According to Dyche

How ???

2 in 2 out and similar players

Don't worry Boysie the window shuts soon, you will be able to stop working yourself up every day

"We think we are slightly stronger than what we were..."

They dont half come out with crap sometimes - in other words we go with what we have

If he was saying "we go with what we have" would he not have said "we go with what we have"

You do seem to read something then repeat it with a lot of different words.

Is Jay an improvement on Crouch? Undoubtedly

Is Pieters an improvement on Ward? Probably given Ward’s contribution last season.

Does that mean we are stronger? Course it does, bozo.

BOYSIE31 wrote:They dont half come out with crap sometimes - in other words we go with what we have

So true. No doubting his credentials as a good manager but some of the management psychobabble he comes out with is hard to swallow at times.

Corky wrote:So true. No doubting his credentials as a good manager but some of the management psychobabble he comes out with is hard to swallow at times.

Psychobabble !!! Love it

TheFamilyCat wrote:Is Jay an improvement on Crouch? Undoubtedly

Is Pieters an improvement on Ward? Probably given Ward’s contribution last season.

Does that mean we are stronger? Course it does, bozo.

I would say Jay is Vokes replacement not Crouch

Jay is a better footballer than Vokes to be fair.

Slightly stronger is right, I would say.

Ward was 33 and starting to show his age with injuries and the performances he had last put in - Pieters is 30 and has played consistently for years with no serious injuries to my knowledge.

Crouch was 38 and looked absolutely useless, Rodriguez is 29 and has just scored 22 goals in the Championship.

I would say they are both upgrades on what we had there so I agree with Dyche, but absolutely no doubt in my mind this window is a total failure if we do not sign a first 11 quality central midfielder as that has been the glaring gap in our squad for well over a year now. I think Westwood was outstanding last year, but Cork has regressed and Hendrick is more of a fill in for other positions these days (and let's not bother mentioning Defour). Crucial signing here.

I would go as far to say we need another 3

BOYSIE31 wrote:I would go as far to say we need another 3

And Dyche has said he still wants more signings in, so you have worked yourself up once again over something that hasn't been said

The squad is a bit stronger.

Jay should prove to be an upgrade on Vokes and Crouch. Peters probably a better reserve left back than Ward was last season.

I’d still like to see some pace and flair injected somewhere, even if it’s just a bench option.

We’re also taking a big risk if we’re not strengthening central midfield. Defour’s days in the first team seem a thing of the past and Hendrick has never thrived in a two-man central pairing. It’d be nice to have some genuine competition for Cork & Westwood.

To a point, but we need a tough tackling cm who can pick a pass and a pacy winger.These are problem areas that caused us issues all last season.Giving the ball too easily in midfield.Players reluctant to pass up and wide instead of the nonsense of six passes across the back four then hoofball up to the strikers

agreenwood wrote:We’re also taking a big risk if we’re not strengthening central midfield. Defour’s days in the first team seem a thing of the past and Hendrick has never thrived in a two-man central pairing. It’d be nice to have some genuine competition for Cork & Westwood.

The one who has always struggled to play in a two man central pairing is Defour. He was at his best when we were at our best playing with Hendrick in that advanced position in the first half of the 2017/18 season. But, simply, we do need a replacement for Defour. If we could get that, added to Pieters and Rodriguez, I'd consider it a very good window.

We are also stronger because of the continued development of players like Taylor and McNeill into genuine Premier League quality and confident individuals. Let our provenly successful manager say what he wants about his team without jumping on him is my predominant thought.

And yet we got 28 points in the 2nd half of last season. So if we are stronger I’ll take that and look forward to an unexpected ~56 to 60 points over a full season...

That should be good for 7th place and more Europe.

Not sure why everyone is panicking about how weak we are in midfield etc given how well we did since Jan. Just trust the great man to deliver again now he has more experience...

A new midfielder is pretty much all we need as far as I can see

Pieters is a reserve LB - no improvement to starting 11
Jay may start instead of Wood or Barnes so slightly stronger than last year with regard to the starting 11 but only just
CM required to improve on Cork/Defour
And CB if Tarks goes (Maguire to Utd now close according to SSN)

jojomk1 wrote:Pieters is a reserve LB - no improvement to starting 11
Jay may start instead of Wood or Barnes so slightly stronger than last year with regard to the starting 11 but only just
CM required to improve on Cork/Defour
And CB if Tarks goes (Maguire to Utd now close according to SSN)

If we hadn't signed Pieters you would say that we were weaker due to having no cover at left back. He isn't going to go out and sign a better left back than Taylor this summer.

ClaretTony wrote:The one who has always struggled to play in a two man central pairing is Defour. He was at his best when we were at our best playing with Hendrick in that advanced position in the first half of the 2017/18 season. But, simply, we do need a replacement for Defour. If we could get that, added to Pieters and Rodriguez, I'd consider it a very good window.

Agree we need a bloody good midfielder in but would also like another winger with pace and then maybe a sprinkle of youth who could play some part over the season to bed in for next season.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:If we hadn't signed Pieters you would say that we were weaker due to having no cover at left back. He isn't going to go out and sign a better left back than Taylor this summer.

I would have agreed, but Marca (who are always spot on usually) saying that we bid £12m for Cucorella from Barcelona shows we were not just willing to spend chump change on a left back to compete with Taylor.

The fact that we instead bought Pieters for £1m, and seemingly bid a large sum of money for the Ukrainian midfielder who went to Atalanta shows that we have a pretty large sum of money for a transfer fee or two.

Stalbansclaret wrote:We are also stronger because of the continued development of players like Taylor and McNeill into genuine Premier League quality and confident individuals. Let our provenly successful manager say what he wants about his team without jumping on him is my predominant thought.

I would agree with this. Especially with McNeil who. to all intents and purposes, we didn't have in the first half of last season. His introduction in the new year was like a new, excellent, signing in itself. We now have three quality, proven strikers and personally I think Jay Is better than Barnes (which is not to criticise Barnes as he came of age, so to speak, as a PL striker last season in my view). With the other new lad, Pieters, we have another quality defender. So even if we don't get anyone else (but I would like us to) we absolutely definitely start the season stronger than last season.

What we need to do us start with a win in the first game because we don't have the easiest opening games and if you start the season off badly it tends to become a habit, as we saw last season. We have to beat Southampton because the next 'realistic' chance of points (barring upsets) is the 5th game against Brighton, and even that is away. In fact when you look at the first 10 games there are only 2 that you would EXPECT us to win, Southampton and Norwich at home. Brighton, Villa and Leicester away you would say are 'unknowables' with potential for 'something' but wins at any of those would be a bonus. Villa as the newly promoted team some may say not too difficult but somehow I have a feeling that they may be a bit of a surprise package.

jedi_master wrote:I would have agreed, but Marca (who are always spot on usually) saying that we bid £12m for Cucorella from Barcelona shows we were not just willing to spend chump change on a left back to compete with Taylor.

The fact that we instead bought Pieters for £1m, and seemingly bid a large sum of money for the Ukrainian midfielder who went to Atalanta shows that we have a pretty large sum of money for a transfer fee or two.

I fully expect we will make at least 2 more good signings, Dyche has said he wants more. This whole thread exists because 1 person read something then changed the words to more or less say we have done.

By the time there are 100 replies to this it will become gospel that we aren't signing anyone else and Rigg / Garlick / Dyche should all go.

I have an inkling that Vydra's going to shine for us this season, In my 'Roy of the Rovers' head anyway. Would be that ol' cliché 'like a new signing' personified. I hope and I'm sure everyone else hopes this to be the case.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I fully expect we will make at least 2 more good signings, Dyche has said he wants more. This whole thread exists because 1 person read something then changed the words to more or less say we have done.

By the time there are 100 replies to this it will become gospel that we aren't signing anyone else and Rigg / Garlick / Dyche should all go.

Slightly off topic and a genuine question for you.

If we don't sign anyone else will you be disappointed and see it as an average at best window? Just to clarify by disappointed I don't mean you will be angry, upset, panicking or have lost any confidence in Dyche and Burnley but simply will you think we've fallen a bit short in terms of what was needed and was realistically achievable.

Devils_Advocate wrote:Slightly off topic and a genuine question for you.

If we don't sign anyone else will you be disappointed and see it as an average at best window? Just to clarify by disappointed I don't mean you will be angry, upset, panicking or have lost any confidence in Dyche and Burnley but simply will you think we've fallen a bit short in terms of what was needed and was realistically achievable.

If we don't sign anyone else average would be sugar coating it.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:If we don't sign anyone else average would be sugar coating it.

Agree and I hope you are right we will bring in the couple of good players we need. Im not that confident but there's no point worrying about it until we get into the final day cos who knows whats going on in the background

Devils_Advocate wrote:Agree and I hope you are right we will bring in the couple of good players we need. Im not that confident but there's no point worrying about it until we get into the final day cos who knows whats going on in the background

It is always going to get near the end of the window for us, we could offer the amount a club wants and the wage the player wants early doors and most agents are still going to wait and see if a better offer comes along. If we want someone from a lower level then those deals are easier to do but when trying to sign players from top divisions here or abroad we aren't high up the pecking order.

We have some on here who seem to know every little detail even down to the players character in every division in Europe, having watched them several times last season and are quick to jump on any link to a player no matter how tenuous the link is.

Sadly people read to much ******** from the likes of Nixon and think if there is nothing in his weekly lies page then it means we aren't trying to do anything. One day most will get how the window works but feel we are still a few years off that happening. I am just glad the window closes earlier these days rather than end of August.

We can only judge a transfer window when it closes and if it is a bad one say so, rather than make things up as the window goes along.

We made an £11m bid for Barcelona's 20-year-old Spanish winger Marc Cucurella before he decided to move to Getafe on a season-long loan.

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BOYSIE31 wrote:Agree we need a bloody good midfielder in but would also like another winger with pace and then maybe a sprinkle of youth who could play some part over the season to bed in for next season.

Maybe Benson, or another one of the young players already at the club, could be that sprinkle of youth.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:If we don't sign anyone else average would be sugar coating it.

Ha you changed your tune quick

BOYSIE31 wrote:Ha you changed your tune quick

I know I am going to regret this, but go on Mavis try and explain

Tall Paul wrote:Maybe Benson, or another one of the young players already at the club, could be that sprinkle of youth.

Hope so as we have the oldest average squad in all divisions which is also worrying.

Have I missed where SD said our window is closed?

BOYSIE31 wrote:Hope so as we have the oldest average squad in all divisions which is also worrying.

Citation needed.

Robbie Brady - fully fit...
Aaron Lennon - fully fit...
Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson - fully fit...
Matěj Vydra - a proper pre-season and Dyche fit...
Jay Rodriguez - upgrade...
Erik Pieters - upgrade...

Definitely a stronger squad but we still need an upgrade on CM and maybe a CD. If we keep our centre halves I'd like a young player to come in. If we sell Tarks I'd probably prefer an experienced player to come in. A pacy winger that can actually stay fit would be a bonus too!

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:I know I am going to regret this, but go on Mavis try and explain

If we don't sign anyone else average would be sugar coating it.

Positive to negative in 2 posts well done butthead

BOYSIE31 wrote:Hope so as we have the oldest average squad in all divisions which is also worrying.

Why is it worrying?

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:We can only judge a transfer window when it closes and if it is a bad one say so, rather than make things up as the window goes along.

And even then, judgement is pretty worthless for about 18 months or so. How many of us thought that the free transfer signings of Arfield Jones and Heaton made for a magnificently successful window? Even last summer, it's too early to write Vidra off and Gibson's worth can only be judged if he is needed.

BOYSIE31 wrote:If we don't sign anyone else average would be sugar coating it.

Positive to negative in 2 posts well done butthead

You are still being stupid and not explaining. You changed Dyche's words to tell a lie, I pointed this out, you have a history of crying all through every transfer window and coming across as someone who struggles.

My comments to you on this thread were merely highlighting your stupidity, you then claim I have changed my tune in 2 posts due to someone asking me a question.

Would you like to try again to explain ?

jedi_master wrote:Slightly stronger is right, I would say.

Ward was 33 and starting to show his age with injuries and the performances he had last put in - Pieters is 30 and has played consistently for years with no serious injuries to my knowledge.

Crouch was 38 and looked absolutely useless, Rodriguez is 29 and has just scored 22 goals in the Championship.

I would say they are both upgrades on what we had there so I agree with Dyche, but absolutely no doubt in my mind this window is a total failure if we do not sign a first 11 quality central midfielder as that has been the glaring gap in our squad for well over a year now. I think Westwood was outstanding last year, but Cork has regressed and Hendrick is more of a fill in for other positions these days (and let's not bother mentioning Defour). Crucial signing here.

If we only add one more CM has to be the priority,it's questionable whether Defour will play much of a part,and if Westwood picked up long-term injury after the window shut,we'd find ourselves in a 2015 situation when Marney broke down,Cork and Hendrick would be our only 2 fit midfielders,and Cork wasn't the same player last season,he looked burnt out and was muscled off the ball far too easily.

tiger76 wrote:If we only add one more CM has to be the priority,it's questionable whether Defour will play much of a part,and if Westwood picked up long-term injury after the window shut,we'd find ourselves in a 2015 situation when Marney broke down,Cork and Hendrick would be our only 2 fit midfielders,and Cork wasn't the same player last season,he looked burnt out and was muscled off the ball far too easily.

Absolutely spot on. People have missed the point about injuries and the need for cover and in game subs in cm and don't seem to remember the consequences. No panic yet but a new Defour has to be found IN THIS WINDOW.

Spijed wrote:Why is it worrying?

Because sooner or later those players will need replacing and to do that in a couple of windows to make wholesale changes will have a massive impact on any club never mind us

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:You are still being stupid and not explaining. You changed Dyche's words to tell a lie, I pointed this out, you have a history of crying all through every transfer window and coming across as someone who struggles.

My comments to you on this thread were merely highlighting your stupidity, you then claim I have changed my tune in 2 posts due to someone asking me a question.

Would you like to try again to explain ?

Ok i will explain again to highlight your stupidity - in one breath you are happy with team/squad and then if nothing added it will have been sugar coated as a good window.

BOYSIE31 wrote:Ok i will explain again to highlight your stupidity - in one breath you are happy with team/squad and then if nothing added it will have been sugar coated as a good window.

Now we are slowly getting somewhere with your stupidity. Now next test for you, please show where I have stated I am happy with the squad then changed my mind, either anywhere on this thread or forum. This is the problem with reading one thing and then changing the words in your head (although I accept there is a lot of room in there) to make some ******** up and pass it off as truth.

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We have improved on a very low budget which is brilliant business by the club fantastic in fact
But we have not spent a penny in the January window, we have spent just under 6 million this with another 5 million to pay on for Jay
That is very little
We need to add to this squad if we dont then we are in for a very long season
With just two and a half weeks remaining it's going to be tight as we have nothing even close of last week Dyche stated which is very worrying.
We are slightly stronger but so is everyone else good high quality players are being add right through the league but we are the last club on there agents agenda cos we have painted this picture that we are always skint flints

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Now we are slowly getting somewhere with your stupidity. Now next test for you, please show where I have stated I am happy with the squad then changed my mind, either anywhere on this thread or forum. This is the problem with reading one thing and then changing the words in your head (although I accept there is a lot of room in there) to make some ******** up and pass it off as truth.

From the coast must be the blackpool sea air that makes you talk shite

BOYSIE31 wrote:From the coast must be the blackpool sea air that makes you talk shite

It is a simple question for even you, where did I say I was happy with the squad ?