• Jay Rod Key misses in games this year

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:15 pm**

Hi performances have been good recently but it becoming a worry how many guilt edge chances he is missing.

Aston Villa at Home
FA Cup Norwich
Arsenal at Home
Bournemouth at Home
Newcastle Away

You would expect a goal return from 3 out of 5 of the chances or maybe at least 2 from the 5. 4 out of the 5 have been at important times in the game which is even more frustrating

His finishing use to be one of his biggest strengths

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 pm**

I was certainly puzzled by yesterday's opportunity in that he didn't take the ball closer to the goal. He had the look of a player who thought he was offside.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 pm**

Agreed so hopefully he starts putting these kinda chances away soon

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:32 pm**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 pm
I was certainly puzzled by yesterday's opportunity in that he didn't take the ball closer to the goal. He had the look of a player who thought he was offside.

He looked like he stopped for a moment when he saw the flag go up which seemed to make him lose his composure. Always play to the whistle!

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:38 pm**

He only misses a chance if he is in a position to score. Strikers all go through patches where the ball doesn't go in for whatever reason, they just have to play through that period and keep getting in positions to score, that is what is important.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:41 pm**

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:32 pm
He looked like he stopped for a moment when he saw the flag go up which seemed to make him lose his composure. Always play to the whistle!

If you look again, I don't think it's possible for him to have seen the flag go up.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:42 pm**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:17 pm
I was certainly puzzled by yesterday's opportunity in that he didn't take the ball closer to the goal. He had the look of a player who thought he was offside.

The linesman can take credit for that for unfairly flagging when he clearly weren't off

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:54 pm**

All strikers have periods where the ball won't go in.
He's constantly getting into good goal-scoring positions.
They'll start going in soon enough.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:55 pm**

fanzone wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:42 pm
The linesman can take credit for that for unfairly flagging when he clearly weren't off

My view is that he's too far forward and facing the wrong way to have had any chance of seeing the flag

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:56 pm**

Burnley87 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:15 pm
Hi performances have been good recently but it becoming a worry how many guilt edge chances he is missing.

Aston Villa at Home
FA Cup Norwich
Arsenal at Home
Bournemouth at Home
Newcastle Away

You would expect a goal return from 3 out of 5 of the chances or maybe at least 2 from the 5. 4 out of the 5 have been at important times in the game which is even more frustrating

His finishing use to be one of his biggest strengths

"Guilt edge" ???? What's that ?

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:01 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:55 pm
My view is that he's too far forward and facing the wrong way to have had any chance of seeing the flag

Or had he heard a whistle? It did seem a lash more than a shot and he didn’t look concerned. If it was a shot he should have been.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:06 pm**

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:01 pm
Or had he heard a whistle? It did seem a lash more than a shot and he didn’t look concerned. If it was a shot he should have been.

There was no whistle and he looked more than concerned to me.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:12 pm**

Had Jay taken those chances we would possibly have 5 extra points and would be in 5th. position ! Wishful thinking....

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:16 pm**

If he put all of those types of chances away, he wouldn’t be playing for Burnley.

Full House

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:17 pm**

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:12 pm
Had Jay taken those chances we would possibly have 5 extra points and would be in 5th. position ! Wishful thinking....

But you could also look at the defensive/midfield failings we've committed (ie Villa at the Turf) and say the same thing. Its not just a particular striker's fault.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:18 pm**

I suspect Jay is the most critical of himself, don't think we need to knock him. We've been a much better side since he came in to it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:26 pm**

Bullabill wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:56 pm
"Guilt edge" ???? What's that ?

You did it!

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:28 pm**

The thing to do is look at other multi million pound players and see how many they get out of the chances they have.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:05 pm**

I forgive him after utd .

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:25 pm**

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:28 pm
The thing to do is look at other multi million pound players and see how many they get out of the chances they have.

Just looked on Premierleague.com

Aguero is 41% accuracy - 125 chances missed

Jay Rod is 36% accuracy - 33 chances missed
Woody is 47% accuracy - 30 chances missed
Salah 45% - 51 chances missed

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:31 pm**

Burnley87 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:15 pm
Hi performances have been good recently but it becoming a worry how many guilt edge chances he is missing.

Aston Villa at Home
FA Cup Norwich
Arsenal at Home
Bournemouth at Home
Newcastle Away

You would expect a goal return from 3 out of 5 of the chances or maybe at least 2 from the 5. 4 out of the 5 have been at important times in the game which is even more frustrating

His finishing use to be one of his biggest strengths

At last.......a scapegoat!

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:35 pm**

If he had scored after the flag went up would it have stood.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:53 pm**

Am I missing something here? I know he blazed over, but I THOUGHT it was all actually irrelevant because he was clearly flagged offside, so ultimately nothing to see and move on. Was I mistaken?

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:08 pm**

Whether or not he saw the flag (which only Jay himself will know for sure) it’s getting a bit tiresome having trigger happy linesman when we have VAR. It can affect players when they see a flag so the Lino should be absolutely certain when they flag and err on the side of not flagging to ensure everything afterwards develops naturally.....I suspect, however, it would be a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas because they will be ending up adding even less value than they add now

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:27 pm**

paulatky wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:35 pm
If he had scored after the flag went up would it have stood.

It would have been reviewed. Haven’t actually seen the incident back so don’t know whether it was offside or not.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:29 pm**

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:08 pm
Whether or not he saw the flag (which only Jay himself will know for sure) it’s getting a bit tiresome having trigger happy linesman when we have VAR. It can affect players when they see a flag so the Lino should be absolutely certain when they flag and err on the side of not flagging to ensure everything afterwards develops naturally.....I suspect, however, it would be a bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas because they will be ending up adding even less value than they add now

I believe assistant refs are instructed to flag in the same way as they did before VAR. The only difference is that the ref is supposed to allow play to continue if it’s a close call.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:30 pm**

Bullabill wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:56 pm
"Guilt edge" ???? What's that ?

It's when we'd have edged up the table if he hadn't been guilty of missing them.

Keep up.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:33 pm**

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:25 pm
Just looked on Premierleague.com

Aguero is 41% accuracy - 125 chances missed

Jay Rod is 36% accuracy - 33 chances missed
Woody is 47% accuracy - 30 chances missed
Salah 45% - 51 chances missed

Impressive from woody that. He always has been someone who needs service. What jay offers is more of a footballer but less clinical obviously.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:33 pm**

Missed a few good chances, more importantly his introduction has vastly improved our football and he has been a standout performer since Barnes injury, in my opinion.

A great signing for us.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 pm**

Can you really blame him for checking his stride when an offside flag goes up ? Couple of other rather harsh ones too. He adds dimension and variety and I believe him starting and getting his confidence has been a reason for our resurgence .

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:30 pm**

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:25 pm
Just looked on Premierleague.com

Aguero is 41% accuracy - 125 chances missed

Jay Rod is 36% accuracy - 33 chances missed
Woody is 47% accuracy - 30 chances missed
Salah 45% - 51 chances missed

Good spot. All pretty good.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:38 pm**

In the past players have been booked for time wasting for shooting after the whistle has gone. So how does it work now with VAR?

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:45 pm**

He's lost the weight, he'll be back to old times next season.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:04 pm**

Burnley87 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:15 pm
Hi performances have been good recently but it becoming a worry how many guilt edge chances he is missing.

Aston Villa at Home
FA Cup Norwich
Arsenal at Home
Bournemouth at Home
Newcastle Away

You would expect a goal return from 3 out of 5 of the chances or maybe at least 2 from the 5. 4 out of the 5 have been at important times in the game which is even more frustrating

His finishing use to be one of his biggest strengths

I am more concerned that someone can find time to moan amongst our 6 game unbeaten run

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:18 pm**

Spike wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:04 pm
I am more concerned that someone can find time to moan amongst our 6 game unbeaten run

Totally agree Spike

And that is why I pointed out Aguero & Salah etc have a similar rate of misses to strikes...

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:03 pm**

On second thoughts , ive put "i forgive him after utd " BUT I've just remembered that penalty at forest !! Off day yesterday , but he's getting back to the player we used to have and we'll soon have 4 good players battling for 2 places . Nice position to be in .

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:22 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:29 pm
I believe assistant refs are instructed to flag in the same way as they did before VAR. The only difference is that the ref is supposed to allow play to continue if it’s a close call.

Probably so but if you can’t be certain who it’s come off and you are about 10 yards away you should keep the flag down. He can’t be sure it’s off the attacker when he flags...

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:51 pm**

Not really a moan. Just realistically stating a fact that he has been missing golden chances. If the same happened to Chris Wood people would be slating him. However because the lad is from Burnley he gets more leeway. Jay is a very good footballer but his finishing this season has been extremely poor however I agree his all round play has Been good baring Yesterdays game.

But we rely heavily on our strikers to score goals and he really needs to be scoring a better percentage of the golden chances we have created for him.

Because realistically if you was to grade the level of ease of all them chances out of 10 you would be giving them 8/9 on should be scored

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:11 pm**

I would rather have Jay Rod with his record for us this season than both Almiron and Joelinton who cost a total of £65 million and have amassed the grand total of 3 goals in the PL between them!

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:20 pm**

Burnley87 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:51 pm
Not really a moan. Just realistically stating a fact that he has been missing golden chances. If the same happened to Chris Wood people would be slating him. However because the lad is from Burnley he gets more leeway. Jay is a very good footballer but his finishing this season has been extremely poor however I agree his all round play has Been good baring Yesterdays game.

But we rely heavily on our strikers to score goals and he really needs to be scoring a better percentage of the golden chances we have created for him.

Because realistically if you was to grade the level of ease of all them chances out of 10 you would be giving them 8/9 on should be scored

I think Aguero needs dropping from the City line up, as he has missed 125 chances so obviously he is bloody useless

Aguero has a 41% accuracy - 125 chances missed

Jay Rod has a 36% accuracy - 33 chances missed

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:29 pm**

Personally I thought he was a signing to please the fans. Thought his best years were behind him. And with his injuries he could be an expensive gamble we couldn’t afford.

Said misses aside, I couldn’t be further wrong. He’s been brilliant and a key reason for our recent upturn in results. His link up play, touch, vision and movement are superb. And he scores plenty of good quality goals.

He has missed a few. But he strikes me as the sort who will score goals from nothing but not always the ones he should. We have Wood to do that anyway.

All four strikers look to bring various different skills to the table.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:45 pm**

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:29 pm
He’s been brilliant and a key reason for our recent upturn in results. His link up play, touch, vision and movement are superb. And he scores plenty of good quality goals.

He has missed a few. But he strikes me as the sort who will score goals from nothing but not always the ones he should. We have Wood to do that anyway.

All four strikers look to bring various different skills to the table.

Totally agree. There are great goal scorers and scorers of great goals and ones that can’t hit a barn door with a banjo.

We are lucky to have a version of a great goal scorer (Wood) along with probably 3 very unique types of scorers of great goals....a great mix tbh

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:46 pm**

On top of everything else, he plays with passion and is obviously a real Claret! He wears his heart on his sleeve and for those of us who were a lot nearer the action than those up in the gods you could see and hear what a part he plays in our set up.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:03 am**

Just watched it again on the highlights on YouTube.

Firstly, there’s no way he could see the linesman flag without eyes in the back of his head. And the linesman shouldn’t have flagged in that situation, anyway.

Secondly, it was a half chance in the end. He was through but hit it right on the edge of the box. Keeper was well positioned. Hard to score from there. Think he should’ve tried to curl it low inside the post, or taken another step in the box and committed the keeper. Chip was on but hard to pull off.

Thirdly, he made a block on Ritchie that saved us a goal. More than makes up for it in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:49 am**

First thing he needs to do is remember where he is from and get his ******* hair cut

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:14 am**

He’s missed some real sitters over the last few games. The one against Arsenal was hard to believe. Agree also that he needs an haircut. Perhaps that’s the problem.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:26 am**

Strikers miss chances. It happens all the time and to the best of them. Just like wingers don't take on a man every couple of minutes. I suspect in recent games Jay has missed more than his fair share, but they are the kinds of chances all strikers will miss. It goes in circles though and goals for strikers at our level can come along like busses.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... nce_missed

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:37 pm**

He's missed no more key chances than wood or Barnes this season.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:50 pm**

Scored a few he had no right to, as well

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:12 am**

The reason we are playing so well is largely down to his return.

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