One of the holy 3, Pope, McNeil or Tarks and Dyche gets the money to strength the team who do you let go, assuming each one would generate £50m+

For me, it’s Tarks- purely based on our history of replacing defenders. The decision has been more difficult since he became captain.

Or, would I let Pope go if we could bring back Heaton.

Tough decision.

Dwight....unfortunately

I vote for selling Gudmondsson and Brady for £25m each.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:00 am

I vote for selling Gudmondsson and Brady for £25 each.

Crocks,ive changed it for you

that is my biggest fear this summer

We shouldn't need to sell. The deciding factor would be players who may choose to leave.

Dwight will be the hardest to replace, but I wouldn't sell any of them unless we really really have to

None of Pope,Tarks or McNeil are easily replaced as each bring
something integral to the team.
But if someone comes and offers big money or enough to make us
feel we can't turn it down then I would presume it would more than likely be McNeil.
Dyche has already said that McNeil will move on/up.

Pope and Tarks are central to our defence so losing one or both of them
would risk damaging the foundations.

I'd like to think any starting bid for any of them would be 30m
although I feel both Pope and Tarks are +
But they both have the potential to play at the top for a good few years
and I think both are reasonably happy to stay.

If I was Lampard and needing a new keeper and CB I know where I would be looking, we will 100% get bids for those 2 and McNeil this summer

We Dont.....

The business model is to sell at a price that makes sense to our production line model. Sell a player for say £40,000,000 that we can replace with one after development. Chelsea can have Nick, for £60,000,000. It encourages the next to come to Burnley. Same with Tarks and Dwight.

Yeah it’s Tarkowski. Been pretty much world class last couple of months in footballer terms but would be the least hassle to replace,

I fear Garlicks mindset at the moment is immediate financial interest and selling will be encouraged. Don't hold your breath for replacements either. Some of you are suggesting what SD will do, I fear he will be one of those leaving, the compensation we get will go the same way as the incoming transfer fees. Garlick will look to a manager currently out of work and will get a lower wage than Dyche. Its a shame really, I think if we could keep it all together and add just 1 or 2 more we would e a very good side next year

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:56 am

I fear Garlicks mindset at the moment is immediate financial interest and selling will be encouraged. Don't hold your breath for replacements either. Some of you are suggesting what SD will do, I fear he will be one of those leaving, the compensation we get will go the same way as the incoming transfer fees. Garlick will look to a manager currently out of work and will get a lower wage than Dyche. Its a shame really, I think if we could keep it all together and add just 1 or 2 more we would e a very good side next year

I know this is an open opinion message board but that’s just rubbish

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:50 am

I know this is an open opinion message board but that’s just rubbish

I most certainly hope you are right

When you say that's just rubbish, I hope you don't mean the bit about being a good side next year

We don’t need to sell.

But Dyche proves every year that even if and when we do the sum of the parts are more important than the individual components.

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:13 am

We don’t need to sell.

But Dyche proves every year that even if and when we do the sum of the parts are more important than the individual components.

Indeed he does, but he is now saying that premiership football is not sustainable with the current financial model

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:17 am

Indeed he does, but he is now saying that premiership football is not sustainable with the current financial model

Is he? Has he actually said that?

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:17 am

Indeed he does, but he is now saying that premiership football is not sustainable with the current financial model

He’s proved time and again it is. And with the impacts of the pandemic the market we usually shop in (lower leagues) will likely to be well affected, the market our players tend to go to if they’re snapped up (higher up the premier league) usually have sugar daddies so we should still get top dollar for them. And we’ve heavily invested in the academy getting cat1 status.

Dwight, sadly. We know he’s going soon so if one has to go it may as well be him.
Very difficult to replace him. I can’t think of anybody, we can afford, that could bring the same skill set to the side.

With our reputation for identifying and improving keepers and defenders. Keane, Trippier, Tarkowski, Heaton, Pope. Players, you'd think; would jump at the chance of joining us if they're lower league/fringe Premier League. International call up's and generally improving them as individuals and players, not to mention Premier League football. Two of those mentioned were signed from clubs relegated from the Championship. One was at a club not really going anywhere at the time. Two wanted first team opportunities.
McNeil is our most valuable asset but also the hardest/most expensive to replace. Tarkoswki would be the least of a hit on our team for me as we have a fantastic ability of identifying defenders. It would make good business sense if we identified a centre half for say £15 million and sold Tarks on for £40/50 million. That said, we already need another centre half. So would end up needing two. Selling McNeil would not be wise until/or if we could replace with another and that won't come cheap. We're already limited with wide players due to JBG and Brady spending so much time on the injury list. We can't rely on them to stay fit.

If Lampard comes calling for Tarks - I don't think he would go given his preference to be in the NW. I'm sure I have read on here before that we have a substantial buy out clause for any NW club; which if true, would indicate the knowledge of his preference to be up here.

Going to Chelsea would offer Champs League and would be seen as a step up for sure though so who knows.

McNeil, he is still at the point of his career where he is getting PL games under his belt, week in and week out. I think we will see him develop for at least another year with us - unless someone can offer/guarantee plenty of playing time?

Pope- he is the one that worries me most in going but if he gets the England shirt and becomes no1 whist with us.. I'm not sure if that would reduce the need for him to move, or whether it would then just become more difficult to keep him.

Anyone except Dyche.

We are not a team where individual brilliance is the key. Look at Villa, reliant on Grealish to deliver every game. When he goes, so do Villa. We don't have the funds to be a team full of Agueros and Jesuses. Our strength is the collective might of people working (and boy do they work) together. We saw yesterday, last week against West Ham and Palace, at Old Trafford before lockdown, and in many other games.

Dyche is the key and the players give their all for him. If/ when he goes, we could go into melt-down and none of us want that.

LONG LIVE PROUDSVILLE !

It's coming to something when fans are discussing the finances of buying and selling players early on a Sunday morning.

If anyone, Nick Pope ... £35m minimum, and bank the money quick before whoever signs him realises that at least half of what makes Nick Pope great is our defensive system that clears crosses and blocks shots before Nick has the chance to do his stuff ....
Bailey Peacock-Farrell has had a year immersed in Billy Mercer's magic methods, and I suspect we've already identified another lower-league keeper to place on our " production line " .

I think Tarks is more likely to want a move this summer, with Dwight willing to give it another year.

I feel for Tarks when it seems quite apparent that the club he is registered to is affecting his international opportunities. He’s also given us some good service and has earned a big money move for himself in my eyes.

I’d say the same for Pope regards England but it’s white apparent that Pickford has naked pictures of Southgate...

The Chairman didn’t get where he is today without understanding business.

I am sure he will work out a compromise with Dyche and buy the replacements first. So a fund of £25m could buy a centre half for £10-12m and2 or 3 £5m ish players. A right back and up to a couple of midfield utility players who can run around and play central or mid

Then next year cash in on one or two of the holy trinity and in a better market

This plan should ensure that we can finish top 10 and replace whoever we sell out of the holy trinity with more players to swell the squad and maintain our top half status and get the £25m back with change

To not fund so is like betting the ranch. I am sure if Garlick hasn’t worked this plan out then Dyche has and they will both work it.

If one of the fab 4 want to go there is nothing can be done and so just deal with it but at least it will fund the transfer pot

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:56 am

I fear Garlicks mindset at the moment is immediate financial interest and selling will be encouraged. Don't hold your breath for replacements either. Some of you are suggesting what SD will do, I fear he will be one of those leaving, the compensation we get will go the same way as the incoming transfer fees. Garlick will look to a manager currently out of work and will get a lower wage than Dyche. Its a shame really, I think if we could keep it all together and add just 1 or 2 more we would e a very good side next year

Even if we sold Pope, Tarks, Dwight and Dyche, the combined £150m or so is not much more than one seasons PL revenue. Would make no economic sense whatsoever to put that income stream in jeopardy because the moment we get relegated the clubs value will plummet.

Assuming MG does want to sell, would make far more sense adding one or two, keeping this group together, then looking to sell over the next 12 months with the club doing well.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:00 am

I vote for selling Gudmondsson and Brady for £25m each.

You'd be lucky to get 25 pence for Brady.

Strange situation at the moment. If we sold Tarky for example, we would have to very, very quickly not only replace him, but also train that replacement to play 'The Burnley Way' in a very short time. That has almost always taken quite a while, and we've integrated players over long periods.

That would mean we'd likely start next season with no trained CH back up, even if Ben if fully fit by then.

I doubt we'll sell any of our critical team infrastructure during this window. At least, I hope not.

Peacock-Farrel has good potential, no reason why he can’t replace Pope and progress within the first team like Nick did.

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:56 am

I fear Garlicks mindset at the moment is immediate financial interest and selling will be encouraged. Don't hold your breath for replacements either. Some of you are suggesting what SD will do, I fear he will be one of those leaving, the compensation we get will go the same way as the incoming transfer fees. Garlick will look to a manager currently out of work and will get a lower wage than Dyche. Its a shame really, I think if we could keep it all together and add just 1 or 2 more we would e a very good side next year

Is this Mr G's 'Bob Lord' moment?

He wants a stand, outlet of his chairmanship! Verge of a real team and blows it in favour of a few quid?

If we become like Leicester, their players value is twice ours and yet, I would not swap. Hang on Mr G.

I can’t see Tarkowski being with us much longer tbh. He is an absolute Rolls Royce of a player now, definitely in the top 5 centre backs in the league. I would imagine one of the big 6 will come in for him, probably this summer.

wickdkewlclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:47 am

Peacock-Farrel has good potential, no reason why he can’t replace Pope and progress within the first team like Nick did.

We'd still have to find at least one other keeper to challenge for the keepers shirt.

Tom Heaton will be available soon!

We may not need to sell but I'm sure the board won't want to be in the same position of seeing assets run down their contracts. Hopefully the board can match SD and players in terms of aspirations and keep the group together.
However, it's out of our hands if Virgil van Dyck says to Klopp he wants Tarkowski as a partner next season.

I suppose it will depend who, if anyone, wants to leave? Footballers are people too. Some are more ambitious than others, some are greedier than others.

Most players at Burnley seem to buy into the excellent team culture that Sean has built, but as in most walks of life, if someone offers you more money, to effectively do the same thing, most would take it and you can't blame them.

I sincerely believe that Sean will stay at Burnley, so maybe that will influence what players choose to do?

I'd want us to buy any replacement before we sell otherwise every club will know how much money we theoretically have in the bank and bump the price up. I would also like us to start using this European scouting network we supposedly have as buying from English teams is an expensive exercise.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:11 am

Tom Heaton will be available soon!

That would suit me, but apparrently he's on near £100,000 a week at Villa. I don't think he'd take a 40 K a week pay cut. Would you?

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:22 am

That would suit me, but apparrently he's on near £100,000 a week at Villa. I don't think he'd take a 40 K a week pay cut. Wopuld you?

For Tom, he would, if add ons like, 'coach' after career end are built in and he is 2nd fiddle at Villa.

Awful lot of drama queenery on here.
Players come, players go;
Managers come, managers go;
If our Board is looking after the long term future of the Club itself I am happy with that and no one has convinced me yet that the Board has anything other than the best, long term interests of the Club at heart.
(PS It's Mr Garlick)

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:24 am

For Tom, he would, if add ons like, 'coach' after career end are built in and he is 2nd fiddle at Villa.

When he's fully fit again, he won't be second fiddle ANYWHERE. As for the coaching role, he's likely to be offered that at Burnley anyway once he hangs up his gloves.

CaptainKirk wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:27 am

Awful lot of drama queenery on here.
Players come, players go;
Managers come, managers go;
If our Board is looking after the long term future of the Club itself I am happy with that and no one has convinced me yet that the Board has anything other than the best, long term interests of the Club at heart.
(PS It's Mr Garlick)

Agree completely. We've had one small drama that has been blown up out of all proportion and there are people basically saying "Sack the board".

This board is the best thing that has ever happened to BFC, and I include Sean Dyche in that. (After all, they appointed him.)

I think that too many younger people are very impatient and that's reflected on here. Instant success is a very rare commodity and the real route to success is patience and hard work. Our fantastic board have done that over many years now.

Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:55 pm

One of the holy 3, Pope, McNeil or Tarks and Dyche gets the money to strength the team who do you let go, assuming each one would generate £50m+

For me, it’s Tarks- purely based on our history of replacing defenders. The decision has been more difficult since he became captain.

Or, would I let Pope go if we could bring back Heaton.

Tough decision.

Not a chance I'd bring Heaton back

If we have to sell it will be a book balancing exercise when it comes to price - from an Accounts perspective the 2 biggest concerns are the growing wage bill (real cash) and growing amortisation (accounting procedure) - combined that was £125m last season on revenues of just under £138m.

If we look at our squad - the biggest wages are with Mee and Wood, the largest annual amortisation is with Gibson, Jay, Wood (reduced since he signed the extension) , Vydra, Cork and Brady (again reduced due to extension). There are 2 ways to reduce amortisation, sell the player or extend the contract. It would appear that we are looking to sell Gibson and no doubt Sean is looking to extend contracts on a range of these players - though many could be viewed as being the wrong side of 30 if looking at it coldly.

When it comes to selling there is the not so small issue of sell on clauses for most players and you would certainly expect such clauses to exist for Tarks and Pope, and given purchase prices on each those clauses could be as high as 20% - 25% (I don't know the actual figures). That is a hefty chunk of any profit we can make to help our finances, in a one time hit.

I have previously pointed out that bringing a player on an expensive deal is huge risky for our balance sheet and long term finances

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:20 pm

People talking about spending more on transfers need to understand that any transfer fee is usually doubled with the salary contract and agents fees. Sean likes his team to have reasonably similar wages (believing it helps squad harmony) most of our squad are on basic wages of £35k, £40k, £45k or £55k per week depending where they are in the pecking order and stage of their career (possibly only Wood and Mee at that top level). Even a 5 year deal for a £20m transfer would demolish that structure with a basic wage coming in around £70k+ per week (which is more than we pay Dyche).

In simple terms that 1 individual would cost us a little over 5% (or 1/20th) with salary and amortisation of an £150m turnover (our record turnover to date is £139m) - in case you forget we aim to have first team squad of 25, who along with the first team support staff and probably others have generous bonus clauses that boost salaries around 25% - 30% if we stay in the Premier League. There is also the small matter that we employ around 250 people overall in full time positions.

All that before other costs.

gtclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:56 am

I fear Garlicks mindset at the moment is immediate financial interest and selling will be encouraged. Don't hold your breath for replacements either. Some of you are suggesting what SD will do, I fear he will be one of those leaving, the compensation we get will go the same way as the incoming transfer fees. Garlick will look to a manager currently out of work and will get a lower wage than Dyche. Its a shame really, I think if we could keep it all together and add just 1 or 2 more we would e a very good side next year

Can you not see that Garlick is preparing the buisness for sale or a majority share takeover....

Prepping the books is important to incoming investors. Who wants Hendrick on a three year contract when he’s not going to be of the standard wanted

I suspect the player most hoping for a move is Tarkowski, so he is the one I would let move on up and bag the cash.

I think McNeill will be settled to stay another year and get regular game time.

Pope is crucial and we need to hold on to him.

According to the Burnley Express McNiel is only worth £16m and is off to Everton, Leicester or Wolves

McNeil is v much a work in progress , he’s good and improving and young but he’s hardly tearing defences apart and scoring worldies. I’d hope we’d get another season out of him and a very good one at that .