• Solution to low cup attendances

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:05 am**

Talking to a lad at work yesterday who is a United season ticket holder and he told me is banned for this weekend's game. He didn't have any funds in his account when United twice tried to take money from his account for the replay with Wolves the other week so his season ticket has been cancelled for the game.

You read some scaremongering on here about fans voting with their feet, perhaps the club should adopt this policy although I doubt the club would be able to sell the banned season ticket holders tickets on to Claus from Denmark who is flying in on Ryanair.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:07 am**

Solution is simple.

Either

A - Intend to compete in it
B - Be honest. Say we don’t want to risk it. But will play all of our promising young kids to give them experience and a chance. And charge accordingly.

I’d much rather option B than what we currently get.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:15 am**

History would say that wouldn't work. Traditionally home FA cup games in January have always been low, even when "we intended to compete in it". The exception would be the Liverpool game but we were underdogs back in those days.

The kids would will fill the place eh?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:16 am**

Yeah great solution that. At Utd they take money from your credit card for every non league game, wether you want to go or not. Then you have to request a refund if you don’t want to go. But if you request a refund that goes against you, and to many marks against you, then the following season when you have to apply for a season ticket, not just renew. You can be refused because of your perceived lack of support. This from a club who also charged Wolves fans for that replay £55. And we have fans complaining about £15 being to much.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:19 am**

A real solution to low attendances for cup games would be for all clubs to include home cup games (or perhaps 3 or 4) in the price of the season ticket.

But that would entail a cost to it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:21 am**

Don't the visiting team in the FA Cup have a say on the ticket prices if the home club want to reduce the prices?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:21 am**

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:16 am
Yeah great solution that. At Utd they take money from your credit card for every non league game, wether you want to go or not. Then you have to request a refund if you don’t want to go. But if you request a refund that goes against you, and to many marks against you, then the following season when you have to apply for a season ticket, not just renew. You can be refused because of your perceived lack of support. This from a club who also charged Wolves fans for that replay £55. And we have fans complaining about £15 being to much.

Sorry Barney (it's Phil the Pill from Rammy U), it was tongue in cheek to see who would nibble just like CFC predicability did.

I think it's disgusting what United do, they know there's always someone else to take the seat on. They need to be careful as it is getting toxic down there nowadays. Another st holder down there got an email the other season telling him he was getting into the ground too late and was a safety hazard, the email informed him about been able to use the refreshment kiosks in the ground. Like you say, some clowns on here don't realise how good they have got it.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:54 am**

mdd2 wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:21 am
Don't the visiting team in the FA Cup have a say on the ticket prices if the home club want to reduce the prices?

They used to but not now. Now it's only up to the qualifying rounds that the away team have a say, after that it's at the discretion of the home team.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 am**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:07 am
Solution is simple.

Either

A - Intend to compete in it
B - Be honest. Say we don’t want to risk it. But will play all of our promising young kids to give them experience and a chance. And charge accordingly.

I’d much rather option B than what we currently get.

Or...
Option C - rotate a few players like every other team in the cup and drop prices by between 50% and 66%.

Would you rather of us have done what Norwich did ? Rest arguably their 4 or their 5 best players this season (when the other best player is already out injured).

In seriousness I don’t think the club should have increased the prices for last week from the previous round and I also think both the cup games are the perfect opportunity to give away tickets to all the schools, community associations, kids football clubs etc (or charge £1 if there is some kind of tax or FA rule which does not allow us to do this)
I’d also prefer to have seen 2 or 3 of our best young players mixed in with the first team players we picked as I think they would have the hunger and enthusiasm that some of the other established players like Brady, Lennon, Long, Vydra etc who know they are going to be dropped in the next league game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:56 am**

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:19 am
A real solution to low attendances for cup games would be for all clubs to include home cup games (or perhaps 3 or 4) in the price of the season ticket.

But that would entail a cost to it.

But then if we're only drawn away we're paying for nothing.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:07 am**

£10 tickets. £5 for season tickets holders. Kids for a quid.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:10 am**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:07 am
Solution is simple.

Either

A - Intend to compete in it
B - Be honest. Say we don’t want to risk it. But will play all of our promising young kids to give them experience and a chance. And charge accordingly.

I’d much rather option B than what we currently get.

Spot on.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:43 pm**

I think building the first rounds of the League Cup and FA Cup into the season ticket package is the best way forward. How you can do this, I'm not sure - given your not guaranteed a home tie. But I think supporters wait for the draw, decide if it whets the appetite before buying tickets.

Would you spend an extra tenner a year on your season ticket - knowing that first home game of the cup competitions are already sorted?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:45 pm**

Could have a "cup team" where you are allowed a whole new starting lineup with new head coach/manager!

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:52 pm**

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:45 pm
Could have a "cup team" where you are allowed a whole new starting lineup with new head coach/manager!

I playfully remarked on this on a previous thread after we were dumped out the cup this time around.

I propose, in the week before the cup tie - give Sean Dyche some time off (because he clearly doesn't give a toss) and bring in an out-of-work manager as a 'Special Guest Cup Coach' to work with the squad, someone like Arsene Wenger for example - its great experience for the players, something different for the fans, Sean can concentrate on the League and it gives fringe players to opportunity to work with the squad with a clean slate

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:54 pm**

the single biggest problem with cup games for Premier League and a lot of Championship clubs is that is often costs the clubs money to take part - the prize money for each round and the distribution of ticket money (often at significantly reduced prices) means that they are paying more in appearance bonuses and staging costs than they are getting in - it kind of explains the fact that Man United have (by law it seems) every FA cup match on live TV (missed 1 in the last 80 or so) - this breakdown on the Carabao cup shows what I mean

https://sillyseason.com/football/efl-cu ... ney-91908/

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:01 pm**

NL Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:15 am
History would say that wouldn't work. Traditionally home FA cup games in January have always been low, even when "we intended to compete in it". The exception would be the Liverpool game but we were underdogs back in those days.

The kids would will fill the place eh?

No they wouldn’t fill the place. But many would prefer to see that. I know I would

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:03 pm**

I think when you're in the higher divisions, The Cups lose that 'special' occasion

Watching Burnley in the 1990's, it was exciting getting into the third round, hoping to get one of the 'big boys', remembering the Derby County games, Liverpool, Spurs in League Cup, drawing at Sheff Utd. We no longer have that "Giant Killing' mentality - now it's just about 'progressing' with the hope that it'll be an easy path to the next round.

The magic is still there, but for us, it'll only come if we get beyond the 5th round of either of the cups... but that'll never happen with Sean Dyche as manager.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:12 pm**

I'd actually and genuinely attend if I knew it was half a dozen of the current better development squad mixed with half a dozen of the fringe players.

The result wouldn't matter, but it'd be great to see how the youngsters are doing and regularly seeing progress as I cant see them during the week due to work.

I felt at HT in the Peterborough game if Koiki wasn't going to get a some minutes then, then he never will.
3-1 up, crusing at HT, at home and against league 1 opposition with a strong team out was IMO perfect time to say go out, enjoy yourself and show the management and fans what you can do.

Instead we played 2 left backs made it 4-1, and then to add later on we swapped Westwood for Cork for literally 5 minutes...

If these players cant get minutes in games/situations like that, then when will they?

If we are going to write off the cups or dont care, let's see the kids have a go, you never know, we might stumble upon a McNeil again.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:39 pm**

NL Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:21 am
Sorry Barney (it's Phil the Pill from Rammy U), it was tongue in cheek to see who would nibble just like CFC predicability did.

I’ve seen fishing online for “bites” on banter pages, but this post hasn’t provided either the bait or the bites.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:15 pm**

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:43 pm
I think building the first rounds of the League Cup and FA Cup into the season ticket package is the best way forward. How you can do this, I'm not sure - given your not guaranteed a home tie. But I think supporters wait for the draw, decide if it whets the appetite before buying tickets.

Would you spend an extra tenner a year on your season ticket - knowing that first home game of the cup competitions are already sorted?

Think Italian clubs, Inter I know in particular, include Copa Italia games in their season ticket package. (Home ties only).

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:20 pm**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:12 pm
I'd actually and genuinely attend if I knew it was half a dozen of the current better development squad mixed with half a dozen of the fringe players.

The result wouldn't matter, but it'd be great to see how the youngsters are doing and regularly seeing progress as I cant see them during the week due to work.

I felt at HT in the Peterborough game if Koiki wasn't going to get a some minutes then, then he never will.
3-1 up, crusing at HT, at home and against league 1 opposition with a strong team out was IMO perfect time to say go out, enjoy yourself and show the management and fans what you can do.

Instead we played 2 left backs made it 4-1, and then to add later on we swapped Westwood for Cork for literally 5 minutes...

If these players cant get minutes in games/situations like that, then when will they?

If we are going to write off the cups or dont care, let's see the kids have a go, you never know, we might stumble upon a McNeil again.

Couldn’t agree more.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:44 pm**

Why don’t we be the 1st club to do all cup games at the turf included in your season ticket just a thought utc

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

£10 and £5 for Rounds 3 and 4.
Clubs can play 11 reserves or kids if they want.
No draws, no replays. Penalties after 90 mins.
For the following rounds, clubs to play their first team players and fined for not doing. Ticket prices a maximum of £30 and £15. No extra time or replays. Penalties after 90 minutes.
No semi finals at Wembley. Back to regionally hosted semis. Old Trafford, Villa Park, Tottenham.

Final at Wembley. Tickets allocated first to those who have attended all previous four rounds. Then three rounds, two etc.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:29 pm**

Easy one for me however it could cause uproar. Increase the loyalty points for buying tickets to a cup game. Could do it for particular away games too.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:35 pm**

littleboroughclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:29 pm
Easy one for me however it could cause uproar. Increase the loyalty points for buying tickets to a cup game. Could do it for particular away games too.

That’s a good suggestion.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:42 pm**

Make it 100 points a game.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:23 pm**

I know plenty that don't go to any away games, they don't attend cup,games either so 100 loyalty points is no incentive. Also most away games go on general sale nowadays.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:35 pm**

The simple answer is for the staff to prepare for the game properly & whoever is picked to play give 100 percent effort.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:42 pm**

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:35 pm
The simple answer is for the staff to prepare for the game properly & whoever is picked to play give 100 percent effort.

How much preparation would you expect our staff to have made between 10pm on Wednesday and 3pm on Saturday?

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:45 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:42 pm
How much preparation would you expect our staff to have made between 10pm on Wednesday and 3pm on Saturday?

The same as any midweek league games

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:51 pm**

Nonayforever wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:45 pm
The same as any midweek league games

Of which there are very few. The players had one training session, which wouldn’t have been intensive, between beating Manchester United and playing Norwich. It’s understandable that they were less prepared and also understandable that the players who completed 90 minutes at Old Trafford were not at the same level of intensity.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:52 pm**

solution is simple, just advertise the game as being V Man United - the plastics won't know any different

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:30 pm**

littleboroughclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:29 pm
Easy one for me however it could cause uproar. Increase the loyalty points for buying tickets to a cup game. Could do it for particular away games too.

Quite a number of clubs give increased points for less attractive games, long distance games and Cup games.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:43 pm**

I went to the Newcastle - Rochdale FA Cup replay, ticket prices £10 adult, £5 for concessions.
Attendance 31,000 - prices matter as Newcastle widened its fan base.
A pity the Dale didn't turn up on the pitch though 2,500 travelled to SJP

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:48 pm**

mikeS wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:54 pm
£10 and £5 for Rounds 3 and 4.
Clubs can play 11 reserves or kids if they want.
No draws, no replays. Penalties after 90 mins.
For the following rounds, clubs to play their first team players and fined for not doing. Ticket prices a maximum of £30 and £15. No extra time or replays. Penalties after 90 minutes.
No semi finals at Wembley. Back to regionally hosted semis. Old Trafford, Villa Park, Tottenham.

Final at Wembley. Tickets allocated first to those who have attended all previous four rounds. Then three rounds, two etc.

Can't disagree with much of that,i'd definitely bin replays and ET,after all they go straight to pens after 90 minutes in the LC,ticket prices could be reduced for the PL/Championship teams without impacting their finances,however for the lower league teams the gate receipts are an important part of their budgets,also i'm not sure how you could enforce fines if clubs choose to play guys that they wouldn't normally pick for a standard league match.completely agree about Wembley being reserved for finals only,and priority given to fans who attend the earlier rounds.

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:05 pm**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:48 pm
Can't disagree with much of that,i'd definitely bin replays

Should Shrewsbury be denied an evening game at Anfield?

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:55 am**

NL Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:05 pm
Should Shrewsbury be denied an evening game at Anfield?

No but let's be honest they'll be facing Liverpool's youth team won't they,and Klopp won't even be in town,i guess the money will be useful for the Shrews though.

Interestingly this argument isn't new the early years of the League Cup were treated lukewarmingly by many clubs,who concentrated on European competitions,and in some cases opted not to compete in the competition at all,entry was only made compulsory for all Football League teams in the 71-72 season,and UEFA Cup qualification was a carrot dangled to the top-flight sides to encourage them to take the competition more seriously.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:04 pm**

NL Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:23 pm
I know plenty that don't go to any away games, they don't attend cup,games either so 100 loyalty points is no incentive. Also most away games go on general sale nowadays.

Not for them. But a good incentive for plenty of others.

Posted: **Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:08 pm**

Another good solution would be to give two free tickets to every school kid in Burnley. One of them and one for a parent.

Loss leader. But gets new fans interested. Particularly some who may not have been able to afford or justify it before. While filling the stands and getting fans of the future in. And who knows. They might even buy a shirt and a twix.

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