• Stay Alert

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:33 pm**

Assuming you were alert in the first place?

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:34 pm**

Whilst I agree with the easing of things in a staggered way, I think after watching that, even more people are going to start taking the ****.

And not sure how so many people are going to be ready to go back to work tomorrow morning.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:34 pm**

This just needs merging with the Covid-19 thread. But, yes, a baffling strapline and divergence from Scotland, Wales and NI.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:36 pm**

Fast forward 3 weeks to a massive increase in hospital deaths and admissions...

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:37 pm**

Details in the House tomorrow but a welcome announcement tonight that we are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:39 pm**

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:37 pm
Details in the House tomorrow but a welcome announcement tonight that we are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

If you really want to believe that, then fine. Evidence from other countries suggest otherwise

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:39 pm**

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:37 pm
Details in the House tomorrow but a welcome announcement tonight that we are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

Really..

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:42 pm**

Usual bullshit from Sturgeon. Telling everyone to stay at home whilst at the same time telling them there is no limit on the number of times you can go out taking exercise. She is just spoiling for a fight as usual.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:42 pm**

I’m sure he said you can travel further afield for exercise as well. We’ve set off for Barley already. Save us a space...

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:46 pm**

Marney&Mee wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:42 pm
I’m sure he said you can travel further afield for exercise as well. We’ve set off for Barley already. Save us a space...

Wife said that. I didn’t hear it. Those living near beauty spots will be vocal on the BBC news in coming weeks.

Also looking forward to a walk up Pendle though

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:48 pm**

Should keep sturgeon on BBC Scotland only, so annoying!! And people in manufacturing won't be going to work tomorrow, they have to wait for there company to tell them when. We need to start to do something so I think Boris has done it right so far.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:54 pm**

Agreed, things have got to start moving very slowly and very carefully and as said above, returning to work will involve contact from their employer WHEN they’re safe to do so and measures are in place.

Personally I’m a little confused about fishing from Wednesday so I’m guessing they’ll be a lot more detail as the week progresses.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:54 pm**

He should have applied KISS and he has failed again I'm afraid

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:57 pm**

Damned if they do
Damned if they don't

Boris has been dealt a sh!tty stick in his short tenure as PM ... he has done a lot right ... he has also got a bit wrong ... but I feel he is (at the moment) the right man for the job.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:57 pm**

Barlickclaret wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:48 pm
Should keep sturgeon on BBC Scotland only, so annoying!! And people in manufacturing won't be going to work tomorrow, they have to wait for there company to tell them when. We need to start to do something so I think Boris has done it right so far.

My place has kept on a skeleton staff more or less throughout the lockdown. More of us are going back this week, although not many.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 7:59 pm**

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:37 pm
Details in the House tomorrow but a welcome announcement tonight that we are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

Yeah! until the 2nd spike,if you don't believe me look at Germany for evidence,modest lifting of their lockdown,and in just a few days their R number is above 1 again.

Anyone would think the business moguls have had a word in BoJo's ear.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:02 pm**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Yeah! until the 2nd spike,if you don't believe me look at Germany for evidence,modest lifting of their lockdown,and in just a few days their R number is above 1 again.

Anyone would think the business moguls have had a word in BoJo's ear.

Are we even through the first stage?
Original lockdown should have been much stricter.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:04 pm**

Ah well, at least we've got another slogan. Still not enough testing, still not enough PPE, still a calamitous situation in Care Homes; but we've got a different slogan.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:12 pm**

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:13 pm**

MrTopTier wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 8:12 pm

That reminds me of the Stone Roses song “I wanna be a door”

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:16 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 8:02 pm
Are we even through the first stage?
Original lockdown should have been much stricter.

Well! if you take the scientific advice as gospel,we're past the peak,but our numbers of fatalities & new cases aren't dropping that quickly,compared to say Spain,where for about 2 weeks their death tolls have been under 200 a day,it did help that their government properly enforced the lockdown,ours has been lax from day one,sums up the whole affair,not enough clarity and leadership.

TBF you can''t totally blame the government,for the British public behaving like a bunch of numbskulls,and treating this last 2 months as an extended holiday,instead of a national emergency.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 pm**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 8:16 pm

TBF you can''t totally blame the government,for the British public behaving like a bunch of numbskulls,and treating this last 2 months as an extended holiday,instead of a national emergency.

Numbskulls we are (collectively), or we wouldn't have a PM like Bumbling Boris who has openly flaunted safety advice, shaking hands in hospital FFS!

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 8:22 pm**

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:57 pm
Damned if they do
Damned if they don't

Boris has been dealt a sh!tty stick in his short tenure as PM ... he has done a lot right ... he has also got a bit wrong ... but I feel he is (at the moment) the right man for the job.

Oi...........dont be Quoting me....I'll be damned!!!

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:32 pm**

Free to visit the supermarket daily, if you so desired, and to go out for exercise we were never really in "lockdown" were we?

A much tougher lockdown in Spain, where people were routinely stopped by police returning from a shopping trip to examine till receipts, and adults from the same household had to exercise separately.

Following the garbled and somewhat confusing message this evening, it will be very interesting to see how the public react and if the transport system starts to get busier from tomorrow.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:38 pm**

Dyched wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 8:13 pm
That reminds me of the Stone Roses song “I wanna be a door”

While listening to that song an ex-girlfriend asked me "what's a dored?"

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:40 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 9:32 pm
Free to visit the supermarket daily, if you so desired, and to go out for exercise we were never really in "lockdown" were we?

A much tougher lockdown in Spain, where people were routinely stopped by police returning from a shopping trip to examine till receipts, and adults from the same household had to exercise separately.

It’s up to us to be responsible though isn’t it? I don’t need to be told popping into tesco everyday isn’t a good idea. I also can limit myself to 1 hour of exercise each day. It really isn’t hard. People have taken it upon themselves to behave tbh appallingly but not only themselves but their families and others at risk for being stupid.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:44 pm**

Dyched wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 9:40 pm
It’s up to us to be responsible though isn’t it? I don’t need to be told popping into tesco everyday isn’t a good idea. I also can limit myself to 1 hour of exercise each day. It really isn’t hard. People have taken it upon themselves to behave tbh appallingly but not only themselves but their families and others at risk for being stupid.

This exactly. The gist of today's statement is for people to use their common sense. As always, 90% of people will but the remaining 10% who are paralysed from the neck up will not.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:47 pm**

"It's up to us to be responsible though isn't it?"

As when Boris was shown on TV shaking hands with Covid19 patients you mean?

Leadership should start at the top and work it's way down.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:51 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 9:47 pm
"It's up to us to be responsible though isn't it?"

As when Boris was shown on TV shaking hands with Covid19 patients you mean?

Doesn’t change the fact, unfortunately there is no evidence that we will act responsibly.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 9:53 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 9:47 pm
"It's up to us to be responsible though isn't it?"

As when Boris was shown on TV shaking hands with Covid19 patients you mean?

Leadership should start at the top and work it's way down.

So you’ve just ignored the rules because of that I presume?

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm**

So if I have this right

Last week we could go to supermarkets or B&Q where we have no idea on the medical condition of anybody else, providing we stayed 2 metres apart

Now we can also go back to work, with people we haven't seen for ages, providing we again keep 2 metres apart plus we can go out "for exercise" as many times as we want taking care when, again, we come into contact with strangers

But we can't visit relatives even if keeping the same social distance measures - am I correct on this?

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:14 pm**

so the early sheep are out in force bleating again, told that there was a virus that kills you, stay safe look after people you love and yourself, oi, want to go the pub, yea and there are some great places to visit and meet other with a great atmosphere, yea let's go. Cue few weeks later, they just don't tell us, it's mixed messages, why don't they lock us down, why don't they tell us not to go out, I need a clear message!! Clear message, stay home, entertainment/sports/gatherings all closed down, fast forward,right I'm fed up with this, let's go to the park, let's go to the seaside, it's a nice day, policemen being spat at, loads of new frauds/scams come out, people step up stealing. Marches and placards, stop this lockdown, we need to get out.

Today, you can do a little more but it's dangerous, the R number is down below 1.0 but only just, so while you can do a little more be careful, stay alert, keep you distance, only go out with people in your own household, don't mix, don't get close whether shopping or walking or doing any activity.

Biggest problem this government have is that they believe the sheep have brains and can think and will act properly to keep the R # down but hear we are, ohhh my goodness it's not clear, ohhh it's mixed messages, sheep proving beyond belief that you can't think for yourselves. Sheep wanting a Shepard to have a dog to drive you into the enclosure, needing implicit instructions in what to do to stay safe, it amazes me you can even cross a road safely. Bah Bahh

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:25 pm**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 7:59 pm
Yeah! until the 2nd spike,if you don't believe me look at Germany for evidence,modest lifting of their lockdown,and in just a few days their R number is above 1 again.

Anyone would think the business moguls have had a word in BoJo's ear.

Suspect this will be the ongoing debate. It’s clear that lifting any restrictions will impact the R rate. The trick will be lifting them slowly enough to understand the impacts of each one. We can’t stay in lockdown forever, so it’s now a very precarious balancing act. Not one I’d like to manage.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:28 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:14 pm
so the early sheep are out in force bleating again, told that there was a virus that kills you, stay safe look after people you love and yourself, oi, want to go the pub, yea and there are some great places to visit and meet other with a great atmosphere, yea let's go. Cue few weeks later, they just don't tell us, it's mixed messages, why don't they lock us down, why don't they tell us not to go out, I need a clear message!! Clear message, stay home, entertainment/sports/gatherings all closed down, fast forward,right I'm fed up with this, let's go to the park, let's go to the seaside, it's a nice day, policemen being spat at, loads of new frauds/scams come out, people step up stealing. Marches and placards, stop this lockdown, we need to get out.

Today, you can do a little more but it's dangerous, the R number is down below 1.0 but only just, so while you can do a little more be careful, stay alert, keep you distance, only go out with people in your own household, don't mix, don't get close whether shopping or walking or doing any activity.

Biggest problem this government have is that they believe the sheep have brains and can think and will act properly to keep the R # down but hear we are, ohhh my goodness it's not clear, ohhh it's mixed messages, sheep proving beyond belief that you can't think for yourselves. Sheep wanting a Shepard to have a dog to drive you into the enclosure, needing implicit instructions in what to do to stay safe, it amazes me you can even cross a road safely. Bah Bahh

Yep, knowing how to cross a road safely is definitely comparable with knowing how to return to work and make a living safely whilst minimising your risk of contracting coronavirus.

Come on people, we don't need any clarity.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:35 pm**

the **** have virtually ignored the lockdown since day one, lots of stuff out there of noisy b******* partying on streets etc.
Now there is a slight relaxation , and parks have been referred to as okay places to go, cue mass gatherings and maniacs using it as an excuse to wreak havoc.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:35 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:14 pm
so the early sheep are out in force bleating again, told that there was a virus that kills you, stay safe look after people you love and yourself, oi, want to go the pub, yea and there are some great places to visit and meet other with a great atmosphere, yea let's go. Cue few weeks later, they just don't tell us, it's mixed messages, why don't they lock us down, why don't they tell us not to go out, I need a clear message!! Clear message, stay home, entertainment/sports/gatherings all closed down, fast forward,right I'm fed up with this, let's go to the park, let's go to the seaside, it's a nice day, policemen being spat at, loads of new frauds/scams come out, people step up stealing. Marches and placards, stop this lockdown, we need to get out.

Today, you can do a little more but it's dangerous, the R number is down below 1.0 but only just, so while you can do a little more be careful, stay alert, keep you distance, only go out with people in your own household, don't mix, don't get close whether shopping or walking or doing any activity.

Biggest problem this government have is that they believe the sheep have brains and can think and will act properly to keep the R # down but hear we are, ohhh my goodness it's not clear, ohhh it's mixed messages, sheep proving beyond belief that you can't think for yourselves. Sheep wanting a Shepard to have a dog to drive you into the enclosure, needing implicit instructions in what to do to stay safe, it amazes me you can even cross a road safely. Bah Bahh

Embarrassing.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:40 pm**

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:35 pm
the **** have virtually ignored the lockdown since day one, lots of stuff out there of noisy b******* partying on streets etc.
Now there is a slight relaxation , and parks have been referred to as okay places to go, cue mass gatherings and maniacs using it as an excuse to wreak havoc.

Exactly!but between their partying,they'll make sure they conduct their weekly clap for carers,so that'll make everything alright.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:42 pm**

Bah Bah,
usual non reply
Do you understand the R number, let's say yes
Do you understand how you contact C-19, let's say yes
Do you understand the safe distance rule how far apart you should be to people who are not of your household, let's say yes
Can you do all of the above when you go out, let's say yes

Keep doing all of the above

Are you going to work presently, are you working from home, are on furlough, are you without a job?

Surely you can figure out what to do in any one of the 4 situations.

If you are working then be just as if not more vigilant
If your home you should be in regular contact with your employer, I'll take a SWAG and say you have e-mail and a phone, use it to see what are the plans, it's not for the government to tell you.
Furlough, same thing, communicate, find out plans for the future
Unemployed or self employed you know what to do, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, not sure why but I am.

REMEMBER IF ALL ELSE FAILS DO NOTHING BUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND STAY SAFE AND MORE ALERT, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE AROUND

BAH BAH

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:43 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:35 pm
Embarrassing.

HAVE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ohhh sorry, do you need instructions on how to do that, you really are a pathetic argumentative person

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:46 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:43 pm
HAVE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ohhh sorry, do you need instructions on how to do that, you really are a pathetic argumentative person

Wow. Do you have any self awareness? Have a look at your posts above.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:46 pm**

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
So if I have this right

Last week we could go to supermarkets or B&Q where we have no idea on the medical condition of anybody else, providing we stayed 2 metres apart

Now we can also go back to work, with people we haven't seen for ages, providing we again keep 2 metres apart plus we can go out "for exercise" as many times as we want taking care when, again, we come into contact with strangers

But we can't visit relatives even if keeping the same social distance measures - am I correct on this?

Visiting loved ones doesnt butter any parsnips for the moneymen who run this circus.

Grafting for the man does.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:47 pm**

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
So if I have this right

Last week we could go to supermarkets or B&Q where we have no idea on the medical condition of anybody else, providing we stayed 2 metres apart

Now we can also go back to work, with people we haven't seen for ages, providing we again keep 2 metres apart plus we can go out "for exercise" as many times as we want taking care when, again, we come into contact with strangers

But we can't visit relatives even if keeping the same social distance measures - am I correct on this?

Reading in-between the lines the general message I interpreted was, carry on doing what you've been doing & just be safe & sensible without being too patronising, probably conceding the lockdown as been ignored by lots of people just exercising plain common sense odd exceptions of course, we are over the worse of it so he's cutting everybody some slack, I didn't think it was a terrible speech although not as clear as I would have liked, if we get to where we need to be subject to monitoring the situation further measures will be eased in due course.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:49 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:43 pm
HAVE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ohhh sorry, do you need instructions on how to do that, you really are a pathetic argumentative person

I know you often post about how much wine you drink, so I'll assume you've had far too much again.

You'll wake up tomorrow with a really sore head and a lingering feeling you've made a complete tit of yourself on the message board again. Hopefully you'll have the decency to issue another apology.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:50 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:46 pm
Wow. Do you have any self awareness? Have a look at your posts above.

self awareness, you are pathetic, you infect threads with the sole purpose of being argumentative and insulting and you have the cheek to write about self awareness.

If you don't know what to do, stay in and call the help line, write to your MP and tell him you don't understand what is being said tell him you don't understand what Stay Alert means, grow up.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:52 pm**

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
So if I have this right

Last week we could go to supermarkets or B&Q where we have no idea on the medical condition of anybody else, providing we stayed 2 metres apart

Now we can also go back to work, with people we haven't seen for ages, providing we again keep 2 metres apart plus we can go out "for exercise" as many times as we want taking care when, again, we come into contact with strangers

But we can't visit relatives even if keeping the same social distance measures - am I correct on this?

I think you're correct. Although it's still not clear is it. My first reaction was that I could now drive the 50 miles to see my grandson but keep to the social distance measures upon arrival. I think I'm wrong though. It needs to be made much clearer.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:52 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:50 pm
self awareness, you are pathetic, you infect threads with the sole purpose of being argumentative and insulting and you have the cheek to write about self awareness.

If you don't know what to do, stay in and call the help line, write to your MP and tell him you don't understand what is being said tell him you don't understand what Stay Alert means, grow up.

Take another look at your posts on this thread, then look at mine, and ask yourself who is being argumentative and insulting.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:59 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:52 pm
Take another look at your posts on this thread, then look at mine, and ask yourself who is being argumentative and insulting.

I don't need to, I have been reading your posts to numerous people over months. If you don't know what to do ask someone because you're clearly having a go at what was said today because it's not clear to you as are many others. I really do know how to look after myself and my family and understand what was said and why it was said. There is a huge difference in saying I don't understand because there is no clear meassge and saying I don't agree with it.

If you don't know learn and ask, stop bleating

If you don't agree with it that's fine it was not meant especially for you or your family in terms of "thou shalt" go out

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 10:59 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:52 pm
Take another look at your posts on this thread, then look at mine, and ask yourself who is being argumentative and insulting.

What bit of the speech do you not understand?

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 11:04 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sun May 10, 2020 10:59 pm
I don't need to, I have been reading your posts to numerous people over months. If you don't know what to do ask someone because you're clearly having a go at what was said today because it's not clear to you as are many others. I really do know how to look after myself and my family and understand what was said and why it was said. There is a huge difference in saying I don't understand because there is no clear meassge and saying I don't agree with it.

If you don't know learn and ask, stop bleating

If you don't agree with it that's fine it was not meant especially for you or your family in terms of "thou shalt" go out

I don’t really understand a lot of what you’ve posted here. But I haven’t had a go at what was say today by the PM, in fact I haven’t even made a comment on it yet. I just said that your post about people being sheep is embarrassing, which it is.

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