Pretty damming accusations about the EU and the threats they have been making. Will the EU respond and refute those accusations?

No need for EU to respond. In this morning’s report from the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee, the Government stated “The Government is extremely confident that the EU is working in good faith”. Johnson hot air purely to fuel culture wars.

Deeply disappointed this wasn't about a fellatio fetish on the continent....

They’ll all be lies. BoJo wouldn’t recognise the truth if it smacked him in the mouth.

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:12 pm

They’ll all be lies. BoJo wouldn’t recognise the truth if it smacked him in the mouth.

BoJo??

Is that another Americanism?

Absolutely mind-boggling that people take what the EU say as gospel.

Murger wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Absolutely mind-boggling that people take what the EU say as gospel.

Not as mind boggling as believing anything Boris says.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm

BoJo??

Is that another Americanism?

You aren't impressed, I can tell

Murger wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Absolutely mind-boggling that people take what the EU say as gospel.

The U.K. government said the EU are acting in good faith.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:14 pm

BoJo??

Is that another Americanism?

I prefer falstaffian buffoon but BoJo is quite catchy. But probably lying, cheating Cnut is most accurate.

Corky wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:22 pm

I prefer falstaffian buffoon but BoJo is quite catchy. But probably lying, cheating Cnut is most accurate.

Never mind eh, only another 4+ years to go

Oh the joy of political threads on here

AndrewJB wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:21 pm

The U.K. government said the EU are acting in good faith.

You can't just believe the UK Government when it suits Andrew.

Murger wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:15 pm

Absolutely mind-boggling that people take what the EU say as gospel.

This. I love a brew...but how many mugs do you need in one cupboard?

ants_g wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:41 pm

This. I love a brew...but how many mugs do you need in one cupboard?

None, we’ve currently got a cabinet full of them

In the last 12 months, the two major English speaking democracies have had the choice of a priapic, congenital liar and a terrorist sympathising lefty nut-job for Prime Minister in the case of Britain, whilst our American cousins will have the choice of a vain, megalomaniac Reality TV star or a bumbling senile Washington swamp dweller who's calling for " Nurse " every 10 minutes .....

It's not exactly edifying, is it ?

Clarets4me wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:03 pm

a terrorist sympathising lefty nut-job for Prime Minister in the case of Britain, whilst our American cousins will have the choice of a vain, megalomaniac Reality TV star or a bumbling senile Washington swamp dweller who's calling for " Nurse " every 10 minutes .....

It's not exactly edifying, is it ?

And yet Boris promoted someone to the House of Lords who not only said the IRA were right to execute children but also wants to legalise child abuse.

What does that say about the current leader?

Ed Milliband has been able to destroy every one of Johnson’s arguments and he can’t even eat a bacon butty without looking foolish.

Hmm, I think the only evisceration that happened there was Ed Miliband with Johnson.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:33 pm

Never mind eh, only another 4+ years to go
Oh the joy of political threads on here

Do you actually think this twunt will be tory leader by the next election?

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:06 pm

And yet Boris promoted someone to the House of Lords who not only said the IRA were right to execute children but also wants to legalise child abuse.

What does that say about the current leader?

He's a hypocrite, but what's new with Johnson, if you tow the hard brexit line, you can get away with anything in this government.

Thankfully the Labour party now have a sensible leader in charge, and they're finally providing a functioning opposition.

Ed Miliband gave his best ever speech today, and his words were damning towards this government. how can we legitimately call out the likes of China & Russia for breaking international law, when we're doing exactly the same.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:33 pm

Never mind eh, only another 4+ years to go

Oh the joy of political threads on here

You honestly think he'll last that long?

Ooh goody goody!!!! Another political thread

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm

You can't just believe the UK Government when it suits Andrew.

It’s safe. It was a government department, not Johnson.

Look at it. Johnson signs an agreement, and then reneges on it. He and the media blame the EU. In an honest world, the first question would be; “why did you sign it?” - but his incompetence or duplicity Is not being questioned. He’s being given a free ride. It has nothing to do with party politics either. If the Green Party were in power, and this happened I’d be equally appalled, and not fobbed off by the pathetic excuses I see made for Johnson now. Our whole democratic system is called into question when the press lets a government off the hook like this. He hasn’t shown an ounce of contrition. And when failure carries no consequences you can be certain more things like this will happen.

Bojo the the clown , hummm sounds better .

Tribesmen wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:25 pm

Bojo the the clown

Now that could definitely catch on.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:28 pm

Now that could definitely catch on.

https://youtu.be/4QN7kmOhBMw

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:40 pm

how can we legitimately call out the likes of China & Russia for breaking international law, when we're doing exactly the same.

Because it’s quite clearly not the same. Should the international community be “calling out”
Canada for their deliberate premeditated decision to flout International Law and legalise Cannabis in direct contravention of a number of anti drug treaties?

Clarets4me wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:03 pm

In the last 12 months, the two major English speaking democracies have had the choice of a priapic, congenital liar and a terrorist sympathising lefty nut-job for Prime Minister in the case of Britain, whilst our American cousins will have the choice of a vain, megalomaniac Reality TV star or a bumbling senile Washington swamp dweller who's calling for " Nurse " every 10 minutes .....

It's not exactly edifying, is it ?

As bad as the two incumbents are, and they really, really are appallingly bad ( along withh the uninspiring alternatives), it's sadly as much the responsibility of our two population's that anyone like either of these two even had a sniff at getting the power of their office.

I have a theory that the opening poster was playing Scrabble and just wanted to clarify his word on here in a sentence. Half got it and half were looking in their dictionaries what it meant and then! Some other smart Alec decided to throw in Priapic, Congenital and Edifying and all hell broke loose!

David Cameron:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Theresa May:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Boris Johnson:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."

We have had a decade of chaos with the Tories.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:08 pm

David Cameron:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Theresa May:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Boris Johnson:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."

We have had a decade of chaos with the Tories.

To be fair though, Ed Milliband was really bad at eating a bacon sandwich.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:08 pm

David Cameron:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Theresa May:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Boris Johnson:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."

We have had a decade of chaos with the Tories.

Yeah but....

We have avoided a decade of chaos under Labour

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:19 pm

Yeah but....

We have avoided a decade of chaos under Labour

I should be careful not to set them off again. There's already a self help thread on the front page where people can comfort each other and justify why they were stupid enough to vote for the current clown in charge.

Fingers crossed there wont come on here with their self delusions

AndrewJB wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:21 pm

It’s safe. It was a government department, not Johnson.

Look at it. Johnson signs an agreement, and then reneges on it. He and the media blame the EU. In an honest world, the first question would be; “why did you sign it?” - but his incompetence or duplicity Is not being questioned. He’s being given a free ride. It has nothing to do with party politics either. If the Green Party were in power, and this happened I’d be equally appalled, and not fobbed off by the pathetic excuses I see made for Johnson now. Our whole democratic system is called into question when the press lets a government off the hook like this. He hasn’t shown an ounce of contrition. And when failure carries no consequences you can be certain more things like this will happen.

Don’t talk utter bullocks. It’s got EVERYTHING to do with party politics... if it didnt, you wouldn’t be here. You only EVER commentate on threads with a political nature.

And he’s NOT being given a free ride over this, he’s being absolutely chastised and ridden like a bitch over it in all the media. You simply choose to ignore that because it suits your narrative.
You do realise no one takes you seriously anymore don’t you? Why don’t they? Because you ignore what’s right in front of you. And you hide yourself behind your weak and pathetic political argument.
The press haven’t let him off with it, they have ridden him all over the place, and rightly so. He’s reneged on a deal, and in doing so he has ridiculed not just himself, but all of us.
You really are a product of a generation that no longer exists. You are a figment of your own imagination. You are hanging onto something that may well exist (a poor, weak and dishonourable government) but you live in the hope that if the vote had gone the other way, it would all have been different. Slightly? Maybe, but the three adjectives I chose would still be relevant..... and you know it.

And don’t ffs talk about governments with no honour... Blair will ALWAYS be the Most dishonourable PM this country has ever seen... and he’s yours. Own it.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:08 pm

David Cameron:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Theresa May:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Boris Johnson:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."

We have had a decade of chaos with the Tories.

Yes we should have definitely elected Jeremy Corbyn

You tell him Bob

Bigvince wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:59 pm

Yes we should have definitely elected Jeremy Corbyn

Here you go mate >>>>>>> https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... =2&t=49603

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:08 pm

David Cameron:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Theresa May:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."
(causes utter chaos)

Boris Johnson:
"Vote for me or face chaos under Labour."

Thankfully, enough people took notice.

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:05 pm

Thankfully, enough people took notice.

Here you go mate >>>>>>> https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... =2&t=49603

I heard the Ed milliband speech on the radio. It was far more impressive not being able to see him deliver it. The highlights I saw later on TV just didn't cut so well.

timshorts wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:43 pm

I heard the Ed milliband speech on the radio. It was far more impressive not being able to see him deliver it. The highlights I saw later on TV just didn't cut so well.

Yes I heard it on the radio also, that's interesting that he didn't come across as well visually, mind you whether the likes of Churchill and FDR would have portrayed themselves as impressively on the box is one of histories great unknowns, and like it or not you have to be able to come across well in the TV world these days.

Hard to judge on just a brief few seconds of highlights, and IDK how it was edited, but I'd advise people to try and watch his speech in full to understand the context.

Go Boris....!

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:56 pm

Don’t talk utter bullocks. It’s got EVERYTHING to do with party politics... it is didnt, you wouldn’t be here. You only EVER commentate on threads with a political nature.

And he’s NOT being given a free ride over this, he’s being absolutely chastised and ridden like a bitch over it in all the media. You simply choose to ignore that because it suits your narrative.
You do realise no one takes you seriously anymore don’t you? Why don’t they? Because you ignore what’s right in front of you. And you hide yourself behind your weak and pathetic political argument.
The press haven’t let him off with it, they have ridden him all over the place, and rightly so. He’s reneged on a deal, and in doing so he has ridiculed not just himself, but all of us.
You really are a product of a generation that no longer exists. You are a figment of your own imagination. You are hanging onto something that may well exist (a poor, weak and dishonourable government) but you live in the hope that if the vote had gone the other way, it would all have been different. Slightly? Maybe, but the three adjectives I chose would still be relevant..... and you know it.

And don’t ffs talk about governments with no honour... Blair will ALWAYS be the Most dishonourable PM this country has ever seen... and he’s yours. Own it.

Well, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I never voted Labour In a general while Blair was PM. I didn’t hate him (as much as you do), but the Iraq War, and the assault on freedoms, and the PFI rip offs among other things turned me elsewhere. So I’m sorry, but it’s not mine to own.

As for Johnson breaking international law, I’ve hardly seen the press riding him - as you say they have. Share your links! I’ve mostly seen it shown as Johnson accusing the EU of being nasty (let’s not forget who is breaking the agreement), so apologies again if I haven’t seen the National newspapers roast him over this. But then why should I just believe you if you can’t provide any evidence?

You obviously hate my opinions - why else would anyone say “nobody takes you seriously”? Unless they wanted me to stop talking. It’s cancel culture the schoolyard bully way, So what are you going to do if I continue talking?

This thread sums up why I stopped posting.

You can't argue or debate with people who think this kind of thing is okay, just because its your side.

I wish you all the luck in the world, but this kind of thing doesn't help anybody and its going to blow up in our face.

Voted him in though didn’t you?

And the Iraq war was 2003, wasn’t that in his second term? So you weren’t turned against him until then? If so, even if you did vote for him first time round, you must’ve done it again. Hands up- I did. Ashamed of it now mind....

It’s not so much that I hate your opinions, it’s what you are desperately clinging on to that I hate. Keep talking by all means, but change the record ffs. Everything blue is bad. Everything red is good. It’s just tiresome. Maybe at the turn of the century there was a place for your politics, but not now. Despite the fact that you were rejected emphatically at the ballot box, you still cling to the hope that eventually your time will come. Sorry, but it’s gone. There is no need for “your labour”. Workers and the working classes (Yeah, PLURAL) no longer need the type of ‘protection’ your (and JC’s) politics tell us we need. The Labour Party needs to be left of centre, not left of Marxism. (Yeah yeah yeah, the daily mail told me to think that, blah blah blah...) When that returns, we can all look forward to a labour government getting everything right.

Anyway, try this... https://www.theweek.co.uk/108040/brexit ... nal-damage
There’s plenty more out there having a pop at BoJo over this... who can blame them?

Schoolyard bully? No better example of that than Corbyn (and his north London reds), continually talking people down, refusing to listen and repeatedly telling people what they want/need. Reminiscent of you and your posts.

Fortunately the nation saw thru him, and we’ve got what we’ve got. It’s not great, but it’s a damn site better than it could’ve been.

Apparently the EU could be in breach of the UKs Cake (Have & Eat) Act 2016 and the UK Impunity Statutes which if true puts a whole new spin on this issue

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:01 pm

This thread sums up why I stopped posting.

You can't argue or debate with people who think this kind of thing is okay, just because its your side.

I wish you all the luck in the world, but this kind of thing doesn't help anybody and its going to blow up in our face.

You can if you've got a convincing argument, you should engage more you never know people might start to see the situation from your perspective, remaining quiet that will never happen.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:01 pm

This thread sums up why I stopped posting.

You can't argue or debate with people who think this kind of thing is okay, just because its your side.

I wish you all the luck in the world, but this kind of thing doesn't help anybody and its going to blow up in our face.

You lost , get over it.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:01 pm

This thread sums up why I stopped posting.

You can't argue or debate with people who think this kind of thing is okay, just because its your side.

I wish you all the luck in the world, but this kind of thing doesn't help anybody and its going to blow up in our face.

Remoaners / The Left- 2020 -

"This will permanently damage out international reputation"

The Silent minority-

"We seemed to manage get over Labour's illegal war resulting in the death of millions of innocent Iraqi men, women and children, pretty quick"