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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by IanMcL » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:58 am

How many ways can you present a pie and a pint?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by claretandy » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:08 pm
much more to do with no new news - though that very long interview with Matt Williams did confirm that the new owners were very keen on significantly increasing the secondary spend on matchdays, which does not come as a surprise to anyone paying attention really, You do wonder what that means for the pubs and clubs in town though - they cannot both benefit from the limited spend our fans have.

"One club for all" don't you know
Lots of pubs and clubs near the ground have closed in the last few years, the rest, 110 club, Miners, are full to bursting on matchdays, The club should have a more permanent fan zone than a Marquee.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:13 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm
Lots of pubs and closed near the ground have closed in the last few years, the rest, 110 club, Miners, are full to bursting on matchdays, The club should have a more permanent fan zone than a Marquee.
Totally agree. Street market affair with decent street food, local brewers, etc, etc. Some entertainment on - local bands, games on TV before & after, maybe some esport competitions, etc.

Also heard Matt Williams say that at Shrewsbury he did a “pie idol” competition for the fans to pick the pies they wanted (good idea) and a darts event... I loved the idea of 250 of us packed in a beer hall watching the players play terrible darts. Would be a laugh & create some great social media content.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:24 pm

Piece in today's Athletic on the first 100 days of new ownership - not much (if anything) new, though Alan PAce has probably just managed to upset the hordes of West Yorkshire clarets

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 4805860353

article is summarised in this tweet

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 2950629380

https://theathletic.com/2508306/2021/04 ... -100-days/

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by joey13 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:26 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:24 pm
Piece in today's Athletic on the first 100 days of new ownership - not much (if anything) new

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 2950629380

https://theathletic.com/2508306/2021/04 ... -100-days/
Why post it then :lol:

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by DCWat » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:28 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:24 pm
Piece in today's Athletic on the first 100 days of new ownership - not much (if anything) new, though Alan PAce has probably just managed to upset the hordes of West Yorkshire clarets

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 4805860353

article is summarised in this tweet

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 2950629380

https://theathletic.com/2508306/2021/04 ... -100-days/
We’re made of tougher stuff than that in West Yorkshire to not let a comment like that get under the skin.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:30 pm

We need a decent cafe at the Turf the conversion of the facility to a gym was never replaced.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:58 am
How many ways can you present a pie and a pint?
One of the last times i was in the cricket field clubhouse having a pie and a pint i overheard some away fans saying to each other that the pie and pint that the were enjoying was by far the best at any ground in the country !

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:43 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:24 pm
Piece in today's Athletic on the first 100 days of new ownership - not much (if anything) new, though Alan PAce has probably just managed to upset the hordes of West Yorkshire clarets
Skipton is in North Yorkshire :D :D :D

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by claretblue » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:20 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm
The club should have a more permanent fan zone than a Marquee.
Agree...think the club not aquireing the Park View land was short-sighted.
Real estate so close to Turf Moor! 8-)

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:32 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:00 pm
I think you will find that MG, in the latter stages of his reign, had altered his title to that of "Executive Chairman" for which he received a remuneration

If Mr Pace is going to relocate to this area, in order to work closely on the financial stability of the club, where will his future earnings come from ?
I guess we've now definitively seen that this isn't true.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Fri May 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Does anyone have any idea why I'm interested in Gravity Media Group? I seem to be following them at Companies House and I assume it's Burnley related as Dave Checketts is a shareholder and director but I have no idea what my interest in them was for and I can't find any mention of them on here.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri May 21, 2021 12:29 pm

They could take over the fan zone entirely instead of renting pitches out and go for a Leicester type feel with bands food etc . Though tremendously hard to make good margin in these “ match day only” scenarios ie what if it’s p1ssing down /freezing and you can never really imagine the beer monster crowd nibbling at “ street food “

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Post by AlargeClaret » Fri May 21, 2021 12:32 pm

Also of note the CF obviously takes a huge part of the match day beer money and of course the miners etc . It’s not like we’re in an industrial estate miles away ( thank god )where people have to make more of a day of it

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 12:12 pm
Does anyone have any idea why I'm interested in Gravity Media Group? I seem to be following them at Companies House and I assume it's Burnley related as Dave Checketts is a shareholder and director but I have no idea what my interest in them was for and I can't find any mention of them on here.
If it is this lot https://www.gravitymedia.com/ then you would expect that there are likely to be quite a bit of development on the Clarets player front moving forward

Though I do not see Checketts registered at Compnaies house as a director of anyone but the club

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Sat May 22, 2021 11:08 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri May 21, 2021 1:58 pm
If it is this lot https://www.gravitymedia.com/ then you would expect that there are likely to be quite a bit of development on the Clarets player front moving forward

Though I do not see Checketts registered at Compnaies house as a director of anyone but the club

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments
I believe it is. Companies House are terrible for having one person under multiple entries, it's one of the things they're looking at fixing but obviously a huge job.

This company https://find-and-update.company-informa ... ng-history

https://www.gravitymedia.com/about-us/m ... checketts/

No idea why or how I came across them though.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:45 pm

I missed this previously - the club have announced a new series of packages for commercial sponsors - replacing those that were on the old hoardings that are set to be replaced by the digital screens - to me it seems quite likely that there will be a difference in what is seen pitch side to the other screens. though there is still capability to use all for the same image. the most notable thing is the length of time each package lasts for during a match - you have to think if the take up is as the club hopes then this is going to get quite distracting

introduction https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... s-partners

detail and pricing https://commercial.burnleyfc.com/

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by DCWat » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:21 pm

When you say a difference between what is seen pitch side to the other screens, do you mean that what a fan in the stadium sees will be different to what a television viewer sees?

I read some time ago that such technology was available and wondered if / when we might see it in action. Clubs could be able to charge twice for the same advertising space - one national, one local.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:17 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:21 pm
When you say a difference between what is seen pitch side to the other screens, do you mean that what a fan in the stadium sees will be different to what a television viewer sees?

I read some time ago that such technology was available and wondered if / when we might see it in action. Clubs could be able to charge twice for the same advertising space - one national, one local.
yes that technology exists - it is possible to show it differently for every broadcaster

in this case I was talking about the main pitch side screens showing one thing and the rest showing another as with the LED and hoardings in previous seasons - the difference now it is is possible that both have the potential to be animated and that is what I feel will be distracting - if all were displaying the same message it is less distracting
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:34 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:45 pm
I missed this previously - the club have announced a new series of packages for commercial sponsors - replacing those that were on the old hoardings that are set to be replaced by the digital screens - to me it seems quite likely that there will be a difference in what is seen pitch side to the other screens. though there is still capability to use all for the same image. the most notable thing is the length of time each package lasts for during a match - you have to think if the take up is as the club hopes then this is going to get quite distracting

introduction https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... s-partners

detail and pricing https://commercial.burnleyfc.com/
Most of my advertising experience comes from the world of films which tends to be very big budget but I've got to say that those deals seem pretty cheap for what is pretty substantial exposure.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:34 pm
Most of my advertising experience comes from the world of films which tends to be very big budget but I've got to say that those deals seem pretty cheap for what is pretty substantial exposure.
it is for mid level screens, not the pitch side ones - for the most part they will not be seen on the TV broadcast - they are for those attending - i will say it is a welcome move to have something for local and regional businesses to access - it keeps the community aspect some of us feared would be lost

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:30 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:48 pm
it is for mid level screens, not the pitch side ones - for the most part they will not be seen on the TV broadcast - they are for those attending - i will say it is a welcome move to have something for local and regional businesses to access - it keeps the community aspect some of us feared would be lost
That makes more sense. Seemed pretty cheap for a substantial amount of global coverage.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:32 pm

The Telegraph with a piece that brings things up to date - all of which we know, but it is summarised reasonably well, for those that haven't kept up with everything - the link is to a full version of the article free of peripheral data and does not require a logon

https://outline.com/e783kc

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:32 pm
The Telegraph with a piece that brings things up to date - all of which we know, but it is summarised reasonably well, for those that haven't kept up with everything - the link is to a full version of the article free of peripheral data and does not require a logon

https://outline.com/e783kc
I think he's a bit behind on the Rigg situation. Although he's still listed on the staff list I understand he's no longer working at the club. Interesting last line too.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Local cricketer » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:09 pm
I think he's a bit behind on the Rigg situation. Although he's still listed on the staff list I understand he's no longer working at the club. Interesting last line too.
Surely Mr Bentley must still be in a job? Without him we wouldn’t be where we are today

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:17 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:13 pm
Surely Mr Bentley must still be in a job? Without him we wouldn’t be where we are today
:lol:

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Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:09 pm
.... Interesting last line too.
indeed - it may have something to do with the tiktok situation - who would have thought that this one post would get 1.2 million views and increase the followers of the club's account by a third - it is a different world for grabbing the interest of the young un's

https://www.tiktok.com/@burnleyofficial ... _webapp=v1

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by DCWat » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:33 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:16 pm
indeed - it may have something to do with the tiktok situation - who would have thought that this one post would get 1.2 million views and increase the followers of the club's account by a third - it is a different world for grabbing the interest of the young un's

https://www.tiktok.com/@burnleyofficial ... _webapp=v1
Quite what it says, that what to me is a pretty shite post, attracts so many new followers, is beyond me! Of course it’s not aimed at 40 somethings, but dear me!

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:36 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:16 pm
indeed - it may have something to do with the tiktok situation - who would have thought that this one post would get 1.2 million views and increase the followers of the club's account by a third - it is a different world for grabbing the interest of the young un's

https://www.tiktok.com/@burnleyofficial ... _webapp=v1
Nothing to do with TikTok

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:35 pm

DCWat wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:33 pm
Quite what it says, that what to me is a pretty shite post, attracts so many new followers, is beyond me! Of course it’s not aimed at 40 somethings, but dear me!
I was stunned when I looked at the numbers - I don't get it but dear me indeed

- the other thing I noticed is that it is getting proportionately more views daily and generating proportionately more followers daily to almost 12k in the last two or three days, I know its a low base point but that is a real surge in growth terms

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Post by Peter Loo » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:32 pm

Whilst I’ve seen that some other teams are showing there friendly games live on their own TV channel Burnley don’t have a TV channel just clarets player.

Have the new owners mentioned that it is something they intend to rectify at all or not.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Goody1975 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:23 am

bump

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Post by Bigvince » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:39 am

Goody1975 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:23 am
bump
Right let’s discuss some transfer rumours then 🤔
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Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:43 am

How’s that ‘Northern Powerhouse’ thing developing with regards to Burnley?

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Post by Peter Loo » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:47 am

‘Northern Powerhouse’ thats a cracker isn't it :D

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:57 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:39 am
Right let’s discuss some transfer rumours then 🤔
NO TRANSFER RUMOURS ON THIS THREAD
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Post by Firthy » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:18 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:57 pm
NO TRANSFER RUMOURS ON THIS THREAD
No transfer rumours on any thread :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:32 pm

I just had a quick scan through this thread, what a rollercoaster it was.

My post from page 1 on ALK seems like it may be pretty accurate
it isn't going to be the waterfalls of cash that some are expecting

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Post by Chester Perry » Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:22 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:32 pm
I just had a quick scan through this thread, what a rollercoaster it was.

My post from page 1 on ALK seems like it may be pretty accurate
it isn't going to be the waterfalls of cash that some are expecting
The two things I took from the opening 5 pages

The first use of Exciting times from Paul Waine
Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:32 pm
Mike G owns 49.x% and John B owns 28.x% - just under 80% between them. I'd assume it depends on the shape of the deal for everyone. Maybe ALK buys out all the 20% shareholders, and also buys a further 60% from Mike G and John B, leaving them with 20% between them. If that is the case, MG (and JB) could both remain on the board. Or, maybe one of both feel it's time for them to hand over to the new owners, with ALK bringing in other investors.

Exciting times for Burnley.


don't blame Mike Garlick if you don't like how it turns out
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By the way if this all goes to pot years from now, anyone trying to lay the blame at the doorstep of Mike Garlick will be in need of a slap. I don't want to hear any Burnley fan years from now trying to convince anyone that there was anything other than prolonged pressure from fans for Garlick to find investment or sell up wholly. If we become a basket case beholden to a piece of technology and with owners with cold feet, remember that it is because too few said "I'll keep what we've got, thanks".

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Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:57 pm

Why should Garlick be absolved of blame if it all goes tits up? He sold the club to them.

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Post by Bigvince » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:10 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:57 pm
NO TRANSFER RUMOURS ON THIS THREAD
Ok, no need to shout!

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:07 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:22 pm
The two things I took from the opening 5 pages

The first use of Exciting times from Paul Waine
Hi CP, this thread started (and my first post on it) was on 23rd September 2020. So, not yet 11 months since ALK and Alan Pace came into our lives.

Of course, that's not when "exciting times" began. My first game on the Cricket Field End (the old one) was just short of 54 years earlier, Burnley v Fulham.

Exciting times. :D

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:31 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:57 pm
Why should Garlick be absolved of blame if it all goes tits up? He sold the club to them.
If I sell you a perfectly good house and you burn it down a few years later, am I to blame for that?

Didn't think so.
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Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:35 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:31 pm
If I sell you a perfectly good house and you burn it down a few years later, am I to blame for that?

Didn't think so.
That analogy doesn’t work at all.

Let’s not kid ourselves that Garlick didn’t do extremely well out of this. He’d have sold us to Colonel Gaddafi as long as the deal was the best one for him.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:59 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:35 pm
That analogy doesn’t work at all.

Let’s not kid ourselves that Garlick didn’t do extremely well out of this. He’d have sold us to Colonel Gaddafi as long as the deal was the best one for him.
Of course it works, problem is you've decided to start grinding an axe because you're not happy with how you think the club should be ran etc.

Of course Garlick did well out of it, he put the time and effort into running the club for free, he didn't get paid for it and as a result the business he helped grow was worth more than what he paid for his share of it.
Just normal business stuff which some of you seem to think doesn't apply.

The business has been sold, if in a couple of years it's gone wrong you'd have to be a complete idiot to lay the blame at the door of the previous owner.

Are you also going to blame Kilby for selling up his shares to Garlick etc?
That's the mindset you're showing right now.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:01 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:57 pm
Why should Garlick be absolved of blame if it all goes tits up? He sold the club to them.
The point was more that a lot of people really wanted him to sell, he's taken the club as far as he can, it's him or Dyche, etc.

For those to say in hindsight that he shouldn't have sold would be a bit rich.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:59 pm
Of course it works, problem is you've decided to start grinding an axe because you're not happy with how you think the club should be ran etc.

Of course Garlick did well out of it, he put the time and effort into running the club for free, he didn't get paid for it and as a result the business he helped grow was worth more than what he paid for his share of it.
Just normal business stuff which some of you seem to think doesn't apply.

The business has been sold, if in a couple of years it's gone wrong you'd have to be a complete idiot to lay the blame at the door of the previous owner.

Are you also going to blame Kilby for selling up his shares to Garlick etc?
That's the mindset you're showing right now.
Not really.

Garlick, for the most part, was excellent for us, but I think it’s fair to say he was ‘fattening the goose’ for some time prior to his exit. Not for the benefit of the club, but for the benefit of himself.

Our manager has alluded to this himself, or are you choosing to ignore that?
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:59 pm


Of course Garlick did well out of it, he put the time and effort into running the club for free, he didn't get paid for it

😂😂😂

He got paid around £60m for it ffs!!!

£60m of TV gravy that nearly every other Prem club would have ploughed back into providing a Prem quality first team squad for the spectators who paid to watch it.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:10 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:03 pm
Not really.

Garlick, for the most part, was excellent for us, but I think it’s fair to say he was ‘fattening the goose’ for some time prior to his exit. Not for the benefit of the club, but for the benefit of himself.

Our manager has alluded to this himself, or are you choosing to ignore that?
There's a reason why he was a millionaire before buying into the club.
He did what he needed to do, but he left the club in a better place than it was before he took over and you seem to be forgetting that.

It cannot be easy to run a professional football club and ensure it makes money, has no major debts, manageable wage bill, modern training and youth set up and be in the PL.

Sure you can sit there and whine about what he's done, but I challenge any of you on here to do better for the club than he did.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:10 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:09 pm
😂😂😂

He got paid around £60m for it ffs!!!

£60m of TV gravy that nearly every other Prem club would have ploughed back into providing a Prem quality first team squad for the spectators who paid to watch it.
So what?
If we'd ended up in league 2 he would've got less and I suspect you'd be even more annoyed.

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