The BBC are reporting Epstein has been found dead in his cell. That should bring the tinfoil hat posse (probably with good reason)

This piece of **** has been allowed to die while under 24-hour surveillance and so he can't implicate any more of his chums. How convenient, for a lot of rich and powerful people.

Who?

Inside turtles bedroom...

And on the day that Prince Andrew has been linked with these shenenigans.

@shaun_jen makes a good point on Twitter. Imagine if Clinton had won in 2016 and this had happened. The people who will no doubt call me a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob for doubting that there was no foul play involved would be ******* howling

Jus' Joshin with ya

tarkys_ears wrote:Jus' Joshin with ya

I know. It's all good.

Imploding Turtle wrote:This piece of **** has been allowed to die while under 24-hour surveillance and so he can't implicate any more of his chums. How convenient, for a lot of rich and powerful people.

Dont often agree with IT. The question is which rich and powerful people ????

The scumbag was murdered before presidents, prime ministers and royals could be outed but the FBI have the documents that were opened this week, can't see this being the end of it.

FCBurnley wrote:Dont often agree with IT. The question is which rich and powerful people ????

I read on Twitter that him dying means everything relevant that was seized from his properties becomes admissible and can't be challenged in court. If that's true then it's some good news. Until there's a mysterious fire in an evidence storage room.

The Illuminati is everywhere!!

Imploding Turtle wrote:I read on Twitter that him dying means everything relevant that was seized from his properties becomes admissible and can't be challenged in court. If that's true then it's some good news. Until there's a mysterious fire in an evidence storage room.

We will see where it goes. Some very very powerful people in America and UK. Sounds like Pizzagate episode 2 to me. Epstein is not the first to die.

FCBurnley wrote:We will see where it goes. Some very very powerful people in America and UK. Sounds like Pizzagate episode 2 to me. Epstein is not the first to die.

Don't call this Pizzagate. Pizzagate was a bullshit lie created by Q-tards about a paedophile ring being run from the basement of a pizza parlour that doesn't have a basement. Next you'll be calling it Seth Rich 2 too, which was a lie spread by Russia, per Mueller.

People are burying their heads in the sand if they think famous and wealthy individuals aren't involved in child abuse on a large scale.

Dozens, if not hundreds at least should have been implicated with regards to Jimmy Savile and the same here.

Spijed wrote:People are burying their heads in the sand if they think famous and wealthy individuals aren't involved in child abuse on a large scale.

Dozens, if not hundreds at least should have been implicated with regards to Jimmy Savile and the same here.

Have you any evidence, or is this just the ramblings of an idiot? Why would rich people be soley interested in kiddy sex? Are money and paedophilia inter connected? If so, whats your evidence?

BennyD wrote:Have you any evidence, or is this just the ramblings of an idiot? Why would rich people be soley interested in kiddy sex? Are money and paedophilia inter connected? If so, whats your evidence?

Money and paedophilia are not connected, but money and getting away with it obviously is.

BennyD wrote:Have you any evidence, or is this just the ramblings of an idiot? Why would rich people be soley interested in kiddy sex? Are money and paedophilia inter connected? If so, whats your evidence?

You really think these predators are few and far between and are able to cover their tracks so well it comes as a geniune shock to those who know them when they are arrested?

Fishier than the fish shop in Finding Nemo.

Liked McAfees view on it, “I was stunned by Epstein's suicide, though probably not as much as Epstein himself”

Imploding Turtle wrote:Don't call this Pizzagate. Pizzagate was a bullshit lie created by Q-tards about a paedophile ring being run from the basement of a pizza parlour that doesn't have a basement. Next you'll be calling it Seth Rich 2 too, which was a lie spread by Russia, per Mueller.

Ex New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and Ex Senator George Mitchell seem to be attracting a lot of attention along with Bill and HRH. The death of Epstein might just open up an even bigger can of worms than his trial would have done.

FCBurnley wrote:Ex New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and Ex Senator George Mitchell seem to be attracting a lot of attention along with Bill and HRH. The death of Epstein might just open up an even bigger can of worms than his trial would have done.

Those two and a few others were named publicly yesterday.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Those two and a few others were named publicly yesterday.

Correct but the whole story is suddenly much bigger news indeed. If indeed Epstein did commit suicide ( which I doubt) it could be the first of many.

Been following this quite closely since the documents which allegedly implicated Prince Andrew, among others (a "well known prime minister" etc,) were unsealed yesterday, and I'll be honest my heart sank a little when I read he'd been suicided to death earlier today. The people (children) Epstein - and more pertinently, the clientele he serviced/blackmailed - 'allegedly' abused and trafficked won't see true justice served. Makes you sick. There could've been a great cleansing that recalibrated the dynamics of power (both structural and interpersonal) in the western world; revolutions have been started for less, but the river has been dammed by his death. And for the record, the people on here showing the effrontery to mock this as a mere conspiracy theory are damning themselves with their obtuse stupidity and petty partisanship. You're on the wrong side of history, and, frankly, common sense and common decency to think there's anything other than sinister forces at play.

Spiral wrote:Been following this quite closely since the documents which allegedly implicated Prince Andrew, among others (a "well known prime minister" etc,) were unsealed yesterday, and I'll be honest my heart sank a little when I read he'd been suicided to death earlier today. The people (children) Epstein - and more pertinently, the clientele he serviced/blackmailed - 'allegedly' abused and trafficked won't see true justice served. Makes you sick. There could've been a great cleansing that recalibrated the dynamics of power (both structural and interpersonal) in the western world; revolutions have been started for less, but the river has been dammed by his death. And for the record, the people on here showing the effrontery to mock this as a mere conspiracy theory are damning themselves with their obtuse stupidity and petty partisanship. You're on the wrong side of history, and, frankly, common sense and common decency to think there's anything other than sinister forces at play.

Whilst I totally agree with your sentiments, I actually think that Epsteins death could be very beneficial when it comes to a full investigation. Had he ever gone to trial it would have been delayed for years and years by which time those involved would have had the time to introduce an even bigger cover up. The FBI ( if they can be trusted) can now investigate the full depth of the crimes committed. Personally I expect many many arrests and no doubt a substantial number of mysterious deaths.

And people still think David Kelly also committed suicide.

I'm rarely one to wear anything foil-y on my head, but it's difficult not to with this.

He was on suicide watch, was the highest profile prisoner in the country and was known to have a massive bounty on his head (some reports of $100m).

Not sure how he managed to magic a noose out of thin air and hang himself with it when he was wearing his "burrito blanket" and was under very close 24-hour supervision.

The question here is did whoever got to him leave any evidence, I suppose.

BennyD wrote:Have you any evidence, or is this just the ramblings of an idiot? Why would rich people be soley interested in kiddy sex? Are money and paedophilia inter connected? If so, whats your evidence?

I very rarely get involved on here, just a lurker, but a bit of required reading for you, start with ^smile for the camera^ the double life of Cyril Smith. So many of the current political class stood up and defended this sicko. Its all documented, which makes it all the more infuriating. Mps, senior police officers, MI5.
Re Epstein, it couldn't be more transparent IMHO.
I don't have a tinfoil hat, I am however a skeptic and critical thinker and make no secret of it.
Sadly this suicide, if that is what it was, will ultimately mean that the wheels of justice will once again grind to a halt when money and power get involved. It used to make me angry now just sad.

This has got classic Saturday night thread written all over it

My mate used to live near Jimmy Tarbuck, Rolf Harris and Jimmy Pursey of Sham 69 and he said they were all wrong ‘uns...... fact!

Leggy Mountbatten

Look who's spreading the idea that it was the Clinton's who killed him.

Imploding Turtle wrote:Look who's spreading the idea that it was the Clinton's who killed him.

You have to hand it to him, he knows how to play the game of divide and conquer. For every right minded person who thinks it's beyond inappropriate for the president to promote baseless conspiracies, there'll be at least one who allows it to confirm their suspicions of a dodgy democrat.

It's such a dangerous approach to politics, his behaviour during the aftermath of the shootings being a good distillation of it. He doesn't care a single jot about his country or the people in it, as long as enough people side with him to maintain power.

He's essentially raging war against reasonable debate and political dialogue. It's really important he loses.

Is he even dead? Possibly a set up to whisk him away for a life in hiding, next door to Elvis and Lord Lucan.

Some question as to whether or not he was on ‘suicide watch’ despite an earlier attempt in July (think it was July). Or maybe in some cases it means watching the act of suicide. I personally think there is no point in a ‘conspiracy theory’ as the investigations have been going on since 2002 and abuse victims and their legal representatives have a lot of information already on file. Someone asked how could he have committed suicide if .... ? You only need item of clothing. I assume it was a strangulation as the official line it’s ‘neck Injuries’. As a man in his sixties a sly murder would be described as ‘natural causes’. Does this help anyone else? How can it, all the other ‘names’ are already out there. Connections to Trump, Weinstein, Clinton, Spacey and no doubt many, many more. The Prince Andrew link is, him being accused of touching a woman’s breast as a photo was being taken of him, the woman named, and a couple of others. My interpretation of that incident is more of a name drop, than a serious sexual transgression. Too many witnesses with not enough detail to go to court here, so why it should be included other than to give an indication of how many ‘rich and powerful’ were around Epstein.

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Is he even dead? Possibly a set up to whisk him away for a life in hiding, next door to Elvis and Lord Lucan.

Imploding Turtle wrote:This piece of **** has been allowed to die while under 24-hour surveillance and so he can't implicate any more of his chums. How convenient, for a lot of rich and powerful people.

be careful, you are starting to sound exactly like everyone on /pol/

This is tin foil hat nirvana !

Though what if he did actually kill himself ?rather than spend his all his life being bummed in prison . I very much doubt he was murdered though 1000’s of prisoners die every year worldwide from suicide when they should have been on “ watch”

Fred West springs to mind.

AlargeClaret wrote:This is tin foil hat nirvana !

Though what if he did actually kill himself ?rather than spend his all his life being bummed in prison . I very much doubt he was murdered though 1000’s of prisoners die every year worldwide from suicide when they should have been on “ watch”

Its highly unlikely that Epstein was physically murdered by someone else however that really isnt the issue.

As Seth Abramson explains
"If you want to understand what an absolutely *enormous* scandal Epstein's death is, understand this: in the whole American criminal justice system, no inmate was more in danger of suicide or homicide than Epstein. And *everyone* in law enforcement knew it. And now Epstein's dead."

If Jack Ruby can get to Lee Harvey Oswald, Epstein was easy.

Sometimes the best conspiracy theories can divert suspicion to the wrong party. It isn’t always the most obvious suspect.

Darnhill Claret wrote:If Jack Ruby can get to Lee Harvey Oswald, Epstein was easy.

Yes but Jack Ruby got to Lee Harvey Oswald in plain sight. Again I'll quote Seth as he articulates the point far better than I can

"To kill someone in federal custody who's in a single-occupancy cell under CCTV or live monitoring, and to have the time to arrange the scene and the body to create the appearance of a suicide-by-hanging for the autopsy...no. It's a frankly preposterous notion. It wouldn't happen.

Had something like that happened you would've heard news minutes after the news of Epstein's death revealing that a) a guard is unexpectedly gone from the MCC or b) there are no signs of strangulation—and instead some evidence of blood toxicity.

Instead, we had none of those things—and repeated corroboration of on-site evidence suggesting a hanging, which leaves investigators seeing a suicide but wondering whether outside forces somehow facilitated, induced, or negligently looked away from (and thus enabled) the suicide."

The above sums it up for me. It is the deliberate negligence ordered/supported from up on high to ensure Epstein was able to kill himself when it should have been totally impossible that is the disgrace and scandal IMO

There are a lot of questions to be answered by a lot of people.

I would just encourage my fellow clarets it is very dangerous to get involved in speculation. It is not difficult to prove libel when posted on message boards on the internet.

I was shocked when downloading accounts to a new computer, on certain popular message boards I’d commented on In 2005 started appearing... It has certainly made me more cautious.

elwaclaret wrote:There are a lot of questions to be answered by a lot of people.

I would just encourage my fellow clarets it is very dangerous to get involved in speculation. It is not difficult to prove libel when posted on message boards on the internet.

I was shocked when downloading accounts to a new computer, on certain popular message boards I’d commented on In 2005 started appearing... It has certainly made me more cautious.

If all the libelous comments about Trump were seen by his legal team, for example, they'd probably have to read through hundreds of millions of pages.

I wouldn't worry about it too much!

Judging by the latest news reports over here, it sounds like the Epstein death is just the beginning. Apparently the FBI are undertaking a massive investigation into his co-conspirators. Ghislaine Maxwell ( Roberts daughter) seems to be a suspect. It is also claimed that Epstein kept a diary as an insurance policy !!! Squeeky bum time for many I suspect. Not sure even the Deep State can keep a lid on this one. Lots of rumours about his murder/suicide being circulated.

You can tell there's definitely something behind this: the BBC have it on their front page stating that the "conspiracy theories are unsubstantiated".

claret_in_exile wrote:You can tell there's definitely something behind this: the BBC have it on their front page stating that the "conspiracy theories are unsubstantiated".

And Epsteins cell mate was apparently taken to another cell many hours before he died and no 30 minute checks were carried out. Nothing suspicious at all

Somebody tunneled into the cell from the grassy knoll and gave Epstein an injection with an untraceable deadly chemical. Got back to the grassy knoll, turned into a lizard under the cover of darkness & rode off on Shergar.
A bloke down the pub told me this, he's got a brother who's in the know in high places, be careful who you tell though, they might come for you.

With such wealth at the core of this whole saga the money grubbing on show will be world class in its “ xyx once touched my ars3e” scope . I see Epstein’s mrs is already claiming she gave Clooney a bj! How much did old George pay her to put that out there I wonder? Spending 10yrs in a dinner jacket getting in and out of Ferrari’s with supermodels means you’re either an Uber stallion playboy or erm ... Simon Cowell or Gorgeous George !

Prince Andrew eh?
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