I walked down the lane down the side of the cricket field yesterday, and noticed a table positioned at the end of the lane with a card saying 'bag search' on it. One steward was looking out for people with bags and asking them to come over to the desk for another steward to check their bags. At the turnstiles the same people were being asked to have their bags searched again.

I wonder if this double checking of bags is going to be a regular thing this season?

Seems fair enough. Anybody trying to save a few quid by sneaking a Twix in deserves to be refused admission...

I’ve no problems with bag searches but there should have been some consultation from the club prior to changing the policy.

Absolutely nothing against it, I’ve never been one of those that is wound up at airport security or a sporting event. I really can’t be arsed being blown up

And thats why I don't bring the Mrs to Football......

Burnley1989 wrote:Absolutely nothing against it, I’ve never been one of those that is wound up at airport security or a sporting event. I really can’t be arsed being blown up

Would be bloody inconvenient wouldnt it?

ZizkovClaret wrote:Would be bloody inconvenient wouldnt it?

Probably ruin my day if I’m honest

It was all pretty straightforward and they put a band on the bag so when I came to enter the ground, the steward by the turnstile knew it had already been checked. It took up about 60 seconds of my day, no inconvenience and sadly it’s where we’re at now in this day and age.

90% wont have a bag so not much of a hold up

Sniffer dogs on the other hand would have a field day haha

My bag was checked last season (one of the European matches) a can of coke had to be binned or drunk. Apparently it could have been used as a weapon if thrown. Seems a bit petty given you can buy a bottle of coke inside and throw that. But it’s fine.

If I was going to throw anything it would be one of the scorching hot cheese pies.

No problem with bag searches.

My problem is making sure they check the age of the person they are checking. Numerous times previously my daughter has had her bag searched without them even asking for her age. Yes she was 17 and could easily pass as 18 but they should be checking so that their responsible adult can witness the search.

My son on the other hand was 14 during last season and would never in a million years pass as 18.still I have seen stewards ask to search him whilst I've been in a queue at a different turnstile. Not acceptable. I've told him to refuse unless I'm with him, which is 99% of the time.

Think some training needs to be done.

It's ok on a friendly with a sparse crowd, but I'm willing to bet things get a bit tense at 14:50 next Saturday.

LoveCurryPies wrote:My bag was checked last season (one of the European matches) a can of coke had to be binned or drunk. Apparently it could have been used as a weapon if thrown. Seems a bit petty given you can buy a bottle of coke inside and throw that. But it’s fine.

If I was going to throw anything it would be one of the scorching hot cheese pies.

It's a criminal offence to carry a can of drink into a football ground, so blame the government not the stewards for that one. (You can twist a can in half and make a serviceable knife. You can't do that with a plastic bottle. You'd get the same result if you tried to take a glass bottle into the ground, but you'd be OK with plastic.)

BobHaidong wrote:No problem with bag searches.

My problem is making sure they check the age of the person they are checking. Numerous times previously my daughter has had her bag searched without them even asking for her age. Yes she was 17 and could easily pass as 18 but they should be checking so that their responsible adult can witness the search.

My son on the other hand was 14 during last season and would never in a million years pass as 18.still I have seen stewards ask to search him whilst I've been in a queue at a different turnstile. Not acceptable. I've told him to refuse unless I'm with him, which is 99% of the time.

Think some training needs to be done.

If he isn't fit to go through a turnstile on his own, with all the related stuff such as searches, then you shouldn't let him go through a turnstile on his own. It shouldn't really be the stewards' job to look after unaccompanied children.

BobHaidong wrote:No problem with bag searches.

My problem is making sure they check the age of the person they are checking. Numerous times previously my daughter has had her bag searched without them even asking for her age. Yes she was 17 and could easily pass as 18 but they should be checking so that their responsible adult can witness the search.

My son on the other hand was 14 during last season and would never in a million years pass as 18.still I have seen stewards ask to search him whilst I've been in a queue at a different turnstile. Not acceptable. I've told him to refuse unless I'm with him, which is 99% of the time.

Think some training needs to be done.

Here son here’s a bomb, now remember you’re only 14 so refused to be searched.

dsr wrote:If he isn't fit to go through a turnstile on his own, with all the related stuff such as searches, then you shouldn't let him go through a turnstile on his own. It shouldn't really be the stewards' job to look after unaccompanied children.

He just said he’s with him 99% of the time ......

Just because 1% of the time a 14 year old isn’t accompanied, doesn’t mean security should break protocol and search alone.

Only time I have been narked at airport security was when they opened up my hand luggage bag and handed it to about 3 people ahead of me in the queue opened before O got to that point and then said “did you pack it? Has anybody had contact with it since you did? can we check it?”

‘Apart from you opening it and the 3 other people you’ve handed it to open..... no nobodies had contact with it but me’

dougcollins wrote:It's ok on a friendly with a sparse crowd, but I'm willing to bet things get a bit tense at 14:50 next Saturday.

We’ve got used to it now at away games and the simple answer is that you are likely to miss kick off if you arrive 10 mins before kick off.

Something like this is just the norm and I am all for it, I don't like explosives much

bfccrazy wrote:He just said he’s with him 99% of the time ......

Just because 1% of the time a 14 year old isn’t accompanied, doesn’t mean security should break protocol and search alone.

If for whatever reason the child isn't old enough to be alone - and the possibility of being searched is one of those - then it has to be 100% of the time. In circumstances like this, if a 'situation' is caused by a child going through a different turnstile to Dad, then Dad shouldn't allow it full stop. Then there would be no need to blame the stewards.

dsr wrote:If for whatever reason the child isn't old enough to be alone - and the possibility of being searched is one of those - then it has to be 100% of the time. In circumstances like this, if a 'situation' is caused by a child going through a different turnstile to Dad, then Dad shouldn't allow it full stop. Then there would be no need to blame the stewards.

So it’s the parents fault that a steward doesn’t follow the rules/protocols in place for these situations if/when they do occur Haha

Why should age matter? I’ve had security pull my daughters dolls head off before because the scanner flagged something inside it, did I complain? No because In the grand scheme it doesn’t matter

Bosscat wrote:And thats why I don't bring the Mrs to Football......

They Don't seem to Bother with the Old Bags...

dsr wrote:It's a criminal offence to carry a can of drink into a football ground, so blame the government not the stewards for that one. (You can twist a can in half and make a serviceable knife. You can't do that with a plastic bottle. You'd get the same result if you tried to take a glass bottle into the ground, but you'd be OK with plastic.)

Went to Rangers in the pre season friendly a couple of seasons ago.
I was carrying a 500ml bottle of water. 1st they told me to remove the top and they kept that.
As I was walking to my seat right up at the back the Steward told me he would have to take it off me as it was classed as a weapon !!!!! .
Although he did go to the bar bring back a plastic glass and made me pour out the bottle and hand over the offending item.

Needless to say I asked him why and he just shrugged and told us it was policy and he couldn't understand it which was fair enough... at no time were they intimidating about it just doing their jobs......

Unlike the time I was pulled out of a queue at turnstile 39 at Turf Moor JHU by a 5'3" jobsworth who wanted to go through the pocket of my big coat due to .... he said (and I kid you not) because it was an un-natural bulge.

I explained they are my thinsulate gloves (it was a cool day with the threat of getting colder)
He pulled out my gloves. .......

I gave him a rather withering look as I turned to the Turnstile, and next thing I was dragged back out of the queue by same 5'3" jobsworth ... and when I asked what now he said (and I kid you not) "Because I had looked at him"

Needless to say I was not best pleased so I asked to speak to his superior .... at that he told me to go in......

Upstairs on the concourse all the people I normally talk to were laughing about it.

Spider and his Mrs still joke about the "Gloves of Doom" whenever I see them on the ground

Havent seen said 5'3" jobsworth since maybe he got a promotion for being diligent and an expert Glove spotter

bfccrazy wrote:So it’s the parents fault that a steward doesn’t follow the rules/protocols in place for these situations if/when they do occur Haha

I believe the rule is that unaccompanied children aren't allowed. Isn't it? i know 11 year olds aren't allowed to be more than arm's length from a responsible adult, which seems a bit extreme.

Bosscat wrote:Went to Rangers in the pre season friendly a couple of seasons ago.
I was carrying a 500ml bottle of water. 1st they told me to remove the top and they kept that.
As I was walking to my seat right up at the back the Steward told me he would have to take it off me as it was classed as a weapon !!!!! .
Although he did go to the bar bring back a plastic glass and made me pour out the bottle and hand over the offending item.

Needless to say I asked him why and he just shrugged and told us it was policy and he couldn't understand it which was fair enough... at no time were they intimidating about it just doing their jobs......

Unlike the time I was pulled out of a queue at turnstile 39 at Turf Moor JHU by a 5'3" jobsworth who wanted to go through the pocket of my big coat due to .... he said (and I kid you not) because it was an un-natural bulge.

I explained they are my thinsulate gloves (it was a cool day with the threat of getting colder)
He pulled out my gloves. .......

I gave him a rather withering look as I turned to the Turnstile, and next thing I was dragged back out of the queue by same 5'3" jobsworth ... and when I asked what now he said (and I kid you not) "Because I had looked at him"

Needless to say I was not best pleased so I asked to speak to his superior .... at that he told me to go in......

Upstairs on the concourse all the people I normally talk to were laughing about it.

Spider and his Mrs still joke about the "Gloves of Doom" whenever I see them on the ground

Havent seen said 5'3" jobsworth since maybe he got a promotion for being diligent and an expert Glove spotter

When the new rules came in about not being able to take a beer up to your seat I was sat in the JHU and didn’t know about it. Walked past the steward on the way to my seat at the top of the stand with a bottle of beer in my hand and then 15 mins later 2 coppers and the 2 stewards (one was the same steward) came and removed me from the match because camera had caught me having a drink they could have just took the bottle off me or told me to go back down into the concourse to finish it.

The mind boggles.

dsr wrote:I believe the rule is that unaccompanied children aren't allowed. Isn't it? i know 11 year olds aren't allowed to be more than arm's length from a responsible adult, which seems a bit extreme.

A few people got upset near us when their kids weren’t allowed to go to the toilet alone during the game which I thought was a bit of an odd thing to be upset about as there’s always the chance of some reprobate lurking in the loos (you’d hope there wouldn’t be but I’m losing faith in people these days). But a 14 year old lad going to the turf with his mates isn’t against any rules (as far as I know) but searching them with no supervision is - I’d argue it’s protecting the steward more as some kid could say “he/she touched me up” ... they’d have a witness there to supervise them though.

bfccrazy wrote:When the new rules came in about not being able to take a beer up to your seat I was sat in the JHU and didn’t know about it. Walked past the steward on the way to my seat at the top of the stand with a bottle of beer in my hand and then 15 mins later 2 coppers and the 2 stewards (one was the same steward) came and removed me from the match because camera had caught me having a drink they could have just took the bottle off me or told me to go back down into the concourse to finish it.

The mind boggles.

It's pot luck who you get. I had a can of pop with me at Carlisle soon after the can ban came in, and a policeman saw me with it and allowed me to finish the drink before taking it off me and disposing of it.

Sometimes the officials don't realise that giving people the chance to co-operate, especially with new rules, is the easiest (and fairest) way.

dsr wrote:I believe the rule is that unaccompanied children aren't allowed. Isn't it? i know 11 year olds aren't allowed to be more than arm's length from a responsible adult, which seems a bit extreme.

Went to the Elland Road away game about 15 years ago, and the kids had to in through a different turnstile to the parents...
One bloke was going ballistic as the stewards took his lad out of the queue from him ushering the now crying 10 year old to a seperate queue...

I don't think it would happen now but ...

Can anyone confirm whether or not I am allowed to take a small plastic bottle of Pepsi( other brands are available) through the turnstile.

bfccrazy wrote:A few people got upset near us when their kids weren’t allowed to go to the toilet alone during the game which I thought was a bit of an odd thing to be upset about as there’s always the chance of some reprobate lurking in the loos (you’d hope there wouldn’t be but I’m losing faith in people these days). But a 14 year old lad going to the turf with his mates isn’t against any rules (as far as I know) but searching them with no supervision is - I’d argue it’s protecting the steward more as some kid could say “he/she touched me up” ... they’d have a witness there to supervise them though.

I dare say it is protecting the steward. But if the rule is that all customers are subject to search, and there is also a rule that unaccompanied children can't be searched, then there is de facto a rule that unaccompanied children can't come. There's no way round it.

karatekid wrote:Can anyone confirm whether or not I am allowed to take a small plastic bottle of Pepsi( other brands are available) through the turnstile.

I carry a bottle of water through in warm weather and a small flask of coffe in cold weather no problem at Turf Moor......

It says on the board outside 500ml plastic bottles are allowed

Bosscat wrote:Went to the Elland Road away game about 15 years ago, and the kids had to in through a different turnstile to the parents...
One bloke was going ballistic as the stewards took his lad out of the queue from him ushering the now crying 10 year old to a seperate queue...

I don't think it would happen now but ...

Many places (eg. rugby grounds, racecourses) still have separate cash turnstiles for children and pensioners. Presumably they either don't search,or search before you get to the turnstile. Must be potentially problematic, though.

bfccrazy wrote:A few people got upset near us when their kids weren’t allowed to go to the toilet alone during the game which I thought was a bit of an odd thing to be upset about as there’s always the chance of some reprobate lurking in the loos (you’d hope there wouldn’t be but I’m losing faith in people these days). But a 14 year old lad going to the turf with his mates isn’t against any rules (as far as I know) but searching them with no supervision is - I’d argue it’s protecting the steward more as some kid could say “he/she touched me up” ... they’d have a witness there to supervise them though.

Genuine question here cos I dont know the answer. I can imagine body searches for minors without a present adult would likely be agains the rules/law/protocol but is there really the same regs/laws for a bag search as this is what we are discussing.

Im not on any side of the debate but just interested as whilst the business might put there own rules in to safegaurd minors and security im not convinced there is anything illegal with a bag search for a minor nor am I aware of any specific Burnley FC protocol

No way, no clucking way. There is no ckuckin way them clukers are searching my bags, if they try I shall tell them to cluck off

Devils_Advocate wrote:Genuine question here cos I dont know the answer. I can imagine body searches for minors without a present adult would likely be agains the rules/law/protocol but is there really the same regs/laws for a bag search as this is what we are discussing.

Im not on any side of the debate but just interested as whilst the business might put there own rules in to safegaurd minors and security im not convinced there is anything illegal with a bag search for a minor nor am I aware of any specific Burnley FC protocol

I don’t think there are any different rules for bags I doubt you could molest a bag or would want to as a steward in front of fans queueing to get into a game (I’m not an expert mind) ... I think the poster above was talking about pat down/body searches by stewards.

bfccrazy wrote:I don’t think there are any different rules for bags (I’m not an expert mind) ... I think the poster above was talking about pat down/body searches by stewards.

ok fair enough. Pat downs I totally get just thought the discussion was more around bag searches which seems a bit greyer though its not an area I have any knowledge in

dsr wrote:Many places (eg. rugby grounds, racecourses) still have separate cash turnstiles for children and pensioners. Presumably they either don't search,or search before you get to the turnstile. Must be potentially problematic, though.

I know what you mean ... but as we all know the concourses at a lot of football grounds are jam packed, and if I was taking a minor to a crowded match like that I would want him/her with me at all time.

karatekid wrote:Can anyone confirm whether or not I am allowed to take a small plastic bottle of Pepsi( other brands are available) through the turnstile.

Yeah you can but in the CF stand they sometimes try and take the lid off you.

I take a spare lid with me just in case.

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yeah you can but in the CF stand they sometimes try and take the lid off you.

I take a spare lid with me just in case.

I have one of those Burnley FC plastic bottles of water (I refill it from the tap at home ... yeah I am that tight ) its on its 4th lid always carry a spare top (just in case )

Bosscat wrote:Went to the Elland Road away game about 15 years ago, and the kids had to in through a different turnstile to the parents...
One bloke was going ballistic as the stewards took his lad out of the queue from him ushering the now crying 10 year old to a seperate queue...

I don't think it would happen now but ...

When I first started going on it was separate turnstiles for adults & juveniles.
Many a time I was inside by myself waiting for my dad to get in

karatekid wrote:Can anyone confirm whether or not I am allowed to take a small plastic bottle of Pepsi( other brands are available) through the turnstile.

No, you can't, according to this: https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/fan ... rs-guides/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also note that you can't take large umbrellas into the ground, but there were plenty of people doing so last Tuesday evening without being challenged.

karatekid wrote:Can anyone confirm whether or not I am allowed to take a small plastic bottle of Pepsi( other brands are available) through the turnstile.

You can’t. You can take in clear plastic bottles up to 500ml but not with dark liquid in them.

ClaretTony wrote:You can’t. You can take in clear plastic bottles up to 500ml but not with dark liquid in them.

This would probably include flasks.

It wouldn’t be so bad at away games if the people doing it would exercise some discretion but they never do in my experience.

ClaretTony wrote:You can’t. You can take in clear plastic bottles up to 500ml but not with dark liquid in them.

So, that's yes to 500ml of hydrofluoric acid. No to 400ml of Pepsi.

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote:This would probably include flasks.

It might, but since these signs were put up last season, I have had my flask inspected a couple of times and been let in - and taken it in to the ground for all the other matches.

thatdberight wrote:So, that's yes to 500ml of hydrofluoric acid. No to 400ml of Pepsi.

If you’re contemplating taking hydrofluoric acid in make sure you put it into a clear glass bottle rather than a plastic one, that way you have more chance of entry, and will guarantee your exit by ambulance.

I think that Sean Dyche's Watch (OP) was making the point that being stopped at two "search points" was OTT and unnecessary.
So do I, if only on the basis that after the first search there would be nothing to prevent items being removed or inserted from/into the bag, thus, from a security point of view, making the first search pointless.

jjclaret wrote:I think that Sean Dyche's Watch (OP) was making the point that being stopped at two "search points" was OTT and unnecessary.
So do I, if only on the basis that after the first search there would be nothing to prevent items being removed or inserted from/into the bag, thus, from a security point of view, making the first search pointless.

Thanks jjclaret, I was wondering when someone would get the point I was making. I've no issues with having a bag searched once, but to be asked again two minutes later seemed pointless to me. It was as if the steward at the turnstile didn't know that bags were being searched prior to getting to the turnstile.