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The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:19 am
by FCBurnley
Yesterday little Burnley became the first team this season to avoid defeat at the home of the Premier League. European and World Champions......Liverpool
What’s more we did it with a severely depleted team but more importantly we did it in front of a live World wide audience of many many millions.
Yesterday Burnley won way more than one Premier League point. They won more new fans than they could ever imagine. Yesterday was potentially one of the biggest days in our illustrious clubs history.
I hope and pray that he board will realize what the team just did and will fight tooth and nail to keep our key players and support Sean Dyche with the funding he will need to take us to the next level. Yesterday was HUGE
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:27 am
by RammyClaret61
I don’t think there is a next level for us. I think for us staying at this level is the biggest challenge. Pushing to go to the “next level” is a very dangerous game, especially for a club our size. We’re on the lints now of what we can afford to pay for players, and pay players. It’s been said a lot on here, but I think it’s a true statement. “Be careful what you wish for”.
Let’s not rush, staying in the premier league is a priority, always, mid-table security is a goal, the forays into positions 10-7 upwards are the icing on our cake.
For me, Burnley FC, the board, the manager, the players are doing, and know what is required for our/their club.
Also, every game we play in this league is in front of a live worldwide audience. I think anyone who chooses to research our club, they’ll be more impressed with the way we’ve done what we’ve done. Rather than just another club with a sugar daddy who paid for everything.
Built not bought,
Slow and steady wins the race. UTC.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:47 am
by Stanbill05
The city debacle seems a long time ago now. I was embarrassed to be a Burnley fan that day. Roll on a few weeks and I couldn’t be prouder. Days that we need to cherish these.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:38 am
by Blackrod
How can you be embarrassed to be a Burnley fan because of one or two idiots ? It’s like being embarrassed to be from a town because someone has committed a crime there. The bulk of the populationi are good like the bulk of Burnley fans.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:40 am
by Blackrod
Agee about this level we are at. Think Dyche’s argument is we need investment to maintain the level we are at. I am more than happy with this level though.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:58 am
by Dyched
Built not bought? What?!?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am
by Leisure
Blackrod wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:38 am
How can you be embarrassed to be a Burnley fan because of one or two idiots ? It’s like being embarrassed to be from a town because someone has committed a crime there. The bulk of the populationi are good like the bulk of Burnley fans.
Agree 100% with the above. I can never understand people saying that they are embarrassed due to the actions of other people!
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:32 am
by IanMcL
Stanbill05 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:47 am
The city debacle seems a long time ago now. I was embarrassed to be a Burnley fan that day. Roll on a few weeks and I couldn’t be prouder. Days that we need to cherish these.
Never be embarrassed by a defeat to a team of the world's best.
They put 5 past most teams!
...ask Liverpool.
Now that is embarrassment!
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:40 am
by redwasp
I like FCBurnley's post, but I have to agree completely with what Rammy said.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:56 am
by Duffer_
Leisure wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am
Agree 100% with the above. I can never understand people saying that they are embarrassed due to the actions of other people!
By the same token then, how can you be proud due to the actions of other people? I assume you were proud of the team yesterday and have felt pride in being a Claret before.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:12 am
by Leisure
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:56 am
By the same token then, how can you be proud due to the actions of other people? I assume you were proud of the team yesterday and have felt pride in being a Claret before.
Not sure about proud but certainly pleased and happy. UTC
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:16 am
by FactualFrank
Dyched wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:58 am
Built not bought? What?!?
Means it's taken shrewd signings as opposed to just throwing money at players in the hope that it works out. No 'sugar daddy'.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:20 am
by SalisburyClaret
We have a Manager that manages as opposed to a Manager who shops
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:33 am
by Duffer_
Leisure wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:12 am
Not sure about proud but certainly pleased and happy. UTC
The entry fee for feeling pleasure or happiness is an emotional connection. It is only natural to feel displeasure, unhappiness, or even embarrassment, when things don't go so well.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:38 am
by Blackrod
Eh ? The point is if you are a Burnley you should be proud of it full stop. Other people’s individual actions that you don’t like shouldn’t affect that.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:40 am
by Duffer_
Blackrod wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:38 am
Eh ? The point is if you are a Burnley you should be proud of it full stop. Other people’s individual actions that you don’t like shouldn’t affect that.
Eh? What is it that you are proud of then, if it's not the collective impact of individual actions over a period of time?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:50 am
by houseboy
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:56 am
By the same token then, how can you be proud due to the actions of other people? I assume you were proud of the team yesterday and have felt pride in being a Claret before.
You can be proud of your club and your team and it’s performances. You need never be embarrassed by the actions of people who claim to be fans. They are NOT in the control of the club. I felt no embarrassment at all by the banner at City, it wasn’t me and it wasn’t the club.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:09 pm
by Duffer_
houseboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:50 am
You can be proud of your club and your team and it’s performances. You need never be embarrassed by the actions of people who claim to be fans. They are NOT in the control of the club. I felt no embarrassment at all by the banner at City, it wasn’t me and it wasn’t the club.
Ben Mee was embarrassed. Stanbill was embarrassed. Presumably because they regretted the association with our Club. If you care about something you can feel pain about it being damaged even if you weren't personally responsible for that damage.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:28 pm
by Leisure
houseboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:50 am
You can be proud of your club and your team and it’s performances. You need never be embarrassed by the actions of people who claim to be fans. They are NOT in the control of the club. I felt no embarrassment at all by the banner at City, it wasn’t me and it wasn’t the club.
Exactly. Why should I/anyone be embarrassed about the actions of someone who we don't even know!
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:41 pm
by Duffer_
Leisure wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:28 pm
Exactly. Why should I/anyone be embarrassed about the actions of someone who we don't even know!
That's fine Leisure but others are allowed to be. Perhaps those others felt pride at the huge number of fans we took to Wembley against Stockport, felt pride at the wall of noise at Derby, and felt pride at the town's reaction to the Orient game. If you didn't then you don't have to be embarrassed. You don't "know" the players either but that doesn't stop you finding joy in their achievements.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:55 pm
by Leisure
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:41 pm
That's fine Leisure but others are allowed to be. Perhaps those others felt pride at the huge number of fans we took to Wembley against Stockport, felt pride at the wall of noise at Derby, and felt pride at the town's reaction to the Orient game. If you didn't then you don't have to be embarrassed. You don't "know" the players either but that doesn't stop you finding joy in their achievements.
I'm not embarrassed. You OK with that?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:01 pm
by Duffer_
Leisure wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:55 pm
I'm not embarrassed. You OK with that?
Hahahaha. I thought we were having a reasonable discussion. My mistake. You carry on.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:03 pm
by Grumps
Stanbill05 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:47 am
The city debacle seems a long time ago now. I was embarrassed to be a Burnley fan that day. Roll on a few weeks and I couldn’t be prouder. Days that we need to cherish these.
I wonder how many of those fans who were so embarrassed they would never watch burnley again have sneaked a little look sincd then
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:06 pm
by Rileybobs
I was embarrassed about the banner at City, if you weren’t then that’s fine but don’t tell others how they should feel. I didn’t try to feel embarrassed it was my natural feeling.
When a several colleagues and work associates brought it up in conversation over the following days I couldn’t help but feel embarrassed to be associated in any way with the message on that banner.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:36 pm
by FCBurnley
The banner incident is history. The club dealt with it impeccably. Move on
Now to explain my thoughts on the next level. Obviously to stay in the Premier League is priority one. But instead of just having survival as the target I think we have already shown that our Manager and a fair number of our players are better than that. We are very close to being an established PL club but we are not quite there.
I am not advocating we bet the ranch, only that we support the manager and the current players by bringing in more players who can improve the squad and reduce the workload of the current players
There is only so much the human body can take. We have incredible fitness levels yet we still have at least our fair share of medium to long term injuries. Josh Brownhill has shown the quality of player we can and need to sign to move the club forward
My idea of the next level is to become an established 50/60 point per season club that can also be competitive in the Cup competitions. Anything beyond that is a bonus. Bournemouth are an example of what can happen very quickly in this league. UTC
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:37 pm
by Stalbansclaret
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:06 pm
I was embarrassed about the banner at City, if you weren’t then that’s fine but don’t tell others how they should feel. I didn’t try to feel embarrassed it was my natural feeling.
When a several colleagues and work associates brought it up in conversation over the following days I couldn’t help but feel embarrassed to be associated in any way with the message on that banner.
Exactly......that banner set me back several years with friends who had stopped mentioning the BNP being a force in Burnley . I definitely found it embarrassing, in the same way as Rileybobs. Equally I've felt immense pride in our performances since the City game...moving to a new level yesterday. Was lucky enough to be able to watch it with my partner, brother and son yesterday and we nearly shouted the bloody house down !
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:55 pm
by Leisure
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:01 pm
Hahahaha. I thought we were having a reasonable discussion. My mistake. You carry on.
We were, until you started mentioning the Derby, Wembley and Orient games and that I shouldn't be embarrassed if I didn't feel pride in those games.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:52 pm
by FCBurnley
Our result at Anfield has been mentioned in both US commentaries so far this morning.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:36 pm
by Targetman
Stanbill05 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:47 am
The city debacle seems a long time ago now. I was embarrassed to be a Burnley fan that day. Roll on a few weeks and I couldn’t be prouder. Days that we need to cherish these
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I've never been embarrassed being a Burnley fan.
Maybe at times I've not been happy with things on or off the pitch, but never embarrassed being a Claret.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:47 pm
by Duffer_
Leisure wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:55 pm
We were, until you started mentioning the Derby, Wembley and Orient games and that I shouldn't be embarrassed if I didn't feel pride in those games.
I'll have one more go just in case I've not been as clear as I had hoped. My point was that if you can take pride in the actions of "strangers" (eg our fans at Wembley, Derby & Orient), united by the common bond of supporting Burnley, then why wouldn't you feel embarrassment at the actions of those same "strangers"? I wasn't having a dig. I was trying to explain why some fans, me included, felt embarrassment from the actions of people we didn't know and had no personal responsibility for.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:54 pm
by Leisure
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:47 pm
I'll have one more go just in case I've not been as clear as I had hoped. My point was that if you can take pride in the actions of "strangers" (eg our fans at Wembley, Derby & Orient), united by the common bond of supporting Burnley, then why wouldn't you feel embarrassment at the actions of those same "strangers"? I wasn't having a dig. I was trying to explain why some fans, me included, felt embarrassment from the actions of people we didn't know and had no personal responsibility for.
Fair enough.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:01 am
by Vegas Claret
I wasn't embarrassed by the banner, I was incredibly disappointed, two completely different things.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:30 am
by FCBurnley
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:01 am
I wasn't embarrassed by the banner, I was incredibly disappointed, two completely different things.
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Disappointed as a person or as a Burnley supporter ? I thought the guy who did it was an idiot but he was nothing to do with Burnley FC. So no need to be disappointed as a Claret. Plus the club dealt with it brilliantly. If it disappointed you as a person that’s fine
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:36 am
by Vegas Claret
both, very disappointed as a human being (probably bewildered rather than disappointed), disappointed that I knew it would throw incorrect assumptions on our great club and embarrassed for the media in the way that they chose to predictably handle it the way they did.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:59 pm
by houseboy
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:09 pm
Ben Mee was embarrassed. Stanbill was embarrassed. Presumably because they regretted the association with our Club. If you care about something you can feel pain about it being damaged even if you weren't personally responsible for that damage.
But it’s nothing to be ashamed of. You cannot be ashamed of something completely out of your control.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:48 pm
by boyyanno
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:06 pm
I was embarrassed about the banner at City, if you weren’t then that’s fine but don’t tell others how they should feel. I didn’t try to feel embarrassed it was my natural feeling.
When a several colleagues and work associates brought it up in conversation over the following days I couldn’t help but feel embarrassed to be associated in any way with the message on that banner.
Completely agree.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:35 am
by Duffer_
houseboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:59 pm
But it’s nothing to be ashamed of. You cannot be ashamed of something completely out of your control.
I think we're at the risk of straying into semantics but I said I was embarrassed, not ashamed.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:04 am
by houseboy
Duffer_ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:35 am
I think we're at the risk of straying into semantics but I said I was embarrassed, not ashamed.
Sorry bud, I meant embarrassed. I could be accused of cynicism here I think but after the banner incident this board was full of people instantly condemning it and saying how they felt so embarrassed etc., but I couldn’t help thinking that many (most?) were doing so out of a feeling of being seen to condemn it, because not to do so would somehow make them complicit.
Either way each to his own. Sorry again about the mix up of wording, my mistake.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:29 am
by Rileybobs
houseboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:04 am
Sorry bud, I meant embarrassed. I could be accused of cynicism here I think but after the banner incident this board was full of people instantly condemning it and saying how they felt so embarrassed etc., but I couldn’t help thinking that many (most?) were doing so out of a feeling of being seen to condemn it, because not to do so would somehow make them complicit.
Either way each to his own. Sorry again about the mix up of wording, my mistake.
That's not true though. As someone has pointed out above, if you can be proud of your football team and fellow supporters you can by the same notion be embarrassed by them.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:57 pm
by houseboy
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:29 am
That's not true though. As someone has pointed out above, if you can be proud of your football team and fellow supporters you can by the same notion be embarrassed by them.
You are entitled to your opinion bud. I just don’t agree.
I would be embarrassed by a performance maybe or something done by the club but never by so called fans.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:03 pm
by KateR
I certainly wasn't embarrassed, upset, aggrieved yes but not at BFC, the players
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:10 pm
by martin_p
Grumps wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:03 pm
I wonder how many of those fans who were so embarrassed they would never watch burnley again have sneaked a little look sincd then
Probably the same number that actually said that, I.e. zero.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:21 pm
by Grumps
martin_p wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:10 pm
Probably the same number that actually said that, I.e. zero.
Yes there was.......
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:25 pm
by Leisure
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:29 am
That's not true though. As someone has pointed out above, if you can be proud of your football team and fellow supporters you can by the same notion be embarrassed by them.
So how would you, or anyone else, know that you're embarrassed rather than say disappointed?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:32 pm
by Rileybobs
Leisure wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:25 pm
So how would you, or anyone else, know that you're embarrassed rather than say disappointed?
Because I know the difference between feeling embarrassed and disappointed.
When I spoke to various work associates over the following days and they made comments and jokes about the banner I felt embarrassed to be associated with it. Some of these people don’t usually engage in football chat with me so the fact that they associate me with this incident was embarrassing.
Weird how people are telling me how I did or didn’t feel.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:35 pm
by Leisure
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:32 pm
Because I know the difference between feeling embarrassed and disappointed.
When I spoke to various work associates over the following days and they made comments and jokes about the banner I felt embarrassed to be associated with it. Some of these people don’t usually engage in football chat with me so the fact that they associate me with this incident was embarrassing.
Weird how people are telling me how I did or didn’t feel.
Who's telling you how you should feel? Just asking for clarity between embarrassed and disappointed?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:37 pm
by Rileybobs
Leisure wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:35 pm
Who's telling you how you should feel? Just asking for clarity between embarrassed and disappointed?
Houseboy for one doesn’t agree that I felt embarrassed.
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:40 pm
by Leisure
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:37 pm
Houseboy for one doesn’t agree that I felt embarrassed.
Maybe he thought that you were just disappointed?
Re: The World now knows exactly who we are
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:58 am
by Stanbill05
LOL, I work with African Americans outside of the UK and have long told everybody and anybody everything about Burnley FC - to the point it is a standing joke. When that **** hit the world news, it was definitely embarrassing.
