Most Championship clubs average a higher % than that. The top clubs get over 70%.

Why can't we just pass the feckin ball properly. Gone are the days of "Not enough money" - look at Sheffield United. They don't have the millions upon millions, yet they have signed players who can pass a football from A to B, and are in the top 10.

He's done a great job in keeping us up - by sitting in a bunker with rifles in our hands, but we have scored some quality goals by passing the bloody thing and after several years he should have spotted some talent and got us playing better football.

Rant over.

Our highest pass success for a while

If only we could control the ball when we get it

23 23 successful passes

Playing football the Sean Dyche way

Not a single effort on goal for us says far more...

It's because we play long percentage balls. We could've dicked about with it at the back to massage that stat If you'd have liked?

Not good enough on the ball today but Everton are a very good team. Defended admirably but just not enough in the tank.

Whatever the pass rate was Everton were never going to win that game until Dwight gets caught out. Brilliant defensive performance against a team with a new manager, hence different tactics. They looked like they were never going to score and nil nil would have been a good and fair result. All this is irrespective of the doom mongers on here....

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:12 pm

It's because we play long percentage balls. We could've dicked about with it at the back to massage that stat If you'd have liked?

Not good enough on the ball today but Everton are a very good team. Defended admirably but just not enough in the tank.

No.

No it isn't.

Just so you know - long balls aren't classed as passing. We've had 70%+ a few times this season and all we did was pass it long so it's most certainly not that.

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:12 pm

It's because we play long percentage balls. We could've dicked about with it at the back to massage that stat If you'd have liked?

Not good enough on the ball today but Everton are a very good team. Defended admirably but just not enough in the tank.

Everton were crap today - to quote my Everton mate who was at the game "shocking game, two very poor teams, no entertainment at all"

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:12 pm

It's because we play long percentage balls. We could've dicked about with it at the back to massage that stat If you'd have liked?

Not good enough on the ball today but Everton are a very good team. Defended admirably but just not enough in the tank.

Teams don't pass the ball to each other to make their stats look good. They do it because that's how you're supposed to play the game of football

I watched the game and there were a couple of Evertonians watching with us. At the end of the game one said : "that was a f.ckin awful game, we were rubbish but you (Burnley) were f.ckin awful, how can you watch that every week?" I have to agree with him, our style of football over the last few games has been garbage, we can't pass to each other, our midfield is absolutely clueless, Westwood and Cork are not good enough for the PL, McNeil needs a rest, our forwards get no service whatsoever: sorry but we are very, very poor at the moment.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:10 pm

23 23 successful passes

Playing football the Sean Dyche way

Thats an astounding stat. Consindering that goal we scored there 2 years ago had 24 passes in the build up

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:23 pm

I watched the game and there were a couple of Evertonians watching with us. At the end of the game one said : "that was a f.ckin awful game, we were rubbish but you (Burnley) were f.ckin awful, how can you watch that every week?" I have to agree with him, our style of football over the last few games has been garbage, we can't pass to each other, our midfield is absolutely clueless, Westwood and Cork are not good enough for the PL, McNeil needs a rest, our forwards get no service whatsoever: sorry but we are very, very poor at the moment.

Some people won't like this, but we are still a Championship club in terms of quality - Leeds and West Brom ARE better than us. They would beat us if it was a Premier League game. It's a bit embarrassing.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he hasn't done a brilliant job for us. He has! And we have made a lot of money by staying in the Prem. But improving a Premier League side is beyond him. He's had more than enough time to do it.

And it's not about losing. I can take losing away to Everton. It's our poor performance - again.

Just watched Knobenders score a great footballing goal against Leeds. They passed the ball from their own box through midfield to their strikers to score a fabulous goal. Every pass on the deck, passing into space for a player to run on to, simple free flowing football with an end product. Why can't we do that?

Dyche won’t allow it

Pass rate is unimportant, it is the passes which open up defences which matter.

ablueclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:43 pm

Pass rate is unimportant, it is the passes which open up defences which matter.

There's always one.

Preston have had 7 shots with 2 on target in 25 minutes against Leeds away.

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Just watched Knobenders score a great footballing goal against Leeds. They passed the ball from their own box through midfield to their strikers to score a fabulous goal. Every pass on the deck, passing into space for a player to run on to, simple free flowing football with an end product. Why can't we do that?

I have yet to see a Championship team play as well as we did at Brentford when we won the title....so frankly what Preston (a team never to grace the prem) do I really couldn’t give a to55

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 pm

Preston have had 7 shots with 2 on target in 25 minutes against Leeds away.

Not sure what that has to do with passing success, but they seem to be all over Leeds.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:47 pm

Not sure what that has to do with passing success, but they seem to be all over Leeds.

A league below, a supposedly inferior team against a strong promotion contender.

Night and day compared to our match.

Arsenal used to be supreme masters of pass rate but that meant nothing.
If there was a simple relationship between pass rate and goals scored and conceded we would be third tier.

Bizarre comparing to championship

taio wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:50 pm

Bizarre comparing to championship

Thanks for input.

Passing a football does not need to be coached,it's inbread if you played as a child, Burnley players look like a bunch of blokes from the jobcentre on their first day at work in a job they haven't done before

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:50 pm

Thanks for input.

You're welcome. Big difference in the two leagues.

Chances created & expected goals is a much better metric to judge the team against

Everton have 2 footballers that they paid about 90 million for. That would pay for both Preston and Leeds’ teams....for a bit of context

taio wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:54 pm

You're welcome. Big difference in the two leagues.

Cool.

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:47 pm

I have yet to see a Championship team play as well as we did at Brentford when we won the title....so frankly what Preston (a team never to grace the prem) do I really couldn’t give a to55

Do you think our team is better now than the one tgat best Brentford.? Big difference in the leagues but I dont think we are any better. We have to be thankful for a good defence. They have an off day and we get battered.
Midfield is practically non existent.

Vino blanco wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:41 pm

Just watched Knobenders score a great footballing goal against Leeds. They passed the ball from their own box through midfield to their strikers to score a fabulous goal. Every pass on the deck, passing into space for a player to run on to, simple free flowing football with an end product. Why can't we do that?

Sounds a bit like the goal we scored against Brighton earlier this season (which was a bit of a surprise as we struggled to string two passes together for a lot of that game).

aggi wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:59 pm

Sounds a bit like the goal we scored against Brighton earlier this season (which was a bit of a surprise as we struggled to string two passes together for a lot of that game).

And that’s what’s most galling. We can play good, pass and move football, but most of the time we elect not to.

Indeed. You can line this team up man for man with the team that went to Everton 2 years ago and won with a 23 man goal, and technically it is not materially worse - or at least, needn't be. But we have become increasingly on a very rigid, basic 442 and whilst results this calendar year have been good, and we've gone from a disastrous league position to a very good one, its increasingly apparent that that set up often comes at the expense of any attempt to play a more refined style of football.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:15 pm

No.

No it isn't.

Just so you know - long balls aren't classed as passing. We've had 70%+ a few times this season and all we did was pass it long so it's most certainly not that.

Wasn't aware of that.

I'd imagine those 70% were at home, not away.

I care more about the win than the manner of it. I love frustrating opposition teams with our style. I don't want our opponents to like how we play!

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Do you think our team is better now than the one tgat best Brentford.? Big difference in the leagues but I dont think we are any better. We have to be thankful for a good defence. They have an off day and we get battered.
Midfield is practically non existent.

Quite clearly it is...given we have finished in Europe since and are now a comfortable premier league team.

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:08 pm

I care more about the win than the manner of it. I love frustrating opposition teams with our style. I don't want our opponents to like how we play!

And I can totally understand that. My point is more about us not improving our style after a few years.

Sure, staying up is what matters. Of course it is. It brings in a lot of money and it also helps the town. But we should be slowly improving our play on the pitch and, well... we aren't.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:12 pm

And I can totally understand that. My point is more about us not improving our style after a few years.

Sure, staying up is what matters. Of course it is. It brings in a lot of money and it also helps the town. But we should be slowly improving our play on the pitch and, well... we aren't.

In fact we're going in the opposite direction.

For what they earn it should be 100% pass rate, they are playing on the football field equivalent of snooker tables after all.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:15 pm

In fact we're going in the opposite direction.

Pretty much, yes

Fans often tell us the football under cotteral was the worst,but what they don't remind you of is we didn't have a pot to **** in and I think only 8 contracted players,a far cry from,the multi millionaires who bless the turf nowadays

58% is higher than it felt. Passes between the centre halves and Pope making up the numbers ffs

I would bet our pass rate success to Everton was even higher

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:28 pm

I would bet our pass rate success to Everton was even higher

Higher to what?

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:09 pm

Quite clearly it is...given we have finished in Europe since and are now a comfortable premier league team.

Strange, I'm not feeling so comfortable.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:33 pm

Strange, I'm not feeling so comfortable.

I agree we've only had one comfortable PL season in the 7th placed campaign,and we're just 6 points off the dropzone,with some tricky fixtures to come in the next month or two,i hope the squad isn't as complacent as some of the posters on here,we could quite easily be dragged into a survival battle.

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:12 pm

It's because we play long percentage balls. We could've dicked about with it at the back to massage that stat If you'd have liked?

Not good enough on the ball today but Everton are a very good team. Defended admirably but just not enough in the tank.

Everton were there for the taking today. Very cautious and nervy until they realised we.had.little.intention of trying to score a.goal. Just no initiative from us and a very relieved support celebrating at the end. Everton may become a good side but currently are treading just as much water as us.1

Don't remember much chat about '% pass rate last week and had we ' stolen it' today the mood would be totally different . Dyche is still able to motivate the side in the games which really matter and he is still working on a relative 'shoe string'. Today I was wondering just how much more the Everton team was in comparison to ours; starting with the the keepers the difference was £29m,so I decided to leave it there.

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:25 pm

Thats an astounding stat. Consindering that goal we scored there 2 years ago had 24 passes in the build up

We had a good passing move that led to a goal. It was two years and two months ago.

When will this stop being the knee-jerk response to any critique or analysis of our current style? Three years? Five? Ten?

Everton are a bang average side. Why do we go there terrified of them and play like some lower league team in a cup game hoping to pick up a few scraps?

Claretmatt4 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:08 pm

Wasn't aware of that.

I'd imagine those 70% were at home, not away.

I care more about the win than the manner of it. I love frustrating opposition teams with our style. I don't want our opponents to like how we play!

Do you enjoy watching us time waste before half time? We had a last second corner in the first half and elected to use it as an opportunity to waste time.

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:56 pm

Everton have 2 footballers that they paid about 90 million for. That would pay for both Preston and Leeds’ teams....for a bit of context

That must be the reason we can't string two passes together, that's the most concerning for me. I feel we are going backwards, are we better that the side that finished 7th? No. Are we buying better players?No.
Are we playing better football?No. The transfer excuses have already come out, yet Sheffield United, a newly promoted side have said they will be strengthening.. frustrating and worrying times