Match thread v Magpies

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm

Longstaff comes on and shoots a foot wide.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:52 pm
Where's the money

All accounted for.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm

Dyche doesn’t prioritise pace and trickery, and Garlick doesn’t get deals done regardless. Recruitment is just unacceptable at all levels.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm

This is a disaster of a result. Dyche can’t possibly defend that. An on screen live resignation would be less surreal than defending this performance

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

Fair point about Newcastle and their acquisitions- thing is we actually had one of those and probably have ended up spending more in the long run replacing him

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

I've put a transfer request in.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

I think embarrassing is pushing it (though the bench we had available for the first game was nothing short of it) But to me after 5 years of miracle-working and graft, Sean Dyche deserved backing. We saved for a rainy day, and it's pi**ing it down. We are a premier league club, and can sustain a relatively small amount of debt in the short term to give our manager the tools he needs to compete. It's too late now, so we'll have to hope he can perform another miracle and out squad stays injury-free.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

All over.
3-1

Not good.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

Right_winger wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm
This is a disaster of a result. Dyche can’t possibly defend that. An on screen live resignation would be less surreal than defending this performance

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

Not the best of nights. St Max on form and Pope off form.

Feel sorry for Pope as he would almost certainly have started for England had it not been for his rare cock up.

Hopefully, after the International break, Mee will be back and Tarky will be able to play in his rightful position.

We might be a different team then, especially if we sign a decent winger.

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm

dpinsussex wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:43 pm
We look like a league 1 side sadly

That's an insult to league 1 teams

sanderson370 · Post by **sanderson370** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

one dimensional hoofball and no quality sums up this performance

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

Only positive is the late kick off - at least not much of my Saturday ruined. Junk.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

Can’t wait for the player rankings !!!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

No words for that.

One of Dyche or Garlick needs to go and fast. We're in turmoil.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

Team morale. Gone down. No wonder.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

Glad Tarkowski is laughing

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm

Utter shite

GeorgeBoydsHeadBand · Post by **GeorgeBoydsHeadBand** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:57 pm

Apparently Newcastle fans think they have been playing poor this season. They should come into our world, then they would know what poor football is and that goes for the Manager and Chairman. Worst start to a top flight season in 93 years. Onwards and downwards

BigF · Post by **BigF** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:57 pm

If we aren't spending money from a 10th placed position I can't see us spending the parachute money.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:57 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:53 pm
Nothing to do with Garlick tonight.

**** poor from Dyche

Agreed.

Won’t complain about the second but first and third were very avoidable goals. Look in trouble.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

Second bottom unless Fulham get a point at Wolves

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

icu81b4 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:54 pm
We clearly are not properly prepared for this division yet, yet I remain hopeful that the team will get more organised soon and we can begin to compete again.

UTC

We lack billions, that's what it is. We lack billions. Honestly, we do.

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

Do you remember when we had players like Blake and Little who could actually create something.
Hoof ball is plan A, B, C attached to 4-4-2.
How boring and predictable

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

if Fulham get a point tomorrow we're bottom

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

Heads went after the pen. Better for a while, but nowhere near where we will need to be. Dwight needs to be a luxury away, he is too weak to support the full back. If we can, we could really do with some muscle (and pace) in that team.

BigF · Post by **BigF** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:58 pm

If we aren't spending money from a 10th placed position I can't see us spending the parachute money.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:59 pm

Yes the spark is currently absent.

Mr Garlick must take a large amount of the blame here.

What's the point of a recruitment Czar and team, when there is no signing to be made, which could not have been made, in any case?

BigF · Post by **BigF** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

If we aren't spending money from a 10th placed position I can't see us spending the parachute money.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:59 pm
Yes the spark is currently absent.

Mr Garlick must take a large amount of the blame here.

What's the point of a recruitment Czar and team, when there is no signing to be made, which could not have been made, in any case?

Is there a chance that we are accepting relegation and confident of coming back up?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

Out of interest, what was our formation today? Dwight was everywhere but left wing and JBG equally never out wide?

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

Poor all round, but our midfield neither protects the defence nor gives any creative service at all to our strikers. It's going to be a long cold winter for us I'm afraid.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm
Is there a chance that we are accepting relegation and confident of coming back up?

I wouldn’t sign for us now. Think we’ll have problems attracting any targets we had in mind.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:55 pm
I think embarrassing is pushing it (though the bench we had available for the first game was nothing short of it) But to me after 5 years of miracle-working and graft, Sean Dyche deserved backing. We saved for a rainy day, and it's pi**ing it down. We are a premier league club, and can sustain a relatively small amount of debt in the short term to give our manager the tools he needs to compete. It's too late now, so we'll have to hope he can perform another miracle and out squad stays injury-free.

Out of interest, if we went down with what you're saying would be small debt, could we cope?

Also, what do you consider to be a small amount of debt, that needs clarification.

Yes it's raining, it's called Covid and clearly you're not paying attention, clubs will have to pay back some TV money.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm

We had a bad start last season and really turned things around at Christmas, but we had a full team then and our club wasn't in an apparent state of disarray.

A poor transfer strategy and poor recruitment is at the heart of our problems. If the recruitment department suggests unrealistic targets that aren't available, don't want to come here or their transfer fees are outside our price bracket ( placing us in financial peril if we sign the cheques ) they have failed us and players.

Finish the window, ask the lads to dig deep and perform another miracle, allocate the blame to those who deserve it and have zero credit in the goodwill and previous success banks.

Dyche in, Garlick in, Rigg out.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:02 pm

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:00 pm
Is there a chance that we are accepting relegation and confident of coming back up?

This team would struggle to get back up. Well i say this team...quite a few would leave and wouldn't be replaced adequately..as seems the norm.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:03 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:56 pm
No words for that.

One of Dyche or Garlick needs to go and fast. We're in turmoil.

Garlick going now will not save us from this abysmal state of affairs

There is only one other alternative

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:04 pm

Yep St Maxium was the man , we were not at the races really and now lost 3 in a row since the start of the season .

It's a worry but lose the next two and we are in the deep $hit

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:06 pm

We came out after half time and looked much better and got ourselves back in it. Then straight away they just went to our soft centre and it's 2-1. Far, far too easy for an extremely average to poor Newcastle team, bar one guy with a bit of something extra about him. What a bonus we aren't able to travel to watch!!

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

Allan Saint-Maximin thinks we are a really great team...then again he would say that being given the freedom of the park by us

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:07 pm

with spurs and chelski coming up we could really do with getting a win at WBA immediately after the international break

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:08 pm

The worrying thing is we have not spent money at this point so at the next transfer window if we are in dire straits it will probably be a case of why throw good money after bad? Eddie Howe will be available after Christmas, any thoughts?

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:08 pm

It's very difficult to see any positive signs off the back of this...there is clearly blame across the board. No investment, no recruitment in the right areas, shocking tactics on the field (at times). Luckily, we are only 3 games in, and now have a 2 week break...heads need banging together. For professional people to let this happen on their watch, is quite shocking.

Sheedyclaret · Post by **Sheedyclaret** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:09 pm

that was such a poor showing

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:14 pm

Boggles

Garlick invests heavily in recruitment, Dyche finds himself pushed out of the recruitment loop. Rigg is allowed to build the recruitment team he wants and he is given two years to get up to speed - while Garlick and Dyche face all of the questions and take all of the flack for our recruitment failures.

Garlick and Dyche have got us to where we are, the worked well together and things have fallen apart in the last two years - with things getting more toxic.

Rigg destroyed QPR in six months with his recruitment. At Fulham he wasted millions on two complete squad overhauls and took them from a recently relegated from the EPL position to fighting to avoid the drop to League One. At both of those clubs the backroom turned toxic, the players were unhappy and discord was rampant amongst the staff.

Our recruitment has reached new levels of poor, plenty of quality players were available at cheap prices in this window and we were in for none of them.

How can the bloke tasked with over seeing our recruitment strategy and assembling our transfer target list not feature in the blame game ?

Garlick is at fault, Dyche is at fault, why is Rigg not at fault ?

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:16 pm

Why employ an expensive guy to source players when there is no intention to buy any ?

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:17 pm

The international break has come at a good time. We need to regroup, rethink our strategy and re-evaluate what we have. Places should not be guaranteed and should be up for grabs.
The decision to play Barnes after 9 months out was disgusting in my opinion. Vydra hasn't exactly set the world alight but he came in the back end of last season, got a few important goals and showed us all something. With Jay out injured he should be next in line, he has deserved it for his loyalty and commitment recently. That was a slap in the face from Dyche tonight and basically said you'll never be considered a starter here. If I were him, I'd be off before Monday night if his agent can sort something. He's wasting his time here.
Barnes comes back in & surprise surprise we play hoofball crap. He starts rolling around like a primadonna every time he's touched and rightly or wrongly is always involved in petty fouls. Sometimes it goes for us, most of the time it doesnt. If anyone needs replacing in the transfer window it's him. He's a bencher, good to bring on to rough it up when needed but we need better. Never gonna happen I know but we can dream, right.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:01 pm
Out of interest, if we went down with what you're saying would be small debt, could we cope?

Also, what do you consider to be a small amount of debt, that needs clarification.

Yes it's raining, it's called Covid and clearly you're not paying attention, clubs will have to pay back some TV money.

I'm not talking about debt for it's own sake. Taking debt on as a business in order to invest is completely normal, and transfer dealings have been responsible for turning our biggest profits. In 2018/2019 we recorded a 4.3 million profit, and in the previous season due to Keane and Gray moving on we made £35+ million. Spending money isn't the same as investing money. The same goes for our premier league status. We have a much better chance of staying up if Sean Dyche has better players at his disposal, that much should be obvious. We invest in the squad to generate asset value and stay in a league that gives us infinitely more revenue than the one below it.

In terms of covid, yes it's not great for business. But are we the only ones affected? No, it's relative. And relatively speaking compared to other clubs who have players in our target range transfer-wise, we should be in better shape. The championship, ligue 1 clubs etc, with the solid financial footing we have I think now isn't that bad a time to invest at all.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:20 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:17 pm
The international break has come at a good time. We need to regroup, rethink our strategy and re-evaluate what we have. Places should not be guaranteed and should be up for grabs.
The decision to play Barnes after 9 months out was disgusting in my opinion. Vydra hasn't exactly set the world alight but he came in the back end of last season, got a few important goals and showed us all something. With Jay out injured he should be next in line, he has deserved it for his loyalty and commitment recently. That was a slap in the face from Dyche tonight and basically said you'll never be considered a starter here. If I were him, I'd be off before Monday night if his agent can sort something. He's wasting his time here.
Barnes comes back in & surprise surprise we play hoofball crap. He starts rolling around like a primadonna every time he's touched and rightly or wrongly is always involved in petty fouls. Sometimes it goes for us, most of the time it doesnt. If anyone needs replacing in the transfer window it's him. He's a bencher, good to bring on to rough it up when needed but we need better. Never gonna happen I know but we can dream, right.

On another day Barnes could have walked for his kick out at Manquillo...he was lucky he disguised it so well. Stupid considering he was already on a booking too.