Is it just me or is this racism movement all going a bit too far.

They say the name Redskins is racist and Fedex and other sponsors are demanding a name change which the club have agreed to consider.

IMO the name is more a mark of respect for the native people of that country. Maybe the Washington Indians would be more appropriate.

They'll be wanting the names of Blackburn and Blackpool changed next because they're racist.

Do we have to change the name of the spuds too?
Their name fits their appearance but in this PC world who knows?

Appropriate names for *****pool and *****burn would be?

I’m a Redskins fan and this has been building up over years. Daniel Snyder has always told them to do one but with the BLM campaign taking such a hold it is now looking inevitable.
I would like them to drop the Redskins and just be Washington. Fans would then use Redskins.
Cleveland Indians are in a review process currently and I can only imagine Atlanta Braves being dragged into the mess.

I've heard Brighton are under pressure from wokes to change to Blefton too.

There should be a campaign to force Ireland to change the name of its Capital city Dublin then .... as Dublin is the Gallic for Blackpool ... Dubh Linn.

Firthy wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:54 am

Is it just me or is this racism movement all going a bit too far.

They say the name Redskins is racist and Fedex and other sponsors are demanding a name change which the club have agreed to consider.

IMO the name is more a mark of respect for the native people of that country. Maybe the Washington Indians would be more appropriate.

They'll be wanting the names of Blackburn and Blackpool changed next because they're racist.

Maybe you should ask the local indigenous population, who have been campaigning for many, many years to get the name changed, (Long before George Floyd.) before you call it 'Respect'?

You can't even say Blackboard anymore without being murdered in cold blood by Antifa.

How far back do you go ? Do we change everything with a history some don’t like ? Every single country has got some history with colonisation or wars to do with race or religion. Some people wouldnt be alive today or in the countries where they are complaining but for this history. It’s s but like the Buttefly Effect. We should learn from history but not try to change it which includes renaming everything which may have some kind of offending aspect to some.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am

I've heard Brighton are under pressure from wokes to change to Blefton too.

Brighton, and indeed West Brom have a real problem. Albion was the old Roman name for England and means white land.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:24 am

I've heard Brighton are under pressure from wokes to change to Blefton too.

That's just one extreme, to the other!

what about Black Rod, in Parliament?

Change it to Washington 4 skin

I think it is all a great shame.

White man speak with fork tongue!

Theres a reason why Netflix and the BBC have been removing TV shows, why institutions and businesses are renaming things and why prominent public people are being careful where they show their support for and that is because these people, companies and institutions dont want to court controversy and stick their neck out and the power of the mob is strong

Have a think about this and ask yourself why with the current backlash in opinion against BLM why certain people and businesses are rowing back from their outward public support for the movement. It might not be quite like some of you want to think in that the FA, Prem League, Sky, politicians and presenters suddenly think it was a con and not a really strong powerful movement but like with the TV Shows it is easier for them to play it safe

So you might get mad about the Washington Redskins or Little Britain whilst feeling victorious about the Prem League and Jamie Redknapp but the reality is that all these reactions come from the same place and that is one of not wanting to rock the boat and risk causing yourself harm from being associated to the 'wrong' thing

Dont complain about people with the views you dont like being able to influence things like this whilst crowing about people with the same views of you doing the same as that tends to make you either a hypocrite or somebody who is just a bit to thick to see the contradiction

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38 am

Maybe you should ask the local indigenous population, who have been campaigning for many, many years to get the name changed, (Long before George Floyd.) before you call it 'Respect'?

It's all down to perception and opinions. My perception is that I see it as respecting the indigenous people of that country. I don't know why they would want it changed unless the term "redskins" is offensive to them. But if they are trying to also change the name of the Cleveland Indians then I guess that isn't the case.

Why wouldn't they want anything naming after them. It is not disrespectfui in any way.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:47 am

what about Black Rod, in Parliament?

I think there would be more of an uproar if he was called White Rod. What if he was a ‘black’ person in the future ? What if it was a woman the future ? Would it be sexist to call that person Rod ? You can go on and on with this and it isn’t helpful pandering to Wokes.

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They'll be wanting the names of Blackburn and Blackpool changed next because they're racist.
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I have actually changed one of them myself...

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:02 am

Appropriate names for *****pool and *****burn would be?

Lasherpool and b4st4rdburn any good to ya?

Firthy wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:04 am

It's all down to perception and opinions. My perception is that I see it as respecting the indigenous people of that country. I don't know why they would want it changed unless the term "redskins" is offensive to them. But if they are trying to also change the name of the Cleveland Indians then I guess that isn't the case.

Why wouldn't they want anything naming after them. It is not disrespectfui in any way.

Clearly, they don't like the term 'Redskins' any more than black people like the name n*****.

How can anyone judge how respectful a word for another race of people is, other than.. that race of people.

I believe Blackburn Rovers will now be called Blackburn Stayput due to The insult caused to the gypsy community

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:23 am

How can anyone judge how respectful a word for another race of people is, other than.. that race of people.

Precisely. If the local 'First nation' people don't like a term, wouldn't it be respectful not to use it?

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:00 am

Do we have to change the name of the spuds too?
Their name fits their appearance but in this PC world who knows?

Get it right - it Currys PC World.

You don't want to annoy all the white goods by leaving them out.

Oh. Wait a minute....

Now I'm for it.

Firthy wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:04 am

It's all down to perception and opinions. My perception is that I see it as respecting the indigenous people of that country. I don't know why they would want it changed unless the term "redskins" is offensive to them. But if they are trying to also change the name of the Cleveland Indians then I guess that isn't the case.

Why wouldn't they want anything naming after them. It is not disrespectfui in any way.

I'm taking a wild guess that you're speaking from the perspective of a bloke from Burnley rather than a Native American.

Maybe try reading up on it a little first https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... term-resp/

Firthy wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:04 am

It's all down to perception and opinions. My perception is that I see it as respecting the indigenous people of that country. I don't know why they would want it changed unless the term "redskins" is offensive to them. But if they are trying to also change the name of the Cleveland Indians then I guess that isn't the case.

Why wouldn't they want anything naming after them. It is not disrespectfui in any way.

I think your perception is wrong. Do you think native Americans like being called Indians or Redskins?

Blackrod wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:09 am

I think there would be more of an uproar if he was called White Rod. What if he was a ‘black’ person in the future ? What if it was a woman the future ? Would it be sexist to call that person Rod ? You can go on and on with this and it isn’t helpful pandering to Wokes.

Well said Blackrod!

Not just protecting your own interests?

Blackrod wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:09 am

What if it was a woman the future ? Would it be sexist to call that person Rod ? You can go on and on with this and it isn’t helpful pandering to Wokes.

You do realalise that Black Rod is currently a woman dont you? Also the full title is either Lady Usher of the Black Rod or
Gentlemen Usher of the Black Rod depending on if Black Rod is male or female

Maybe before you start getting your knickers in a twist about sexism and wokeness you should try and educate yourself a little first

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:02 am

Appropriate names for *****pool and *****burn would be?

*****pool and *****burn

I think you've hit it in one !

Foulthrow wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:38 am

Get it right - it Currys PC World.

You don't want to annoy all the white goods by leaving them out.

Oh. Wait a minute....

Now I'm for it.

no no no ... white goods come in the full range of colou... erm sorry ... tints and hues ... oh bugger now I have upset those called Hugh.

Redskins don'thave much of a leg to stand on. (Apologies for being disablist!) They have an argument that "Redskins" were so called because they wore red war paint and/or make-up, but it's a bit thin. Redskins best defence has always been that the native Washington area Indians aren't the ones making the big fuss.

Of course, with the anti-slavery movement that seems to have taken off again, the name "Washington" might be the more obvious target. When he was president in Philadelphia, Philadelphia had a law saying that a slave who had been there for 6 months was automatically freed. So Washington sent his back to Virginia every 5 months for a month at home!

Cleveland Indians' problem, and I'm amazed it's never been replaced, is their logo. Chief Wahoo, I believe his name is, and it's an absolute caricature of an Indian face.

As for the word "Indians", it's no issue at all with many if not most Indians. Milwaukee Public Museum has a whole floor dedicated to Indian history, set up with full approval of the local four tribes, and the word Indian is there throughout. After all, if the choice is to be called "Indian" or "Native American", which is the better thing to be named after - a lump of land thousands of miles away where a lost European thought he had reached, or a colonist who wiped out as many of the locals as he could reach?

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:47 am

what about Black Rod, in Parliament?

Especially when the current incumbent is a lady, ooh err

Washington Redskins have given many millions to Native American communities over the years. If they are to lose their title I would hope this ceases.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:03 pm

You do realalise that Black Rod is currently a woman dont you? Also the full title is either Lady Usher of the Black Rod or
Gentlemen Usher of the Black Rod depending on if Black Rod is male or female

Maybe before you start getting your knickers in a twist about sexism and wokeness you should try and educate yourself a little first

Patronising little tw*t. No I wasn’t up to date on whether it was currently a woman or not. I was making a point but you just done like it. I know for a fact I am better educated than you. You are the resident troll in the absence of IT if you are not the same person.

Show us your diplomas Blackrod

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:49 pm

Washington Redskins have given many millions to Native American communities over the years. If they are to lose their title I would hope this ceases.

I would hope it remains the same ffs ... how bloody stupid to say what you just said Huw

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:54 pm

Show us your diplomas Blackrod

perhaps he bought them off tinterweb

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:54 pm

Show us your diplomas Blackrod

Here the other troll

The ultimate gesture would be to have everyone leave America, Im sure the indigenous Indians would much prefer that rather than some sports team tweaking their name in 2020.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:54 pm

I would hope it remains the same ffs ... how bloody stupid to say what you just said Huw

Why for? There was no pressure on them to donate. They did it out of respect the NAs no longer desire that respect so shouldn’t expect to be subsidised by the team. Any moneys paid to the NAs should come from federal government for stealing their country.

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:49 pm

Washington Redskins have given many millions to Native American communities over the years. If they are to lose their title I would hope this ceases.

Why on earth would you want a rich organisation to stop giving money to the community? Totally bizarre.

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:20 pm

Why for? There was no pressure on them to donate. They did it out of respect the NAs no longer desire that respect so shouldn’t expect to be subsidised by the team. Any moneys paid to the NAs should come from federal government for stealing their country.

Thats not the point Huw ... the point is they gave millions why would you wish it to stop ... as Riley says "bizaare"

No it’s not PC it is entirely the correct move to make. It is just wrong and they needed to react and do the right thing. Claretandjew has it right with his comment.

I’m actually becoming quite stunned by the bandwagoning PAC push-back brigade. This current sentiment is exactly the time to right the blatant wrongs.

How this has come about is that a few days ago there was a National Public Radio (NPR) article featuring three brand experts - a current fortune 50 CMaO, a prominent Marketing and brand professor, and a brand business CEO, previously a CMO of a couple of fortune 50 tech companies. Brand is a powerful thing, and they were each asked which brand they would appeal to to change their name, and one of them immediately said Washington Redskins. The power of brand being that while there were rumblings about the name locally for a couple of years now, the exposure made them have to react.

A very good choice.

And.by the way, don’t underestimate the current and growing list of major companies boycotting FB.... this is one to watch

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:26 pm

Cleveland Indians' problem, and I'm amazed it's never been replaced, is their logo. Chief Wahoo, I believe his name is, and it's an absolute caricature of an Indian face.

They've not used it for a couple of years but it should have been consigned to history a long time before it was.

Edit - still used on some merchandise sold at the ball park apparently, but not for much longer one would assume.

Atlanta Braves
New York Yankees
Cleveland Indians

Where does it end

It ends when they all change their names to something more appropriate, so they should become
Atlanta leadblowers
New York socialnodistancers
Cleveland withthefirstpickinthedraft
Black rod becomes Sarah cattleprodder

Apart from my renaming them all as if they were nfl teams that works.

Look if the Redskins change their name it's going to be a win win , as the PC mob will be happy and think about all the new merchandise the new club will bring out $$$$$$

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:30 pm

Atlanta Braves
New York Yankees
Cleveland Indians

Where does it end

At the end of your list?

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:26 am

There should be a campaign to force Ireland to change the name of its Capital city Dublin then .... as Dublin is the Gallic for Blackpool ... Dubh Linn.

No it isn't. .Gallic is French.

Marty Dobson wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:05 pm

No it isn't. .Gallic is French.

Sorry Gaelic ... you knew what I meant ya Pedant