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A period of reflection???dermotdermot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:29 pmI was just wondering if there was a credible opposition party and shadow cabinet to assist in any way with the tumultuous decisions that are having to be made at this time and then I remembered that they are, of course, still in a period of ‘reflection’. Oh well, at least that makes me feel just so much better.
and even less than that voted labour so what is your point?Corky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:14 amGiven that around 32% of those that voted did so for Labour and the Tories only increased their vote by little more than 1% it just shows how the FPTP disenfranchises a huge chunk of the population. This also gives the misleading impression to those that choose not to look any further than the end of their nose that huge numbers now want a Tory government. Less than half of voters actually voted Tory.
Erm, how big is your nose?ClaretMoffitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:36 amand even less than that voted labour so what is your point?
with such poor offering from the Tory party the results show beyond a shadow of a doubt how poor the Labour party leadership really were to the voters, maybe you should change your user name to Pinocchio because you obviously can not see past the end of it. I'm sure in selecting the new leadership Labour will have a completely different outlook but how some seem to be fighting this change hard, great mental attitude, if we keep doing the same it will change in our favour, we just need to be better with the news/internet and paper propaganda because that's the only reason we didn't win, read failed miserably.Corky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:14 amGiven that around 32% of those that voted did so for Labour and the Tories only increased their vote by little more than 1% it just shows how the FPTP disenfranchises a huge chunk of the population. This also gives the misleading impression to those that choose not to look any further than the end of their nose that huge numbers now want a Tory government. Less than half of voters actually voted Tory.
I'm by no means convinced that we would have a better chance of successfully steering through this crisis, if we had a hung parliament like we had when May was "in charge". There was no evidence then of all parties willing to pull together - Labour saw its policy as to oppose everything that the government wanted to do. Would they still see it that way? I suspect so.Corky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:14 amGiven that around 32% of those that voted did so for Labour and the Tories only increased their vote by little more than 1% it just shows how the FPTP disenfranchises a huge chunk of the population. This also gives the misleading impression to those that choose not to look any further than the end of their nose that huge numbers now want a Tory government. Less than half of voters actually voted Tory.
As you say - on a thread sniping at the opposition.ClaretMoffitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:10 amwhy have a credible opposition who will assist in times of trouble when you can have an opposition who snipe from the sidelines trying to make political gain out of it whilst having absolutely no responsibility or pressure on themselves?
Boho, may not land on his feet.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:21 amBojo lands on his feet again. When brexit goes tits up it will be Covid-19s fault not his.
After they spent 10 years blaming Gordon Brown for Lehmann brothers screwing the world.
Not that we'll be in a fit state to care.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:05 pmBoho, may not land on his feet.
If his strategy goes horribly wrong, it may bring down his government.
You are probably correct there.
Difficult to bring down a government with their majority. The tories may well get shut of BoJo but that was always a possibility. Despite his big win they all know he’s a complete tool.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:05 pmBoho, may not land on his feet.
If his strategy goes horribly wrong, it may bring down his government.
I think his big move today saved his bacon.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:12 pmDifficult to bring down a government with their majority. The tories may well get shut of BoJo but that was always a possibility. Despite his big win they all know he’s a complete tool.
Classic abused spouse syndrome. “He’s really not that bad! Gives me a couple of slaps every now and again, but I deserve it, and he’s very stressed. Can we please stop talking about the black eye? It’s SO boring now.”KateR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:34 pmI have said for quite a while the trade negotiations will go into 2021 and klong before the virus outbreak.
It seems almost inevitable now that it will happen and when it does and is announced, cue the BJ lied to us again brigade, see you really can't trust him at all with anything, how can you vote for a leader who you know lies.
the idea that you'd want corbyn and his nutters in charge during a time like this is utterly bewildering
lol, I like that you are trying to interject humour into your posts now, such a better way of trying to get your one track thoughts across to the masses who are not listening to you, E for effort if little else
I wouldn't trust Corbyn to switch my kettle on, let alone run the country during this!ClaretMoffitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:41 pmthe idea that you'd want corbyn and his nutters in charge during a time like this is utterly bewildering
Lefties are very temperamental about things Kate. Offer him a cuddle a tissue and a sweetie. They love freebies!KateR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:45 pmlol, I like that you are trying to interject humour into your posts now, such a better way of trying to get your one track thoughts across to the masses who are not listening to you, E for effort if little else
Did I touch a nerve with my last line, did you really think it was meant for you Andrew?
Hullo Sun reader!ClaretMoffitt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:41 pmthe idea that you'd want corbyn and his nutters in charge during a time like this is utterly bewildering
No idea what you mean. I popped around to Jeremy's £2 million house in London and ask him if it's ok to live there and he reckons it's fine while his subjects can't afford food. Let that sink in!KateR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:58 pmnow come on guys, give him some credit, surely he would be all for one and one for all in that everyone should be equal, since it can't be we all don't catch it then we all should mingle well and ensure everyone has a share.
Of course there is the off chance that some might be more equal than others and therefore would shut the whole labour party away from carriers known and unknown who don't have comrade tattooed on there backside. Given that approach, once we reappear from Corvidaggedan the Labour party might have a chance at winning an election, yes, yes I know still doubtful I agree.
Here we go! Labour get slaughtered in General Election, largely due to massive Tory swings from Labour by Labour voters. Unprecedented. Labour voters vote Conservative in Labour areas. Because they HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
There was a study done about a decade ago which looked at people’s news sources and measured their actual knowledge of the world, over a period of time. Those who watched Fox News were found to know less about the world than even those who didn’t have a news source at all. It wouldn’t surprise me to find the same thing here with papers like the Mail or even the Telegraph (which my Tory father in law agrees has gone down the pan since the brothers Barclay bought it), From your cardboard cutout opinions on Corbyn and the left, I reckon you fall into that category.Claret32yrs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:50 pmI wouldn't trust Corbyn to switch my kettle on, let alone run the country during this!
What had they “had enough” of, considering the Tories had been imposing austerity for the last nine years?Claret32yrs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:15 pmHere we go! Labour get slaughtered in General Election, largely due to massive Tory swings from Labour by Labour voters. Unprecedented. Labour voters vote Conservative in Labour areas. Because they HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
Salty Labour voter points feeble finger at the Sun. It must hurt. It must really, REALLY hurt to see your own turn on you so much you got slaughtered. You need a cuddly toy?
Oh! You really don't know me AT ALL! I'll put this in simple terms. You're a Labour voter so I'll make it basic. Are you aware what Labour stands for? Can you understand those seven words. It's the number '7'' to clarify.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:15 pmThere was a study done about a decade ago which looked at people’s news sources and measured their actual knowledge of the world, over a period of time. Those who watched Fox News were found to know less about the world than even those who didn’t have a news source at all. It wouldn’t surprise me to find the same thing here with papers like the Mail or even the Telegraph (which my Tory father in law agrees has gone down the pan since the brothers Barclay bought it), From your cardboard cutout opinions on Corbyn and the left, I reckon you fall into that category.
Austerity because of Labour, which happens EVERY TIME the Tories take over. Labour gets in based on false promises. Overspends, fails, Tories have to fix it. It's a story as old as time.
I call ‘em as I see ‘em, and your braying triumphalism along with the “Corbyn is bad!” groupthink posits you as a Tory donkey. To be fair, you’ve been fed the “Corbyn is bad!” line every day since he became leader, and like any lie endlessly repeated, it’s become the truth for you. But don’t try to claim credit for critical thinking, because you haven’t displayed any.Claret32yrs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:19 pmOh! You really don't know me AT ALL! I'll put this in simple terms. You're a Labour voter so I'll make it basic. Are you aware what Labour stands for? Can you understand those seven words. It's the number '7'' to clarify.
When you've figured that out. You tell me what part of what I said is incorrect? If you don't get it then you really are thick as p*gshit!
Andrew,AndrewJB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:32 pmI call ‘em as I see ‘em, and your braying triumphalism along with the “Corbyn is bad!” groupthink posits you as a Tory donkey. To be fair, you’ve been fed the “Corbyn is bad!” line every day since he became leader, and like any lie endlessly repeated, it’s become the truth for you. But don’t try to claim credit for critical thinking, because you haven’t displayed any.
Oh Wow! You actually are brainwashed! I've thrown facts at you. You're suggesting I am biased. I mean really? I sat down with hundreds of Labour voters, I mean bloodline Labour. You know the type. They just can't think because they'll upset their Mum and Dad. You, basically. EVERY SINGLE ONE, bar none said they couldn't vote Labour. These were working class Labour stronghold **** basically. Hey! I'm middle class and Labour voters are to me. You've proved it btw! Well done!AndrewJB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:32 pmI call ‘em as I see ‘em, and your braying triumphalism along with the “Corbyn is bad!” groupthink posits you as a Tory donkey. To be fair, you’ve been fed the “Corbyn is bad!” line every day since he became leader, and like any lie endlessly repeated, it’s become the truth for you. But don’t try to claim credit for critical thinking, because you haven’t displayed any.
What you’re saying is reality as you know it (as it’s been fed to you by rightwing propagandists), is SO true, that you can’t accept anyone else might have a different take on things.Claret32yrs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:22 pmAusterity because of Labour, which happens EVERY TIME the Tories take over. Labour gets in based on false promises. Overspends, fails, Tories have to fix it. It's a story as old as time.
You really have to be thick to not understand. If the Tories are so bad. How did they manage to take stronghold Labour seats, not changed hands in 100 years? Jesus! You're either f*cking beyond thick of beyond f*cking help!'
I think you’re possibly too rabidly partisan to see how your party has gone from one direction to the opposite - while claiming competence and credibility, and again they’ve had press backing all the way (all those papers that screeched about Labour’s spending plans - and then cooing about Johnson’s bigger borrowing plans). I’m a Green Party member, by the way.AndrewJB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:50 pmWhat you’re saying is reality as you know it (as it’s been fed to you by rightwing propagandists), is SO true, that you can’t accept anyone else might have a different take on things.
Austerity was a choice by the Tory coalition, and one that failed (note Johnson has reversed this policy). The economy had been hit by the financial crisis of 2008, which Labour didn’t cause. Both parties were wedded to financial deregulation, so Britain’s unpreparedness rests on both parties. You must be absolutely appalled by Johnson’s budget - all that money to be borrowed!
Oh Green Party. Nobody takes you seriously at all. You make Labour look sensible.