After all the rhetoric from Prince William and Joaquin Phoenix about diversity at awards ceremonies does anyone think that the MOBO awards are still PC.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50376724

karatekid wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:10 pm

After all the rhetoric from Prince William and Joaquin Phoenix about diversity at awards ceremonies does anyone think that the MOBO awards are still PC.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50376724

Listened to a podcast with Daryl Davis a black musician from America who converted over 200 kkk members from the Klan.

He says in his recent interview that he respects everything the likes of the incredible martin luther king and rosa parks etc did. And black history month etc had its place. But now believes that these things should be replaced. As history is history. Be it black. White. Native American etc. And having such things actually continues to highlight segregation etc.

I am inclined to agree.

History is history. Music is music. People is people imo.

My nephew used to have s Mobo Scooter in the late 60's early 70's when he was a kid bit like this one

I had one in 1964.

rufus lumley wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:56 pm

I had one in 1964.

I remember. It was for your work with The Shirelles, wasn't it?

Yes but I thought Sugar pie DeSanto should have won that year but that’s show business.

Most modern music is music of black origin so yes it still has a place. Most of the music celebrated by the MOBO awards is shite, mind.

Do you think there would be uproar if a MOWO was held?

I do, and I think White musicians being excluded from a music awards event, due to the colour of their skin is racist and fuels division.

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:25 pm

Most modern music is music of black origin so yes it still has a place. Most of the music celebrated by the MOBO awards is shite, mind.

Clearly black music - specifically blues - is a very strong contributor to the music that then forms the basis of new western popular music in the second half of last century. But so is country and western and folk music and 'classical' music (either directly or as an influence on composition). Not to mention the new sounds other people of all races introduced post-1957. So, in fact, it's a rather lovely melting pot and can't be assigned one way or the other.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zAWn4FO1MOw

karatekid wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:10 pm

After all the rhetoric from Prince William and Joaquin Phoenix about diversity at awards ceremonies does anyone think that the MOBO awards are still PC.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-50376724

Positively not.

But we (white people) have been very naughty and bad and intolerant and racist in the past so this is ok now.

God imagine celebrating a white music awards in the bizarre current diversity push.

Diversity is great unless you are white then it stinks as you feel like you owe something and must tread incredibly carefully not to offend.

I'm black and proud ! Sounds a lot less dangerous than I am white and proud which sounds racist.

Is it ok to be white proud and celebrate your heritage without being KKK ?

Just a question as I don't really understand the world at the moment.

Innit

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:30 pm

God imagine celebrating a white music awards in the bizarre current diversity push.

Diversity is great unless you are white then it stinks as you feel like you owe something and must tread incredibly carefully not to offend.

I'm black and proud ! Sounds a lot less dangerous than I am white and proud which sounds racist.

Is it ok to be white proud and celebrate your heritage without being KKK ?

Just a question as I don't really understand the world at the moment.

I'm English White and proud. That's ok.

While it still winds up people on messageboards, im all for it

Barry_Chuckle wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:54 pm

Do you think there would be uproar if a MOWO was held?

I do, and I think White musicians being excluded from a music awards event, due to the colour of their skin is racist and fuels division.

You do know that white musicians aren’t excluded from the MOBO awards don’t you?

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:50 pm

I'm English White and proud. That's ok.

Are you sure sure?

Feels like it may upset the woked.

There's good intentions with things like this but I can't help thinking it reinforces a "them and us mentality" amongst people.
Personally can't help thinking if there was white only events people would go ape ****

padihamclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:24 pm

There's good intentions with things like this but I can't help thinking it reinforces a "them and us mentality" amongst people.
Personally can't help thinking if there was white only events people would go ape ****

Just pointing out again that the MOBO awards is not a white only event.

Sam Smith won one, I think. Sam Smith. Was Ed Sheeran not also nominated once?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/2 ... by-viewers

Course not

God forbid a white person win all at one , it wouldn't offend people would it?

Spiral wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:28 pm

Sam Smith won one, I think. Sam Smith. Was Ed Sheeran not also nominated once?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/2 ... by-viewers

With criticism!

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:50 pm

I'm English White and proud. That's ok.

You can get thrown in prison for saying that you know

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:30 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/2 ... by-viewers

With criticism!

Yes, because people don't understand what origin means, it appears.

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:30 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/2 ... by-viewers

With criticism!

Did you read the link? The only criticism that a white person won in that link was by Rufus Hound.

ClaretEngineer wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:32 pm

You can get thrown in prison for saying that you know

No need to throw me... I'll go quietly

I didn't offer numbers only an angle to incite woked annoyance.

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:37 pm

I didn't offer numbers only an angle to incite woked annoyance.

Don’t know what you’re on about mate, repeated use of buzz words like ‘woke’ and ‘gammon’ signify a lack of independent thought.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:43 pm

Don’t know what you’re on about mate, repeated use of buzz words like ‘woke’ and ‘gammon’ signify a lack of independent thought.

I don't know what your on about mate doesn't do much neither.

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:44 pm

I don't know what your on about mate doesn't do much neither.

Amusing that you’re trying to incite ‘woke annoyance’ yet you seem to be the one getting worked up about a music awards.

I couldn't give a toss. Just wondered if any carp were nibbling tonight . I caught one but let him go as I am too tired to reel in.

It is funny seeing the woked nibble at anything .

The banter baron woked.

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:50 pm

I couldn't give a toss. Just wondered if any carp were nibbling tonight . I caught one but let him go as I am too tired to reel in.

It is funny seeing the woked nibble at anything .

You tell yourself that. Sweet dreams, don’t have nightmares about the MOBO’s.

Hahaha. He is on the bank without a reel in. Dived out of the water.

Brilliant.

I must admit that I have long wondered how, in this day and age of political correctness, that this slightly racist ceremony can still go ahead. I have said this for years. If it is allowed, which in itself is not a problem, then surely a white music ceremony should also be allowed? If not why not?

I suspect that any organiser of a specifically white music awards would be hung out to dry by our PC friends.

Sauce for the goose?

File people who ask this with the "when's international men's day eh?" morons

houseboy wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:55 am

I must admit that I have long wondered how, in this day and age of political correctness, that this slightly racist ceremony can still go ahead. I have said this for years. If it is allowed, which in itself is not a problem, then surely a white music ceremony should also be allowed? If not why not?

I suspect that any organiser of a specifically white music awards would be hung out to dry by our PC friends.

Sauce for the goose?

How many times, it's not a specifically black music awards.

Anyone would think that white people couldn't make music of black origin the way posters on here are bashing the MOBOs.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:55 pm

Anyone would think that white people couldn't make music of black origin the way posters on here are bashing the MOBOs.

What did you expect on this site.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:16 pm

How many times, it's not a specifically black music awards.

It is the title not the event. I fully understand what it IS and what it DOES. The point I think you are missing that many are making is that if an event specifically had the word WHITE in its title, whatever it did, it would be smacked down by the PC establishment. It is not disimilar to say Gay Pride, not in any way a bad thing in itself but what would be said if someone organised a Straight Pride day?

If I seem to be splitting hairs here it's because that is exactly what PC does a great deal of the time.

I personally don't have any problems with groups doing things their own way, it's all part of personal choice and freedom, but unfortunately others do not see it that way and only protect the rights of 'some'. I'm more interested in the rights of 'all'.

There is no music of white origin anyway.

Madrigals, folk ??

Classical, Rock. ?

It lots its credibility for me when the black and white minstrels consistently and unbelievably failed to win anything. I'm not surprised they threw away the banjos and put white make up on to feel wanted.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:10 pm

There is no music of white origin anyway.

Really? I think Mozart might have an argument. English folk? ANY folk? Music has developed a long way from tribal drums, which is generally considered the first form of music.

Mongolian throat singing, yodeling, Gregorian chanting, Greensleeves. All Indian I tell you, all Indian.