Strange one.
Was it because the manager thought an extra header in the box would do it or, not Drinkeater at any price?

Vydra must be thinking, get me out of here.

Ian-with you on this.Infact just posted

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:24 pm

Strange one.
Was it because the manager thought an extra header in the box would do it or, not Drinkeater at any price?

Would have been a good move. Apart from the fact we don't have a midfielder capable of putting a ball in the box to win.....

A thinly veiled statement to the Board with the transfer window about to open ?

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:24 pm

Strange one.
Was it because the manager thought an extra header in the box would do it or, not Drinkeater at any price?

Drinky needs game time, why should we give him this so he can build fitness for another club. He will not play again for Burnley. Complete waste of time and money

What does all the debating on this forum achieve,f all ,just ends up drunken banter , slagging off the team and management, same again next week

Mark Monington used to come on as striker quite regular. When he wasn't in goal.

I’m not so sure he was still on the bench at the end. I saw him go down the tunnel as Barnes came on for Wood.

dermotdermot wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:53 pm

I’m not so sure he was still on the bench at the end. I saw him go down the tunnel as Barnes came on for Wood.

I saw that too and thought it was odd but he did return a few minutes later

Sunday league mentality. "Let's throw the big lad upfront for 5".

Pretty embarrassing really

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:13 pm

Sunday league mentality. "Let's throw the big lad upfront for 5".

Well the tactics generally aren’t much of an advancement on that. Ball back to the centre halves and launch it for the big lads. Pick up the scraps. Repeat. Have I missed anything ?
Utterly moribund.

Was definitely one of the worst attempts I’ve seen from us to claw a result back. That added time, Jesus. It was like we were trying to see out a 1-0 loss

Did Drinkwater disappear down the tunnel just before the introduction of Long? It did seem a very strange substitute...maybe he was hoping for a FK and to throw Long into the mix?
Or putting Drinkwater on may cost loads of money??

turfytopper wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:56 pm

Did Drinkwater disappear down the tunnel just before the introduction of Long? It did seem a very strange substitute...maybe he was hoping for a FK and to throw Long into the mix?
Or putting Drinkwater on may cost loads of money??

Not as much as going down would

Since when has bringing on a big fella for a very late free kick ( and the chance of a late corner) when desperately chasing a last min equaliser been a strange/bizzare/unfathomable decision ? Was literally the only dice left to play .

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:07 pm

Since when has bringing on a big fella for a very late free kick ( and the chance of a late corner) when desperately chasing a last min equaliser been a strange/bizzare/unfathomable decision ? Was literally the only dice left to play .

I can’t say iv seen many other sides sub on a central defender with 8 minutes to go when losing 1-0.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:07 pm

Since when has bringing on a big fella for a very late free kick ( and the chance of a late corner) when desperately chasing a last min equaliser been a strange/bizzare/unfathomable decision ? Was literally the only dice left to play .

Exactly.
We bring on Barnes to try and win free-kicks, we bring on an extra big man. Simple tactics tried and tested in football for years.

Tactics for 85 minutes hit it long and be hopeful. For a the last 5 plus injury time hit it longer to Long, all hope had gone.
The biggest cheers of the game, were for a Bardsley tackle and a Kevin Long back header.

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:15 pm

Exactly.
We bring on Barnes to try and win free-kicks, we bring on an extra big man. Simple tactics tried and tested in football for years.

Then tell me another example of a PL side subbing on a central defender at striker for the final 8-10 minutes while losing 1-0.

Safron wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:47 pm

What does all the debating on this forum achieve,f all ,just ends up drunken banter , slagging off the team and management, same again next week

Here's me thinking that a forum was for dicussion, debating and exchanging ideas etc.

I never drink anything alcoholic so there's no 'drunken banter coming from me.

When I saw Long coming on for Cork I was expecting Long to go at the back with Mee & Tarky to play further forward in midfield.

It wasn’t until I saw Long trying to chase down Mina that I realised he was upfront

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Then tell me another example of a PL side subbing on a central defender at striker for the final 8-10 minutes while losing 1-0.

Liverpool did it on occasion when they had Caulker.
Man City went one better and brought on a goalkeeper upfront.

I don't see a problem with it. Defenders come up for corners to try and score headers so why can't we push a defender forward to win some from a cross.

I love Sean thinking outside the box. Very refreshing. Oh if he'd only scored!!

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Then tell me another example of a PL side subbing on a central defender at striker for the final 8-10 minutes while losing 1-0.

To come up with examples would be pretty hard when I tend only to watch Burnley. One I can think of of-hand is James Collins who went up front often with West Ham.

If you think about it, we focus on playing long balls and winning free kicks, so you can see why Dyche did it. No use bringing Vydra on to win balls in the air is there? Height, Jump and Heading wins all in those situations.

The fact that Long plays centre half is kinda irrelevant, if we had Crouch or Fellani sitting on the bench the job they would have at the end of the game would be the same.

Big Changes needed on the pitch, this was Dyches message to the board. Back me or they will need changes off the pitch aswell. The product on offer has been dismal this season at very best.

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:01 pm

To come up with examples would be pretty hard when I tend only to watch Burnley. One I can think of of-hand is James Collins who went up front often with West Ham.

If you think about it, we focus on playing long balls and winning free kicks, so you can see why Dyche did it. No use bringing Vydra on to win balls in the air is there? Height, Jump and Heading wins all in those situations.

The fact that Long plays centre half is kinda irrelevant, if we had Crouch or Fellani sitting on the bench the job they would have at the end of the game would be the same.

You said subbing on a central defender to play upfront for the final 10 minutes was a tried and tested tactic for years yet can’t name any examples.

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:01 pm

To come up with examples would be pretty hard when I tend only to watch Burnley. One I can think of of-hand is James Collins who went up front often with West Ham.

If you think about it, we focus on playing long balls and winning free kicks, so you can see why Dyche did it. No use bringing Vydra on to win balls in the air is there? Height, Jump and Heading wins all in those situations.

The fact that Long plays centre half is kinda irrelevant, if we had Crouch or Fellani sitting on the bench the job they would have at the end of the game would be the same.

It would have been a Christmas miracle if he’d brought Vydra on, considering he wasn’t on the bench

The right move but 5 mins too late - who did you expect him to bring on - Messi?

Long up front might be a regular occurence if Barnes' injury continues to trouble him

He brought Long on up front because for about the 7th or 8th time this season he preferred to have a 3rd defender as a sub rather than have Vydra on the bench as a second striker.

We must be the only professional team on the planet that prioritises a second back up full back over a second back up striker

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:56 pm

You said subbing on a central defender to play upfront for the final 10 minutes was a tried and tested tactic for years yet can’t name any examples.

Oh I'm sorry. I'll have to be a bit more careful when I post next time. I meant that putting a big man up front. I didn't realise you took it literally.

If you are trying to score from long balls, generally if you put tall people in the opposition box you stand a better chance on winning the ball. Plenty of times teams have ended with 2 central defenders at the back and 1 up front, the fact the tall man was a defender really has little to do with it, he was simply the best option we had on the bench for the job at hand.

Hope you have had a good Xmas KRBFC, I always enjoy your contributions here!

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:56 pm

It would have been a Christmas miracle if he’d brought Vydra on, considering he wasn’t on the bench

To be fair it would be a Christmas miracle if he bought Vydra on if he was on the bench!

Thought long did ok compared to the other so called strikers why don’t we try long and wood up front then we could proper try hoof ball

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:46 pm

Drinky needs game time, why should we give him this so he can build fitness for another club. He will not play again for Burnley. Complete waste of time and money

Utter, utter shite. Other than that, utter shite. Oh, hang on....no. It’s still utter shite. Soz.

An excellent signing, and one that didn’t require much thinking About.

It just so happens that so far it hasn’t been great. Had Cork or Westwood been sidelined and we HADNT done this business, there would be millions on here demanding tha boards resignation. Rightfully so In my humble opinion, but we took a gamble. A Joey Barton gamble. That worked out, I’ve seen nowt to suggest this won’t. Apart from cork off long on....

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:58 pm

The right move but 5 mins too late - who did you expect him to bring on - Messi?

No. But this was the logic.

Brady for JBG like for like.
Barnes for Wood like for like.
Oh **** we are losing better try something different. Erm quick. Big lad up front for central midfielder.

To be fair it's probably the most creative / outside the box sub I remember him making.

In reality alternatives could have been put McNeil or JBG behind the front two and bring Drinkwater into a central three.

Or

Put JBG and McNeil both up top in a 424.

Or

Brought Lowton on wide right for bardsley and gone 352.

Or

Put Hart on for Jay and played for the 1-0

Vokes used to be thrown for his hight
Got us loads of points
Reason he got Crouch to do that same tactic
Long scored for ROI to help them clinch a playoff place not that bizarre if you ask me

Longside4evr wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:12 pm

Vokes used to be thrown for his hight
Got us loads of points
Reason he got Crouch to do that same tactic
Long scored for ROI to help them clinch a playoff place not that bizarre if you ask me

You mean Sam Vokes the striker? With over 100 career goals? And Peter Crouch the striker with over 200?

Kevin Longs a defender. And barely plays there. And he has one league goal for Burnley in an illustrious ten year career of less than 50 league games.

At least you can justify the crouch one even if you dont agree with the signing (like I didnt).

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Then tell me another example of a PL side subbing on a central defender at striker for the final 8-10 minutes while losing 1-0.

We have 6 points from the last three games but the performances have been shocking. I love this club, and have done for 40 years but I've spent hundreds of pounds on the last two away games and almost felt embarrassed. The performances have been dire. Zero football, zero invention, zero .movement. simply whack it forward to Wood or down the channels hoping for something. In my opinion something has to give, our football is worse this season that the last, and that's saying something

when people question Dyche's tactical nous I find it difficult to question (even though the style of play is often shocking) because of what he consistently achieves with a mediocre squad.............but bringing Long on is ******* embarrassing whichever way you look at it (that's not to have a go at Long, it's to have a go at Dyche and the board), 5 seasons in the PL and that's your option is ******* abject levels of pathetic. We are supposed to be a professionally run Premier League club ******* jokers

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:17 pm

You mean Sam Vokes the striker? With over 100 career goals? And Peter Crouch the striker with over 200?

Kevin Longs a defender. And barely plays there. And he has one league goal for Burnley in an illustrious ten year career of less than 50 league games.

At least you can justify the crouch one even if you dont agree with the signing (like I didnt).

That Dutch lad at liverpool scored a brace the other week...hes wasted in defence.

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:17 pm

You mean Sam Vokes the striker? With over 100 career goals? And Peter Crouch the striker with over 200?

Kevin Longs a defender. And barely plays there. And he has one league goal for Burnley in an illustrious ten year career of less than 50 league games.

At least you can justify the crouch one even if you dont agree with the signing (like I didnt).

Yes both were strikers and both scored loads of goals
But it was the hight Dyche was hoping would unlock something yes drastic but so was having no shots on goal
If Long would have been the one to head a last minute equaliser
Then Dyche and Long would have been the
The messiah
But that didn't happen so we get this $hit
3 points against United we'll be talking of European football again small margins in it

Longside4evr wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:30 pm

Yes both were strikers and both scored loads of goals
But it was the hight Dyche was hoping would unlock something yes drastic but so was having no shots on goal
If Long would have been the one to head a last minute equaliser
Then Dyche and Long would have been the
The messiah
But that didn't happen so we get this $hit
3 points against United we'll be talking of European football again small margins in it

In that case he should have thrown on 6 foot 6 Joe hart

Hoofing it for the first 85 minutes didn't work because our strikers weren't big enough. We were missing a centre half up there.

In that case he should have thrown on 6 foot 6 Joe hart

Thats what i mean thank god your not the manager

Sticking the centre half 'up front' is nothing new, but bringing one on was, to me, a bit strange. We then had 3 centre halves on the pitch,chasing the game, with 80mins gone. This was like bringing on Vydra when defending a 1-0 and playing him at the back. Sean, I think you are supposed to 'throw caution to the wind' when the centre half goes into an advanced position.
Saw Waldron cause havoc at Forest when we were 2-0 down to give us a 2-2 but yesterday!!!

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:00 pm

Not as much as going down would

I've read some utter w@nk on here over the years but this for me just about caps it. 4 more wins sees us safe, we've just come off 2 wins and a draw from our last 3 games, but I'd imagine this poster would think 3 draws would have been preferable.

Compare our points tally now to what we had this time last season! They must have been at the point of ending it all back then

I long for a player of Defour’s quality although a young Jack Cork might win me over