• Pickford in goal for England

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:34 pm**

I got it wrong, I was sure Pope would play but it's Pickford

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:35 pm**

Team is

Pickford
Walker
Trippier
Rice
Gomez
Dier
Sterling
Ward-Prowse
Sancho
Kane
Foden

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:36 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:34 pm
I got it wrong, I was sure Pope would play but it's Pickford

Well you weren't the only one to get it wrong. That's disgusting after Ancelotti publicly warned him his performances had to improve.

I hope he has a nightmare.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:37 pm**

Southgate is totally clueless. Nick is the best English goalkeeper in the Premier league yet
Southgate is to dumb to realise this

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:37 pm**

Well there’s my reason not to bother watching then

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:39 pm**

Thanks CT, you've also saved me the bother of watching.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:39 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:36 pm
Well you weren't the only one to get it wrong. That's disgusting after Ancelotti publicly warned him his performances had to improve.

I really thought he was going to play this week and then the national press jumped on it leaving me all but certain. When the team was announced I was ready to post the good news and then Pickford in that line up. The one consolation is there's no Mings but is he really going to play Tripps at left back with Gomez & Dier in the centre of defence?

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:41 pm**

I wasn't sure, I was certainly hoping and felt there was a good chance, but in the end it is somehow not a surprise. Makes you think about how is he thinking, what is his strategy, NP must be wondering what he has to do to get past Pickford give the season long performances we have all seen.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm**

Who are our centre backs and what formation will we be using?

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:44 pm**

Is Pope on the bench, or has he gone for Henderson?

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:44 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:39 pm
I really thought he was going to play this week and then the national press jumped on it leaving me all but certain. When the team was announced I was ready to post the good news and then Pickford in that line up. The one consolation is there's no Mings but is he really going to play Tripps at left back with Gomez & Dier in the centre of defence?

Why the hell does Sarfgate bother watching so many of our games if he's going to pick Pickford and Mings ahead of Pope and Tarky?

Can't fathom that at all.

I hope Pickford has a stinker.

As for Tripps at LB? The mind boggles.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:44 pm**

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:44 pm
Is Pope on the bench, or has he gone for Henderson?

Always have the full squad on the bench so both there

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:45 pm**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
Who are our centre backs and what formation will we be using?

I thought 3 at the back with Dier anchoring when I saw the lineup but it's anybody's guess.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:45 pm**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
Who are our centre backs and what formation will we be using?

First thought was a back four of Walker - Gomez - Dier - Trippier but to be honest, I'm not sure how on earth he's going to sort that eleven into a formation.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:47 pm**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
Who are our centre backs and what formation will we be using?

Southgate has opted for the 'Dogs chasing a balloon' formation.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:47 pm**

Anyway, it's only Iceland...

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:48 pm**

Being an England fan:

Expecting different results from an organisation which does the same thing again and again.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:49 pm**

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:47 pm
Anyway, it's only Iceland...

Seem to have heard that before Frank, but this time we'll probably be OK because half their first choice players haven't turned up including JBG.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:49 pm**

Ridiculous decision. When Southgate first came in he seemed very keen to pick players who were deserved of their place regardless of their name and club. I've backed him because he seemed to attract a lot of criticism despite England going for so long without a game. But this is sending out a message to some of England's fringe players that they may as well not bother. Pope is basically wasting his time training with England as it's clear that Pickford has the number 1 jersey regardless.

To add to Nick's disappointment will be that he started England's last game, so Southgate can't even fall back on him sticking with his previous line up.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:51 pm**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:43 pm
Who are our centre backs and what formation will we be using?

This is how Sky have them lined up

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:52 pm**

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:37 pm
Well there’s my reason not to bother watching then

Same here, only time I'll watch England is if one of ours is playing or when Southgate gets the boot.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:56 pm**

still 100% Southgate out

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:57 pm**

There was a statistic in the Times mid week that showed how many points each Premier league keeper had saved their team last season.
Henderson was either top or near the top with around 8 points. Pope was minus 3 points. Clearly from this stat, the defence is what makes Pope look good.

Granted he is good on crosses, but how many crosses do you get in international football...

My view is he goes for far too many shots with his feet, he isn't vocal enough, his kicking is poor, he is not comfortable with the ball at his feet and some of the shots he lets in leave me with the feeling that he should have done better for a keeper rated as Premier league class.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:58 pm**

Aclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:52 pm
Same here, only time I'll watch England is if one of ours is playing or when Southgate gets the boot.

let’s hope you’re tuning in very soon!

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm**

That has to be the worst English XI since the Carlton Palmer era.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:02 pm**

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:51 pm
This is how Sky have them lined up

Charlie Taylor must be wondering why he hasn't got a call as left back, unbelievable.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:03 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm
That has to be the worst English XI since the Carlton Palmer era.

I think there's five players in there who aren't necessarily of the required standard you'd hope for from an England player.

And there's another who I think is good enough but who is being played completely out of position.

In that respect in reminds me of when Andy Sinton played left-back for England, a position he had never played in his life. For club, youths or juniors.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:03 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm
That has to be the worst English XI since the Carlton Palmer era.

It's pretty good in attack - Foden Sterling Sancho.Kane.

The defence is just a messed up jigaw + Pickford.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:03 pm**

Unbelievable he's not playing.
Southgate is a pillock.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:03 pm**

Siddo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:57 pm
There was a statistic in the Times mid week that showed how many points each Premier league keeper had saved their team last season.
Henderson was either top or near the top with around 8 points. Pope was minus 3 points. Clearly from this stat, the defence is what makes Pope look good.

Granted he is good on crosses, but how many crosses do you get in international football...

My view is he goes for far too many shots with his feet, he isn't vocal enough, his kicking is poor, he is not comfortable with the ball at his feet and some of the shots he lets in leave me with the feeling that he should have done better for a keeper rated as Premier league class.

Saw a similar set of stats and Pope came out top

His kicking style is deliberately coached By the management and is a key way of how we play - it’s not poor kicking, it’s done deliberately to affect the tempo of the game

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:07 pm**

Siddo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:57 pm
There was a statistic in the Times mid week that showed how many points each Premier league keeper had saved their team last season.
Henderson was either top or near the top with around 8 points. Pope was minus 3 points. Clearly from this stat, the defence is what makes Pope look good.

Granted he is good on crosses, but how many crosses do you get in international football...

My view is he goes for far too many shots with his feet, he isn't vocal enough, his kicking is poor, he is not comfortable with the ball at his feet and some of the shots he lets in leave me with the feeling that he should have done better for a keeper rated as Premier league class.

Are you Southgate in disguise?

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:07 pm**

Siddo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:57 pm
There was a statistic in the Times mid week that showed how many points each Premier league keeper had saved their team last season.
Henderson was either top or near the top with around 8 points. Pope was minus 3 points. Clearly from this stat, the defence is what makes Pope look good.

Granted he is good on crosses, but how many crosses do you get in international football...

My view is he goes for far too many shots with his feet, he isn't vocal enough, his kicking is poor, he is not comfortable with the ball at his feet and some of the shots he lets in leave me with the feeling that he should have done better for a keeper rated as Premier league class.

Are you talking about Pickford??

Not sure you're on about Pope.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:09 pm**

Absolute joke Southgate. Even Everton fans have been calling Pickford this season, not just for his performances, but becasue he's a little prick

Well that's opened up 2 hours free for me tonight then.

Also, Dier, Rice, and Gomez should be nowhere near the team. England not been worth watching since the 90s

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:11 pm**

Lineup... and formation from team sheet

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Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:11 pm**

Come on Iceland!

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:11 pm**

Southgate out - he only brings comic value to the role

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:11 pm**

As a Burnley fan it's disappointing Pope isn't playing. As an England fan it's absolutely shocking and infuriating that Pickford is.

And the back four is absolutely bizarre.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:12 pm**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:37 pm
Southgate is totally clueless. Nick is the best English goalkeeper in the Premier league yet
Southgate is to dumb to realise this

Southgate is way out of his depth.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:12 pm**

Southgate must be fearing for his job... not picking our players because he knows Dyche will succeed him - that can be the only explanation for it...

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:13 pm**

Pickford in goal, Dier and Gomez centre backs and Trippier, I assume, at left back, what a load of crap! I've never said this in my life before but it wouldn't bother me if England get beat by a few goals. Southgate could then make his excuse that it's a young team, which is still work in progress. That's got be one of the worst defences every to wear England shirts. I was going to go out to my local sports bar to watch it, don't think I can be @rsed now.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:15 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:00 pm
That has to be the worst English XI since the Carlton Palmer era.

Geoff Thomas and Andy Sinton would be a shoe in

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Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:15 pm**

Just three out of the back five playing out of position.

Anyway, I'm sure we'll romp to victory but Southgate has plummeted down in my estimations. That line up sends a statement that the fringe goalkeepers and defenders are not required.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 pm**

I see on the BBC where they offered readers to pick the 11 to start, the results have shown Henderson in Goal, and Pickford got only 9% of the votes from the public that entered the 11 they thought should be playing. Southgate definitely in a minority on this GK selection

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:20 pm**

KateR wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 pm
I see on the BBC where they offered readers to pick the 11 to start, the results have shown Henderson in Goal, and Pickford got only 9% of the votes from the public that entered the 11 they thought should be playing. Southgate definitely in a minority on this GK selection

BBC polls for football are a popularity contest for the big clubs - of course Henderson got the vote because he’s a Man Utd player

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:23 pm**

Looking at the squad we don't have a natural left back or left wing back

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:23 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:07 pm
Are you Southgate in disguise?

No, just stating my opinion on Pope and trying to give reasons why Southgate is still choosing Pickford over Pope.

Too many on here rave about Pope and I'm not quite sure why.
The stat isn't mine, it was in the Times this week.

I have posted before that when Southgate saw Pope during training he was less than impressed, also in the Times.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:24 pm**

I'm sorry, I'm an England fan, but that line up needs to lose. Utterly ridiculous.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:33 pm**

He’s not great at this management lark is he.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:34 pm**

It's a good job England have plenty of firepower in attack, because I wouldn't bank your mortgage on that defence keeping a clean sheet, Dier and Rice as cb's FFS, when he's got Coady and Keane on the bench, I can just about understand Pope not starting, but to not even replace Pick the ball out of the net, with Henderson is mind-blowing.

Square pegs in round holes comes to mind, it didn't work before for England, and it won't work this time either, now due to the fact it's Iceland, and a vastly understrength Iceland, he might just get away with it tonight, but if that team and formation line up in the Denmark match, England will get gubbed.

Posted: **Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:35 pm**

I liked Southgate at first for letting players play regardless of which club they was at but his decisions since the World Cup have become more and more strange.
He didn't pick a left back is he really saying for example Charlie Taylor, Brandon Williams or even Luke Shaw couldnt fill in against Iceland better than Trippier?
Dier an Mings being selected in a squad is itself awful let alone Dier starting.
Hate to say it but I hope we lose a few in a row so there's a change but not much would change regardless of manager because the emphasis from the FA is to pick a squad on shirt sales not success

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