Does he still say on turf instead of on t'turf. If he does then it just shows how much respect he demands round the place that no one has the bottle to tell him .

If anybody does have bottle, he'll take it off them when we score and have a drink out of it.

"on turf" is an irritating construction that long predates Dyche. Adrian Heath picked it up but certainly didn't invent it. "At turf" gets used as well.

Its lot better than when managers say on our patch or our own back yard
Back yard in my day was were long drop was and bloody coal bunker

Shouldn’t it be “ on’t Turf”?

RammyClaret61 wrote:Shouldn’t it be “ on’t Turf”?

The ‘t’ in t’Turf is shortened from the word ‘the’, as in on THE Turf. Locally it gets on t’Turf.

When you contract a word an apostrophe is used in place of the missing letters, so the becomes t’.

If it was “on’t Turf” then letters would be missing in between the n and the t. I have seen it done your way and that’s as irritating to see as “on Turf” which Dyche says.

Claretforever wrote:The ‘t’ in t’Turf is shortened from the word ‘the’, as in on THE Turf. Locally it gets on t’Turf.

When you contract a word an apostrophe is used in place of the missing letters, so the becomes t’.

If it was “on’t Turf” then letters would be missing in between the n and the t. I have seen it done your way and that’s as irritating to see as “on Turf” which Dyche says.

Thanks for your answer. That clears that up. Utc.

Claretforever wrote:The ‘t’ in t’Turf is shortened from the word ‘the’, as in on THE Turf. Locally it gets on t’Turf.

When you contract a word an apostrophe is used in place of the missing letters, so the becomes t’.

If it was “on’t Turf” then letters would be missing in between the n and the t. I have seen it done your way and that’s as irritating to see as “on Turf” which Dyche says.

I understand your logic about apostrophes being used to indicate missing letters ie can't or isn't. I think this is different.

I know your way is commonly used in literature. If you read Wuthering Heights she adds the t' to the following word but that isn't how it is spoken.

I think when you speak the 't' for 'the' is added to the word before and the space comes after the 't'.

"He went ont bus" rather than "He went on tbus."

"She played wit ball" rather than "She played wi tball"

Perhaps it's time we sorted this out so when southerners are trying to act as northerners they put their 't's in the right places.

I hate all these spelling police and all this righteousness that goes on, the pulling posters and sniggering just to get a kick, what's it matter.
I've been flag up lots it's a message board for fans into the same thing but its like a battle field at times from some arrogant posters who portray to know more with blind fact knowledge.
I'll put all this into prospective I am dying with a terminal illness that's prospective and these little trait's mean shite all end of rant UTC

Longside I am really sorry to hear about your condition. This type of thread is clearly unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

I contributed to the discussion because I thought Rammy Claret had a point which I haven't seen discussed before and thought it was worth exploring.

I wanted to challenge the norm of where the 't' is placed.

There are, of course, always far more important things to worry about but I think we should still be able to talk about frivolous things like this too.

I wish you and everyone else well with the more serious problems you may face.

How about the word won’t, should that not be willn’t?

Pedantry is wonderful "innit" or should that be "isn't it" or perhaps "in't it"... or even "is it not" ....

Lets face it, who gives a **** really ...

****'s sake people, we all know whats meant.

Quite often people get pulled up for stray or misused apostrophes because the accuser has lost an argument...

As Longside4ever says there are far more important things in life.

I echo Roger in expressing my good wishes to you and yours, and sending all the best at this difficult time....

On turf will do for me. Ont turf is a lancashire thing. Dyche is from kettering. He still gets the meaning. Hes just a bit more articulate than us

Are you going on everyone used to say that, not one person said "do you mean on the Turf"

Onturf...one word

Anyway who’s going down’t turf today?

Longside4evr wrote:Are you going on everyone used to say that, not one person said "do you mean on the Turf"

Agree. The word Turf was not needed.

Are you going on this weekend?

keith1879 wrote:"on turf" is an irritating construction that long predates Dyche. Adrian Heath picked it up but certainly didn't invent it. "At turf" gets used as well.

I'm currently doing some research into the Riley family history - trying to build on my Dad's papers that he left 30 years ago. I have read two old letters written by my Grandmother in 1950 and 1951 and although the grammar is generally standard they both use the phrase "in house" when she clearly means "in the house". I'm starting to think that completely omitting "the" is an old local dialect habit and that "on turf" is just a remnant.

Hopefully this is a momentary reminder of more measured times before VAR and the EU referendum.

No one in Burnley says "The" if they don`t have to...

RammyClaret61 wrote:Thanks for your answer. That clears that up. Utc.

Shouldn't that be Ut'c?

Bosscat » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:17 am ..............

"Pedantry is wonderful "innit" or should that be "isn't it" or perhaps "in't it"... or even "is it not" ....

Lets face it, who gives a **** really ...

****'s sake people, we all know whats meant."


The topic is worthy of discussion. Local accents, idiomatic expression, common sayings are all part of our identity and our heritage, and, whilst some people are uncomfortable about being connected with or identified by them, they are what they are and part of us. They can serve as a subtle identifier between members of the tribe, - Sean saying "on Turf" and Jay R. saying "on t'Turf" tells us plenty.

addisclaret wrote:Shouldn't that be Ut'c?

Well....maybe it should be UC. Look back at old news cuttings from the days of Peter Higgs and Granville Shackleton and you wil see plenty of places where they use "Clarets" rather than "the Clarets".

It's something I've never heard elsewhere ....definitely different from the Yorkshire t'

keith1879 wrote:"on turf" is an irritating construction that long predates Dyche. Adrian Heath picked it up but certainly didn't invent it. "At turf" gets used as well.

Shouldn't it be 'on the Turf' really? Just asking like.

houseboy wrote:Shouldn't it be 'on the Turf' really? Just asking like.

I would say so....but I'm not from Burnley.

I'm from Colne and will often hear people saying "Are you going down't turf today" as opposed to on't turf. But anywhere is downhill from Colne