

tybfc wrote:Was he trying to get into Nelson?

Trying to get out of nelson

I suspect he’ll get Jail if he’s found guilty.

... tries to look surprised... fails...

You’d imagine Fleetwood will now suspend him.

It’s a real shame he can’t control that side of his character, I think he’s got such a lot to offer when he’s not being a dick.

agreenwood wrote:You’d imagine Fleetwood will now suspend him.

Arent Joey and the owner on the same page?

Local cricketer wrote:Arent Joey and the owner on the same page?

Maybe, but it’s rare for someone to be charged with a violent crime and not be suspended. Not least because this incident allegedly took place whilst Barton was “at work” and representing Fleetwood.

He’s clearly got a loose hinge and has some issues but what surprised me was how he held it together on the pitch for us. He was provoked constantly by players and other fans and didn’t react. The only time we really saw it was against Lincoln and I think many would have reacted to that lump Matt Rheed. Think Dyche deserves a lot of credit for how he managed him when plenty of other managers couldn’t.

box_of_frogs wrote:I suspect he’ll get Jail if he’s found guilty.

No chance

Blackrod wrote:He’s clearly got a loose hinge and has some issues but what surprised me was how he held it together on the pitch for us. He was provoked constantly by players and other fans and didn’t react. The only time we really saw it was against Lincoln and I think many would have reacted to that lump Matt Rheed. Think Dyche deserves a lot of credit for how he managed him when plenty of other managers couldn’t.

Perhaps he saw SD as a father figure (something he didn't appear to have much of with his actual father), and therefore didn't want to let him down and just looked up to him.

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theroyaldyche wrote:No chance

If as the previous poster stated he gets "found guilty"at Crown Court then I think there's no doubt he'll be jailed.
It carries a maximum 5 year sentence and he has previous, so I can't see him getting a slap on the wrists or a suspended sentence.

ABH is one of the less serious assault charges.
Even with his previous, I very much doubt that he will receive immediate custody if convicted.

lakedistrictclaret wrote:ABH is one of the less serious assault charges.
Even with his previous, I very much doubt that he will receive immediate custody if convicted.

Actual Bodily Harm (ABH)
What is Actual Bodily Harm?
Assault causing actual bodily harm (ABH) is a criminal offence under Section 47 of the Offences Against the Person Act. ABH involves assault or battery causing actual physical harm to the victim. The harm does not have to be serious, but must involve more than a shove to sustain a charge of ABH. Harm such as bruises, scratches and bite marks is sufficient.

ABH only requires an intention to apply unlawful force to someone, not an intention to cause actual bodily harm. For instance, if someone pushes the victim who then hits his head against a wall, he will have intended to apply unlawful force and could be charged with ABH – even if he did not intend the victim to hurt their head.

Will there be a prison sentence?
ABH carries a maximum sentence of five years and or a fine (depending on the seriousness of the offence).

For a first offence, a fine and or community order may be imposed. If the offender has previous convictions or if there are aggravating factors, a prison sentence is more likely.

FactualFrank wrote:Perhaps he saw SD as a father figure (something he didn't appear to have much of with his actual father), and therefore didn't want to let him down and just looked up to him.

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I agree with you, Frank.

Theres no chance hes going to prison

What did he expect giving the Barnsley manager a Fleetwood Smack ( allegedly )

theroyaldyche wrote:Theres no chance hes going to prison

Based on what, my "learned friend"?
if found guilty what would you be putting forward as mitigating circumstances bearing in mind his previous convictions
[On 1 July 2008, he was given a four-month suspended sentence after admitting assault occasioning actual bodily harm on former teammate Ousmane Dabo during a training-ground dispute. Has this "suspension"expired?, if not and if found guilty then I would have thought that a custodial sentence would be a virtual certainty.]
Of course the crucial proviso is: IF found guilty.

According to the BBC the Barnsley manager needed emergency medical treatment on his 2 front teeth after the asault.

He wont go to prison, its amazing what you need to do to get custody these days

Burnley1989 wrote:He wont go to prison, its amazing what you need to do to get custody these days

Not if you're on a suspended sentence I don't think.

agreenwood wrote:You’d imagine Fleetwood will now suspend him.

Maybe they will if he is convicted. I would suggest it is unlikely before he goes to trial, unless he pleads guilty.

Blackrod wrote:He’s clearly got a loose hinge and has some issues but what surprised me was how he held it together on the pitch for us. He was provoked constantly by players and other fans and didn’t react. The only time we really saw it was against Lincoln and I think many would have reacted to that lump Matt Rheed. Think Dyche deserves a lot of credit for how he managed him when plenty of other managers couldn’t.

And Joseph B deserves credit for his approach and success. He was kicked to bits

nil_desperandum wrote:Based on what, my "learned friend"?
if found guilty what would you be putting forward as mitigating circumstances bearing in mind his previous convictions
[On 1 July 2008, he was given a four-month suspended sentence after admitting assault occasioning actual bodily harm on former teammate Ousmane Dabo during a training-ground dispute. Has this "suspension"expired?, if not and if found guilty then I would have thought that a custodial sentence would be a virtual certainty.]
Of course the crucial proviso is: IF found guilty.

Theres many a smart arse on here

I kno of a few people who have been repeat offenders who havent been to jail for similar incidents but worse than what barton is supposedly done and still not be sent down again. It takes pretty much attempted murder for jail these days.

Barton will get a suspended sentance at the very worse. But he wont even get that

nil_desperandum wrote:Not if you're on a suspended sentence I don't think.

Hes not on a suspended sentence

theroyaldyche wrote:Hes not on a suspended sentence

I wasn't being a smart arse. I did ask in post 19 whether his suspension had expired. It was a genuine question.
You obviously found or knew the answer, so why not just answer the first time?
I wasn't being arsey. If he's on a suspended sentence he's in trouble, if not then it will depend on various factors.

theroyaldyche wrote:Trying to get out of nelson

Trying to get out of a Half Nelson?

Sentences can only be suspended for a max of 2 yrs, the 2008 suspension has well expired.

Hes going down hes going down... joeys going down! Im afraid.

S47 with previous...

Seems pretty cut and shut, I don't fancy his chances.

He needs to get that miracle worker Stevie G had!

theroyaldyche wrote:No chance

Taking your claret tinted spectacles off, why do you think he’ll avoid jail if he is found guilty?


Nb - I can’t be arsed to read the whole thread.

box_of_frogs wrote:Taking your claret tinted spectacles off, why do you think he’ll avoid jail if he is found guilty?


Nb - I can’t be arsed to read the whole thread.

He hasnt done anywhere near enough to expect a custodial sentence

He’ll just say he was under severe provocation and any jury being shown how their manager was carrying on at the whistle will agree.

Slap on the wrist at worst.

theroyaldyche wrote:He hasnt done anywhere near enough to expect a custodial sentence

How is it you know that then ?
What do you think he did ?

Not sure why anyone is speculating either way tbh when presumably their is only 2 or 3 people who were actually there.
Hopefully he won’t end up in jail or lose his job but it’s no coincidence that trouble follows him around.

theroyaldyche wrote:He hasnt done anywhere near enough to expect a custodial sentence

I'm not sure, how many teeth knocked out would it take?

theroyaldyche wrote:He hasnt done anywhere near enough to expect a custodial sentence

He'd be advised to plead guilty then

nil_desperandum wrote:If as the previous poster stated he gets "found guilty"at Crown Court then I think there's no doubt he'll be jailed.
It carries a maximum 5 year sentence and he has previous, so I can't see him getting a slap on the wrists or a suspended sentence.

hardly anyone sees inside a jail cell for a section 47

Not so long ago, a chap I knew pleaded guilty to assault (he punched someone outside a pub) and got 6 months in prison.

boatshed bill wrote:Not so long ago, a chap I knew pleaded guilty to assault (he punched someone outside a pub) and got 6 months in prison.

probably got charged with a section 20.

Takes less than you think, people hear GBH and think you ruined someone but i've been charged with a section 20 for a single punch before.

Hardly surprising.
Odious man.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:probably got charged with a section 20.

Takes less than you think, people hear GBH and think you ruined someone but i've been charged with a section 20 for a single punch before.

That's probably correct.
This chap adnitted the offence immediately when the police turned up.

I got a suspended sentence for GBH and ABH. Barton won't go to jail.

ClaretMoffitt wrote:probably got charged with a section 20.

Takes less than you think, people hear GBH and think you ruined someone but i've been charged with a section 20 for a single punch before.

How come Ben Stokes got off, even though he got caught on camera?

JimMcDonald wrote:I got a suspended sentence for GBH and ABH. Barton won't go to jail.

Was that on Liz?

Spijed wrote:How come Ben Stokes got off, even though he got caught on camera?

sometimes you do for one reason or another, i got off as well.

FactualFrank wrote:Was that on Liz?

And Eileen

Spijed wrote:How come Ben Stokes got off, even though he got caught on camera?

Wasn’t Stokes’ defence that he was acting in self-defence?

Spijed wrote:How come Ben Stokes got off, even though he got caught on camera?

Completely different situation. He intervened in a homophobic incident and was sticking up for the people being attacked.
He was found not guilty.

If Barton is found not guilty all well and good.

TVC15 wrote:Completely different situation. He intervened in a homophobic incident and was sticking up for the people being attacked.
He was found not guilty.

If Barton is found not guilty all well and good.

It isn't all well and good really....you can't go around Twatt!ng folk....sorry.