young at 23, we desperately need a excellent right full back who is also very good going forward. A signing that would strength the team and one that will go straight into the team. If teams like Sheff Utd and Villa are sniffing round surely we should be throwing our hand in ?

s6t9a2f3f wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:12 pm

young at 23, we desperately need a excellent right full back who is also very good going forward. A signing that would strength the team and one that will go straight into the team. If teams like Sheff Utd and Villa are sniffing round surely we should be throwing our hand in ?

Why? On your say so?

On Sheffield United and Villa’s say so.

Villa particularly are very good at spotting gems based on last season...

£15m for a championship full back sounds mental to me.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:13 pm

Why? On your say so?

Might be wrong but i think he explained this in OP. "Excellent right full back", strengthen the team etc. I think he thinks he's a good player which is his opinion.

Unecessary snark.

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:15 pm

On Sheffield United and Villa’s say so.

Villa particularly are very good at spotting gems based on last season...

£15m for a championship full back sounds mental to me.

Don’t know much about him but I don’t think he’s always played at full back has he? In terms of Villa’s gems, they have sacked the recruitment bloke.

We were in for him. Forest wanted too much. We offered Gibson as part of the deal but unfortunately Gibson declined the option. We’re putting RB on hold till the next window.

nyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:25 pm

We were in for him. Forest wanted too much. We offered Gibson as part of the deal but unfortunately Gibson declined the option. We’re putting RB on hold till the next window.

I was told there was no interest in Cash but we were trying to get Worrall with potentially Gibson going the other way. Suggestions were that we backed out because of Forest’s valuation of Worrall.

nyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:25 pm

We were in for him. Forest wanted too much. We offered Gibson as part of the deal but unfortunately Gibson declined the option. We’re putting RB on hold till the next window.

I cant see us getting a right back when next window opens prices will be crazy maybe next season

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:28 pm

I was told there was no interest in Cash but we were trying to get Worrall with potentially Gibson going the other way. Suggestions were that we backed out because of Forest’s valuation of Worrall.

I could have them mixed up then.

nyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:30 pm

I could have them mixed up then.

Just what I was told. To be honest I’ve seen little of either of them.

I can see some logic on the right back situation given we have Bardsley & Lowton but with Gibson out of the picture I would think a central defender is a priority. Mind you, I thought that in 2017 when Keane left but it didn’t happen.

Going to Villa for £12m according to the Telegraph, so too late even if we were in for him.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:23 pm

In terms of Villa’s gems, they have sacked the recruitment bloke.

In fairness, I was taking the Mick.

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:49 pm

In fairness, I was taking the Mick.

Sarcasm doesn't translate easily on a messageboard. Was just about to fire a comment in until I saw the above

Why would we need 3 rightbacks..

Sheedyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:48 pm

Why would we need 3 rightbacks..

We don't but there's been talk of Lowton moving on, on balance I wouldn't say rightback is a priority area this summer, we need bodies elsewhere more urgently than in that role, assuming both Bards and Lowts stay put.

Never heard of him.

Stevie Morgan wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:21 pm

Might be wrong but i think he explained this in OP. "Excellent right full back", strengthen the team etc. I think he thinks he's a good player which is his opinion.

Unecessary snark.

The usual though.

Think someone woke up on the wrong side of bed today.

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:25 pm

The usual though.

Think someone woke up on the wrong side of bed today.

From what I've seen lately, he's not had a right side for weeks now.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:29 pm

From what I've seen lately, he's not had a right side for weeks now.

I’m leaving it at that.

why would we spend 15 million on someone when we can get a freebie 16 year old from Carhsalton Athletic or the like ?

Right back is not an immediate concern. £10-£15 million for a player who would, in all likelihood; be 'one for the future' like Tarks was initially. Seems steep. Especially when we need a centre half far more.
Yes we do need to lower the age of the RB position but not when we have other positions that are more of a priority and definitely not at the prices mentioned in the OP when he's far from the finished article.

BenWickes wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:52 am

Right back is not an immediate concern. £10-£15 million for a player who would, in all likelihood; be 'one for the future' like Tarks was initially. Seems steep. Especially when we need a centre half far more.
Yes we do need to lower the age of the RB position but not when we have other positions that are more of a priority and definitely not at the prices mentioned in the OP when he's far from the finished article.

The way we are set up to play we’ve needed a better right back for ages.

We simply cannot afford these big money buys. With the finances available we need to be looking at developing the potential of solid bottom end championship and league one players.

Without investment this is where we are at. A painful reality.

Bfcboyo wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:27 am

We simply cannot afford these big money buys. With the finances available we need to be looking at developing the potential of solid bottom end championship and league one players.

Without investment this is where we are at. A painful reality.

We’ve got to hope the academy we are paying a fortune for starts to bare fruit. One player in 10 years isnt acceptable anymore.

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:30 am

We’ve got to hope the academy we are paying a fortune for starts to bare fruit. One player in 10 years isnt acceptable anymore.

One player in ten years will see us back in the championship. I'm behind the board they have to be so careful because you never know when the prem will spit you out and you wouldn't want players on huge wages etc . On the other hand if we lost Dyche I don't think anybody could take over and keep working the miracles he does , I feel his frustrations wanting a bit of trust he has proven himself ample times. With the covid situation and revenues unclear I honestly don't think we will sign anybody as overwhelming as Erik Pieters this window.

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:08 am

The way we are set up to play we’ve needed a better right back for ages.

Not disagreeing that we've needed a right sided Charlie Taylor type. Don't think Cash is that, at least not at that price with our finances. We need a CB as a priority in defence. Ideally of course we'd strengthen every position with upgrades but that isn't going to happen with the current finances. I don't see Cash as a player we could just parachute into position and off he goes. He's at best a rough diamond who'd need to bide his time.

Must say I've thought Cash a good player at Championship level who could possibly make the step up and the rumoured £12m seems a fair price. However it's not a priority. For me we need a more creative type player in midfield. That's on the assumption that we don't sell anyone. I think McNeil is very capable in that role. However it could affect the balance, and are Brady or JBG, who I would suspect would cover his role, going to remain fit.

Matty Cash looks worth a punt at £15m
This is the season for bargains
Matt Lowton seems to have lost his way a little and was injured
We dont trust any u23 to step up
We dont need a cb we have Kev Long
We do need a pact winger who can beat men for fun and cross the ball.But as I said previously due to lack of funds post Covid19 we can't sign anyone that costs us anything,we are skint

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:31 am

We dont need a cb we have Kev Long

Okay. So we lose Tarks for two/three months and Long comes in. What happens if we lose Mee in the next game for a few weeks/months? You're suggesting we'd be okay with a central pairing of Long and Dunne?

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:30 am

We’ve got to hope the academy we are paying a fortune for starts to bare fruit. One player in 10 years isnt acceptable anymore.

The stupidity and ignorance of a comment like this cannot be ignored.

We’ve only just got Cat one status you plank.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:31 am

Matty Cash looks worth a punt at £15m
This is the season for bargains
Matt Lowton seems to have lost his way a little and was injured
We dont trust any u23 to step up
We dont need a cb we have Kev Long
We do need a pact winger who can beat men for fun and cross the ball.But as I said previously due to lack of funds post Covid19 we can't sign anyone that costs us anything,we are skint

I generally hate loans (bit small time for a Club that finished 10th in the PL) but would not object to our 4th CB cover being provided by a loanee this year, if we could find a club willing to loan/player willing to join under such circumstances, because I agree it’s not a priority where finances are restricted. Thought Long did very well and think I read Pieters can cover CB at a push?

Also agree a creative midfielder is a priority, and RW cover for JBG. Buendia would be a preference, but Eliasson a more realistic option. He’s out of contract next year and Bristol fans think he’d be available for £3m, so seems a no brained.

At RB I’m surprised nobody has taken Clyne on a free although not sure how his loan at Bournemouth went.

Daily Telegraph (according to Gossip page on BBC Sport) have Cash going to Villa for £12 million

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:03 am

I generally hate loans (bit small time for a Club that finished 10th in the PL) but would not object to our 4th CB cover being provided by a loanee this year, if we could find a club willing to loan/player willing to join under such circumstances, because I agree it’s not a priority where finances are restricted. Thought Long did very well and think I read Pieters can cover CB at a push?

Also agree a creative midfielder is a priority, and RW cover for JBG. Buendia would be a preference, but Eliasson a more realistic option. He’s out of contract next year and Bristol fans think he’d be available for £3m, so seems a no brained.

At RB I’m surprised nobody has taken Clyne on a free although not sure how his loan at Bournemouth went.

Nobody is going to loan us a decent quality player as back up. The problem with your reasoning is again. Assume we play Pieters or Taylor as a makeshift CH and the other picks up an injury. We're left with no cover at LB then. We need another CB along with a right sided midfielder/winger. They have to be the priorities. Another central midfielder would be a bonus.

Lets work on we are not signing anybody and if we spend 5m it's a bonus.

We can all have a happy window then.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:03 am

I generally hate loans (bit small time for a Club that finished 10th in the PL) but would not object to our 4th CB cover being provided by a loanee this year, if we could find a club willing to loan/player willing to join under such circumstances, because I agree it’s not a priority where finances are restricted. Thought Long did very well and think I read Pieters can cover CB at a push?

Also agree a creative midfielder is a priority, and RW cover for JBG. Buendia would be a preference, but Eliasson a more realistic option. He’s out of contract next year and Bristol fans think he’d be available for £3m, so seems a no brained.

At RB I’m surprised nobody has taken Clyne on a free although not sure how his loan at Bournemouth went.

I'm not convinced about a loanee CB, it's such a crucial position, we need to somehow get rid of that plonker Gibson, and hopefully that will free up funds, and space in the squad for an incomer, Long can cover for a game or two at a push, but I'd be worried if we had to rely on him for a long period.

If Eliasson is available at a cut price fee I'm amazed we haven't gone seeking for his signature, surely the Brownhill connection could work to our benefit in convincing him that we're a decent club to further his career.

I think we would all like a creative midfielder, but players in that mould don't come cheap alas, we could certainly do with cover for Brady/JBG their respective injury records don't inspire confidence that they'll play a major amount of games next season.

I guess the reason nobody has gone in for Clyne is partly his lack of games in recent years.

Its not that easy finding a back up centre half for us. We need someone who is comfortable to step in and play at Premier league level, but also happy to potentially not play all year. Good players want to play, hence the Gibson situation.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:02 pm

I'm not convinced about a loanee CB, it's such a crucial position, we need to somehow get rid of that plonker Gibson, and hopefully that will free up funds, and space in the squad for an incomer, Long can cover for a game or two at a push, but I'd be worried if we had to rely on him for a long period.

If Eliasson is available at a cut price fee I'm amazed we haven't gone seeking for his signature, surely the Brownhill connection could work to our benefit in convincing him that we're a decent club to further his career.

I think we would all like a creative midfielder, but players in that mould don't come cheap alas, we could certainly do with cover for Brady/JBG their respective injury records don't inspire confidence that they'll play a major amount of games next season.

I guess the reason nobody has gone in for Clyne is partly his lack of games in recent years.

Re: CB - agree we shouldn’t be relying on one, just if you look at the situation we have got ourselves in, there are so many positions that need filling and not enough money to fill them (excluding a big sale, which I’m hoping won’t happen). I personally think Long proved himself to be a very capable understudy during restart. Assume we want a left sided CB otherwise my preference would be Dawson, but doubt Watford would let him go cheaply as he’s on a 4 year deal.

Understand the arguments to prioritise CB but equally you look at central midfield and one injury and we have no cover. Preference would be to add there, hope Mee/Tarks/Long can make it through to Jan, then look again.

Re: Eliasson, for me it’s an absolute no brainer & I’m amazed we’ve not made a move given he’s right in our price bracket (very cheap). Not played consistently at Bristol because he’s a true winger and they play 3-5-2 but at one point was leading the Championship assists (not sure if it finished that way). Can whip in great crosses and with our forwards think that could be a perfect match. Even if his all round play wasn’t up to scratch, for a few £m it wouldn’t hurt to have him on the bench to bring on with 20 minutes to go when you need to nick a goal.

Bright Osayi-Samuel is also available at £4.7m. Like him less because he seems to hold on to the ball and think that may not be less effective against better defenders. Also seems more left-sided, but assuming Dwight will be off in the next year or so, could do worse than line up a potential replacement now.

Clyne - not an avid watcher of Liverpool but from what I recall he was a very steady, reliable player. Not sure he offers more than we already have, but wouldn’t be against a pay as you play deal if available.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:49 pm

Its not that easy finding a back up centre half for us. We need someone who is comfortable to step in and play at Premier league level, but also happy to potentially not play all year. Good players want to play, hence the Gibson situation.

Basically the problem in a nutshell!

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:49 pm

Its not that easy finding a back up centre half for us. We need someone who is comfortable to step in and play at Premier league level, but also happy to potentially not play all year. Good players want to play, hence the Gibson situation.

Yes this is the problem with the Mee/Tarks partnership being so successful over a long period of time, there's not many players that will be happy to play 2nd fiddle, Kev Long is almost unique in that respect.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:39 am

The stupidity and ignorance of a comment like this cannot be ignored.

We’ve only just got Cat one status you plank.

The stupidity of your post can’t be ignored I’m afraid.

So Cash is going and not from within the 10 to 15 million mentioned in this thread title. It's slightly north of that and to Villa.

Although there was a link with him, I'm told we were never in for him at all.

What we should do is keep throwing out these rumours - let Villa then sign them - and finish with us going for players we really do what.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:48 pm

So Cash is going and not from within the 10 to 15 million mentioned in this thread title. It's slightly north of that and to Villa.

Although there was a link with him, I'm told we were never in for him at all.

14m + add on's

Daniel Taylor is usually spot on with Forest news, he’s saying £14m potentially rising to £16m

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:16 pm

Daniel Taylor is usually spot on with Forest news, he’s saying £14m potentially rising to £16m

Just within. I hadn't seen anything from Daniel Taylor but if he says it is that, then it will be absolutely spot on with Forest.

Darthlaw wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:15 pm

...Villa particularly are very good at spotting gems based on last season...

True enough, they stole that diamond Danny Drinkwater from right under our noses.

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:19 pm

True enough, they stole that diamond Danny Drinkwater from right under our noses.

Best signing of the season (for us, oddly enough) and was very nearly their undoing.

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:19 pm

True enough, they stole that diamond Danny Drinkwater from right under our noses.

Thought this lad would have been perfect for our right back slot long term - shame as a cracking player

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:31 pm

The stupidity of your post can’t be ignored I’m afraid.

It took you days to come up with that retort? Must be a barrel of laughs round your house with a 3-5 working day turnaround for witty banter