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Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:40 am
by Vegas Claret
just have a look at the replay around 55 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COIGsRMo-lY

No excuse to be that poor, particularly disappointed with Hendrick's lack of effort but they were all dreadful - that goal is very poor one for us

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:46 am
by Devils_Advocate
I thought Lowtons half arsed challenge was the pick of the bunch for that goal but the way Son ran through our team took me back to the early days of Kick Off and Sensible Soccer

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:40 am
by tim_noone
What defending?

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:02 am
by Millertime v1.7
Mate, stick it in the match thread. Starting a new thread for every minor incident is why this place is in such a mess. I despair with some internet warriors sometimes.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:40 am
by Vegas Claret
Millertime v1.7 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:02 am
Mate, stick it in the match thread. Starting a new thread for every minor incident is why this place is in such a mess. I despair with some internet warriors sometimes.
mate, stick to your own board - you calling someone a warrior is the most pot kettle black thing I've read on here

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:29 am
by ClaretLoup
TBF to Lowton he was already on a yellow. It's Pieters or McMeil who should have taken one for the team.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:01 am
by jrgbfc
Don't think I dare watch it again. It looked bad enough live.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:13 am
by beddie
Get use to watching it,it'll probably be shown for sometime to come and could well end up being goal of the season. :x

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:19 am
by Grimsdale
Hope it's not going to become like that Eddie Gray goal against us they always show.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:26 am
by Hibsclaret
If you watch it back it is certainly McNeil who should have taken one for the team on this goal. McNeil needs to improve on his defending decisions in these sort of situations. Beyond that he was our best player by far though.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:29 am
by Buxtonclaret
;)
Grimsdale wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:19 am
Hope it's not going to become like that Eddie Gray goal against us they always show.
Actually
said that watching the first replay of it on my stream, it'll take over from the Gray one. :lol:

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:42 am
by Dark Cloud
Lowton had already had a yellow and was the one player who couldn't foul him for that reason, but the others, probably chiefly Pieters, had plenty of chance. It was actually OUR free kick FF!! When he scored I almost burst out laughing!! It was THAT embarrassing!

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:49 am
by Marvins Van
No doubt that Jeff Hendrick 'jogging' back almost put Son off....

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:15 am
by Tricky Trevor
Not just that goal but we backed off into our penalty area every time they ran at us. At some point you have to front them up and make them make a decision. Terrible defending all day.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:19 am
by Wile E Coyote
apart from being applauded for being able to run from his area to ours, he only went past 2 of our players, the rest were just caught in his slipstream as he sauntered along without a care in the world.

and yes, its spurs, therefore it will be shown endlessly .

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:24 am
by cricketfieldclarets
Tarks should have stopped him in their box. Incidentally what was tarks actually doing there.

Kanes goal was no better defending tbh.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:31 am
by bodge
It was clear from the big screen replays that Hendrick did not do enough and should have got in a position to take Son out or get a challenge in, a few others Lowton excepted could also have taken one for the team.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:40 am
by tiger76
This goal shows how much we need a defensive midfielder to protect the backline,there's no way Son should be allowed to run 70 yards without a challenge/tactical foul being made,naivety at best and lack of effort at worst.summed up the 90 minutes,we threw the towel in after 10 minutes,that's unacceptable at any level.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:43 am
by Devils_Advocate
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:46 am
I thought Lowtons half arsed challenge was the pick of the bunch for that goal but the way Son ran through our team took me back to the early days of Kick Off and Sensible Soccer
Seen it back and it was McNeil not Lowton who made the pathetic attempt of a tackle I was on about so he now wins 1st prize for me

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:59 am
by Helmshore Claret
On Friday, I asked for:
A decent performance for the travelling fans (didn't get it)
No yellow cards to 'key players'.
No injuries.
We all knew that we were likely to get a good hiding, so no shocks there. Perhaps Dyche told them "And remember lads don't start taking 'one for the team' " if so I would back him.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:42 pm
by Murger
It gets worse the more times you watch it. Beyond amateur.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:02 pm
by Hibsclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:43 am
Seen it back and it was McNeil not Lowton who made the pathetic attempt of a tackle I was on about so he now wins 1st prize for me
If you’d have been at the stadium you’d have seen it on the big screens and come to that conclusion much earlier, perhaps even yesterday as most of us did.

Tbh McNeil is largely to blame for not fouling Son for the 3rd and for poor control on the first.

He was brilliant after that though

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:05 pm
by Steve1956
The stream I watched the commentators were screaming goal of the season,I'm 63 and I could have run from one end of the pitch tut tuther and scored that unchallenged ,goal of the season ...what a load of boll0cks

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:07 pm
by CoolClaret
Pieters had the opportunity to go through him and he pulled out - total bitch move in my opinion

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:13 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:02 pm
If you’d have been at the stadium you’d have seen it on the big screens and come to that conclusion much earlier, perhaps even yesterday as most of us did.

Tbh McNeil is largely to blame for not fouling Son for the 3rd and for poor control on the first.

He was brilliant after that though
Had better things to do yesterday thanks. Hope VAR isnt getting you too down fella it really isnt worth all your angst

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:54 pm
by Dark Cloud
cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:24 am
Tarks should have stopped him in their box. Incidentally what was tarks actually doing there.

Kanes goal was no better defending tbh.
Tarks was in their box for OUR free kick and it actually wasn't that bad a free kick tbh and went pretty much straight to him, but he failed to gather it and control it and the rest is (allegedly :roll: ) goal of the f'ing season!!

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:39 pm
by BOYSIE31
I would lock them all up in a room tomorrow and put this goal on a tv on repeat for 2 hours

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:46 pm
by tim_noone
Steve1956 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:05 pm
The stream I watched the commentators were screaming goal of the season,I'm 63 and I could have run from one end of the pitch tut tuther and scored that unchallenged ,goal of the season ...what a load of boll0cks
Exactly this Steve.....

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:59 pm
by Steve1956
tim_noone wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:46 pm
Exactly this Steve.....
In fact Bella Emberg herself could have scored it ;)

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:20 pm
by dougcollins
As much as I like Son, he's not Maradona.

Though we made him look like it.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:55 pm
by Hibsclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:13 pm
Had better things to do yesterday thanks. Hope VAR isnt getting you too down fella it really isnt worth all your angst
Still had time to suggest I hadn’t been though....

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:11 pm
by strayclaret
Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:54 pm
Tarks was in their box for OUR free kick and it actually wasn't that bad a free kick tbh and went pretty much straight to him, but he failed to gather it and control it and the rest is (allegedly :roll: ) goal of the f'ing season!!
Tarks had his shirt pulled at the free kick and lost valuable time rightly complaining to the ref. Whether it made any difference is anyone’s guess.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:16 pm
by randomclaret2
Pathetic "defending '

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:21 pm
by boatshed bill
When a player camn dribble faster than any of our players can run 50 metres there's something very wrong.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:51 pm
by Papabendi
A recruitment drive that means players signed going forwards, have genuine pace, anyone?

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:33 pm
by Middle-agedClaret
Is “taking one for the team” any different from “cynically fouling an opponent whose skill and speed makes us look amateurish “?
Just asking...

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:50 am
by Vegas Claret
Middle-agedClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:33 pm
Is “taking one for the team” any different from “cynically fouling an opponent whose skill and speed makes us look amateurish “?
Just asking...

Dyche mentions it in his post match interview, clearly disappointed nobody committed a tactical foul - labelled us naive

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:55 am
by Woodleyclaret
Reminiscent of Terry Butchers non tackle on cheat Maradona
9 yr olds put in more tackles at half time in home games

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:57 am
by Murger
Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:50 am
Dyche mentions it in his post match interview, clearly disappointed nobody committed a tactical foul - labelled us naive

After 4 consecutive seasons in the PL, being naive doesn't wash I'm afraid.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:26 pm
by Helmshore Claret
I have looked at the replay several times and had Pieters been properly moving he was in a perfect position to take the ball cleanly, without the need to 'take one for the team. Trouble is,no right foot, although, I'm sure I will be reminded of his right footed 'spooned' clearance which became an assist against Southampton. If Dyche played him so that he could rest Taylor for this Saturday, then I am ok with that.

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:55 pm
by tim_noone
beddie wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:13 am
Get use to watching it,it'll probably be shown for sometime to come and could well end up being goal of the season. :x
Archie Gemmil Scotland against Holland 1978 World Cup scored one of the Great Goals...he beat his opponents not given a guard of honour and doffed hats has he weaved his way to goal!

Re: Defending for Son's goal

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:58 pm
by damo_whitehead
I was absolutely furious at the time from the defending of this goal and I still am. The worst thing is I'll probably see it over and over again for years to come! Amateur defending