Did he? If so why no red? If not what was free kick given for?

It wasn't a red because it wasn't deliberate. I also think he just kept it in the box.

Not sure if he did but linesman thought so and therefore yes the foul was given for Pickford handball . As for red card what law of the game are you thinking it comes under?

The referee was an Everton fan. Not sure how we can make it so obvs.

Carport wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:47 pm

Did he? If so why no red? If not what was free kick given for?

I thought that it might be 'a red'. Heaton did a similar thing against Fulham last January and he also stayed on the pitch, but I thought that he received a yellow.

Didn’t heat on once get sent off for doing it at Brighton?

I don’t think Pickford handled outside the box. It should have gone to VAR really. Not even sure the liner could have seen it accurately from his angle.

Ref left cards on kitchen table

I thought his momentum carried the ball just past the line. However, his quick reaction in turning his shoulders back moved the ball back into the area meant it would have been a very dubious decision to card him for it let alone think about a red. VAR would have been called on of the ref had even the slightest thought of sending Pickford off and would certainly have led to the exact situation we ended up with - no card and a direct free-kick.

Wasn't outside the box... no need for a discussion

One tv angle made it look miles in and one made it look just out/just on edge of line.

I thought ( wrongly it seems) that a keeper handling the ball outside the box attracted an automatic red. Seems it’s more nuanced than that!

Helmshore Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:54 pm

I thought that it might be 'a red'. Heaton did a similar thing against Fulham last January and he also stayed on the pitch, but I thought that he received a yellow.

Heston got sent off at Brighton for 2 yellows, the second of which was when he was thought to have picked the ball up after “bouncing” the ball for a kick

The Clarets keeper saw red for a second bookable offence after an incident in the 56th minute of a controversial Amex Stadium clash.

Heaton went to roll the ball out before changing his mind and scooping the ball into the air, where Albion striker Will Buckley challenged the keeper and got a touch.

Heaton, who had already been booked in the first half for fouling Leo Ulloa outside his penalty area, then collected the ball again on the edge of his penalty area following a bounce, but was dismissed for “unsporting behaviour”.

Good old Brian Jensen against Luton, what he was thinking I have no idea.

I was amazed it was given to be honest. Not sure how the assistant could have possibly seen he'd carried it out of the box. Once given, I was amazed there was no yellow card but there is no way that was a red card offence.

I wouldn’t have wanted a red for it but he was outside. His foot is by the line, the ball is in front of him and his right hand is on the outside of the ball. If only by a mm. that had to be outside.

ClaretEngineer wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:55 pm

Didn’t heat on once get sent off for doing it at Brighton?

No, Heaton was sent off for two yellows but the second yellow was absolutely ridiculous. He got it for apparently releasing the ball from his hands to kick it and then catching it again but the only reason he caught it again was because the Brighton player fouled him. One of the most ludicrous red cards I've ever seen.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:23 pm

I wouldn’t have wanted a red for it but he was outside. His foot is by the line, the ball is in front of him and his right hand is on the outside of the ball. If only by a mm. that had to be outside.

So how on earth, if it is that close, has the assistant been able to see it from his vantage point?

I don’t know the exact rule which constitutes whether it would be a red - the logical rule would be if it prevented a goal...should not matter whether it was deliberate or not as that wouldn’t matter if it was any other type of foul which stopped a goal.
Ours today was not preventing a clear goal scoring chance - but it was hand ball outside the area and we ended up in a much worse position with a free kick than if we would have been able to get the ball with the keeper so far from his line and not all of their defence back etc. From that point of view I don’t see how it cannot be at least a yellow card.

We must have been bad today if that useless prick Pickford kept a clean sheet,the ginger tosser.

It looked from the camera behind the opposite goal that Pickford turned 180 degrees to the left, from facing the near touchline to facing the opposite touchline, while both hands were on the ball. Which means that even if the ball was over the line of the penalty area, and not fully outsie the penalty area, his right hand would have been touching the part of the ball that was outside the area - hence handball. I'm surprised the linesman was confident enough to give it, though.

As for a red card, no chance. If Pickford had dropped the ball at the instant he crossed the line, with Rodriguez having already run past him, would that have been a clear goalscoring chance? No. So no red card.

As for a yellow card, that's for stuff like deliberate shirtpulling or deliberate handball, as opposed to accidental handball where you aren't trying to handle it but accidentally you do. (Or for dangerous fouls that don't merit red, of course.) Pickford wasn't trying to handle, he just slightly misjudged things. And if he had dropped it at the crucial moment, he would have been nearest the ball so could have kicked it. No reason for a yellow card IMO.

Jay was on his arse so not impeding or Pickford preventing anything so no need for a card just a mistake from Pickford
Before the ref blow i turned and said he handled it outside just a gut feeling as it was close either way and thats probably what the lino went with
Even freezing the camera shots it's neither here nor there.

Think it was outside but not deliberate and a red would have been very harsh
I'm more disappointed that we didn't take the chance to capitalise on a free kick in a dangerous area tbh

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:27 pm

So how on earth, if it is that close, has the assistant been able to see it from his vantage point?

Fair point.

Vintage Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:58 pm

I'm more disappointed that we didn't take the chance to capitalise on a free kick in a dangerous area tbh

Bardsley was screaming for the ball totally unmarked on the edge of the area.

J Rod definitely chickened out of that challenge with Pickford.
Lucky to be given a free kick.
Totally wasted a chance for a shot on goal.

All we can do is put it the air for a free for all.

Why anybody would think that Pickford should have been given a red card for that is beyond me.. The mind boggles.

This could be why the lino gave it? Both feet outside the box, both hands on the ball. From behind him. He has already started moving the ball to his left. Still nothing conclusive but it looks out to me.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:25 pm

This could be why the lino gave it? Both feet outside the box, both hands on the ball.
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From behind him. He has already started moving the ball to his left.
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Still nothing conclusive but it looks out to me.

On that second picture his foot is on the line, his body is leaning left and his arms are to the left. Certainly, at that stage, it is inconceivable the ball is out of the area.