Both made a big difference here.

Don't you know?? We can only make subs when we're 4 down, or there's 2 minutes of the game left.

I actually said he won't bring Vydra on unless we're 4 down.

Not SD's best ever day for me, I thought the original tactical choices were poor.

Vydra could have been on at half time for me. Barnes wasn't going to give Zouma any problems whatsoever. Give them something different to think about.

Vydra did nothing at all for me.

Brady not to bad but looked knackered after his cameo.

jrgbfc wrote:Vydra could have been on at half time for me. Barnes wasn't going to give Zouma any problems whatsoever.

You must have missed all them free kicks he was winning.

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You must have missed all them free kicks he was winning.

More experimental at 60 & 80 plus with the game gone, reducing a lesser deficit it would have been something not necessary guaranteed but against lesser opposition 1 or 2 introduced sooner or later, you never know for a point or a late 3.

Showed how vital Wood is for us and the way we play

I know I'll probably be in the minority but I just don't think Barnes is offering enough to be an automatic starter at present. I'd like to see Wood and Jay given a run of games together.

dougcollins wrote:
Not SD's best ever day for me, I thought the original tactical choices were poor.

I thought tactically we were pretty sound, we just committed a couple of defensive errors for the first 2 goals! Other than that we put in a good performance especially in the first half.

jrgbfc wrote:I know I'll probably be in the minority but I just don't think Barnes is offering enough to be an automatic starter at present. I'd like to see Wood and Jay given a run of games together.

Jay scored a world class goal. But was useless until then

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Jay scored a world class goal. But was useless until then

Offered more than Barnes.

jrgbfc wrote:I know I'll probably be in the minority but I just don't think Barnes is offering enough to be an automatic starter at present. I'd like to see Wood and Jay given a run of games together.

To be fair, I think Barnes tends to offer more than Wood. If Wood isn’t scoring (I know he’s had a couple recently) he has more tendency than Barnes to go missing.

DCWat wrote:To be fair, I think Barnes tends to offer more than Wood. If Wood isn’t scoring (I know he’s had a couple recently) he has more tendency than Barnes to go missing.

I'd say Wood is our biggest goal threat so he has to play. I'm pretty sure if everyone is fit Dyche will play it safe and go back to him and Barnes.

jrgbfc wrote:I'd say Wood is our biggest goal threat so he has to play. I'm pretty sure if everyone is fit Dyche will play it safe and go back to him and Barnes.

If he gets the right service, I’d probably agree. It’s his overall contribution that I think can let him down a little too often.

With Wood out I would have gone 4-5-1 with Hendrick central. Only one of Ash or Jay, probably Ash.

Wood does have some games where he is anonymous but not lately. He also has some outstanding games regardless of the goals. We don’t always play to his strengths but there is a very good and underestimated player in there.

Did Vydra actually touch the ball in a positive way? Does he actually train with the first team squad because he looked so lost, like he had no understanding of anything others were trying to do.

Last time Vydra played properly he assisted Hendrick’s late equaliser at Brighton. Why we waited until 4-0 to bring him on, especially the way Rodriguez and Barnes had been playing, I do not know.

Very happy for Brady on another note.

Burnley Ace wrote:Did Vydra actually touch the ball in a positive way? Does he actually train with the first team squad because he looked so lost, like he had no understanding of anything others were trying to do.

What are you actually expecting from a player who gets around 2 minutes game time once a month?
If he's lucky.

Juan Tanamera wrote:What are you actually expecting from a player who gets around 2 minutes game time once a month?
If he's lucky.

He had 30 mins and (again) did nothing to suggest he’s anything more than 4th choice.

I thought Brady did well but Vydra offered very little.

Burnley Ace wrote:He had 30 mins and (again) did nothing to suggest he’s anything more than 4th choice.

What was the score while Vydra was on the pitch?

2-0 to Burnley?

1-0 to Burnley at Brighton while he was on the pitch. There might be a pattern occurring.

I’m not a big fan of Vydra, but the logic of moving Jay Rod wide when he came on and the banging high balls into Vydra was completely lost on me.

Hapag Lloyd wrote:I thought Brady did well but Vydra offered very little.

Give him 90 minutes instead of Cameos and the picture could become clearer one way or the other....Brady did well in what way?

To be fair to Barnes, that is the worst he's played for at least a couple of years.

And you can probably guess that he's could have done with another couple of days off after his injury.

But we look a lot better overall with Barnes and Wood, and I don't think either JayRod or Vydra have offered enough to change that anytime soon.

Great goal yesterday, but Jay Rod looks every inch a £5-10m striker so far.

We’ve got more strength in-depth than we’ve had before, but not enough of our bench players offer as much as as starting XI, perhaps with the exception of the full-backs and wide options.

All the back-up to the spine of the team is a downgrade and it shows whenever we have injuries.

J Rod had a tough 2 starts ,Leics away and Chels at home ( 2 super form teams ) was always gonna slim pickings for the forwards with not even a recognised right winger to help out. Drinkwater is a player JRod could play off and he could yet come good with confidence boosted .

Brady has no place with McNeil in the side ( unfortunately ) and he’s not one who suits playing out of position imo

Barnes is normally excellent, particularly with the "way we play", but he didn't look properly fit to me, never caused them any problems or ruffled them once and he missed the only real chance which came his way. It seems now that it would have been better to leave him out yesterday.

tim_noone wrote:Give him 90 minutes instead of Cameos and the picture could become clearer one way or the other....Brady did well in what way?

Based on what? He has not ever suggested that he is anything other than a back up. We cannot afford the risk of giving him a start. Nothing to lose when he came on and still he did nothing. I’m sure there are Championship clubs that would be interested in him.

Burnley Ace wrote:Based on what? He has not ever suggested that he is anything other than a back up. We cannot afford the risk of giving him a start. Nothing to lose when he came on and still he did nothing. I’m sure there are Championship clubs that would be interested in him.

Why is such a risk to give him a start? He's not some 16 year old kid. He couldn't have been any worse than Barnes yesterday.

Brady was very bright. Played a couple of neat reverse passes for the late goals.

I actually think he could be effective playing as a no 10. He can be effective when he's in the middle of the pitch rather than stuck out wide where, for a winger, he sometimes looks uncomfortable and cramped for space.

Burnley Ace wrote:Based on what? He has not ever suggested that he is anything other than a back up. We cannot afford the risk of giving him a start. Nothing to lose when he came on and still he did nothing. I’m sure there are Championship clubs that would be interested in him.

Which if thats the case makes it ecen more baffling we bothered buying him.

I saw nothing in the 35 minutes Vydra had on the pitch last night to suggest he could be worth a start. I was willing him to have an effective appearance when he came on....but he didn't.

The only single contribution I recall Vydra making was holding up a ball on the touch line and laying it back to a team mate. He hardly offered anything and despite us scoring two very late goals we were noticeably poorer after Barnes was substituted. We were also poorer when Vydra came on against Brighton despite his lovely flick to set up a goal.

It wasn’t Barnes’ day but he still gained us territory by winning free kicks and on another day would have scored a couple of goals. Ridiculous to suggest that Vydra offered more than him.

Brady looked lively though and I think assisted both goals.

Slag Barnes off for missing 1 sitter, 1 really good chance and a couple of half-chances if you want. That would be harsh given his record but accurate. But going from that to, "He didn't cause them problems" is retro-fitting the outcome to what actually happened. And getting it wrong. Badly.

When Barnes was scoring, we had the Wood critics sounding off. Wood scores and the Barnes critics take over.

jrgbfc wrote:Why is such a risk to give him a start? He's not some 16 year old kid. He couldn't have been any worse than Barnes yesterday.

Yet he was. At least Barnes got in a position to miss, Vydra couldn’t even manage that.

When Vydra came on for Barnes, Jay was pushed out to the right and Hendrick played off the striker, was a strange decision imo as it nullified any threat from Jay? It was only when Brady came on and Jay pushed central again we banged a couple in.

DCWat wrote:To be fair, I think Barnes tends to offer more than Wood. If Wood isn’t scoring (I know he’s had a couple recently) he has more tendency than Barnes to go missing.

That’s the stereotypical view of Wood that is so very, very wrong. His work off the ball, his running the channels, his hold up play is vital to us. We are so much a better team with him than we are without him.

ClaretTony wrote:That’s the stereotypical view of Wood that is so very, very wrong. His work off the ball, his running the channels, his hold up play is vital to us. We are so much a better team with him than we are without him.

Shh you can't speak like that about Wood on here....don't you know he's offside more than anyone else!

jrgbfc wrote:I know I'll probably be in the minority but I just don't think Barnes is offering enough to be an automatic starter at present. I'd like to see Wood and Jay given a run of games together.

Fully agree with this. Think Barnes can have more impact from the bench at the minute.