For me, I’d like to see him given that chance now.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:51 pm

For me, I’d like to see him given that chance now.

A run of games?
that will be something like 70 minutes (max) and 3 months off

Chance would be a fine thing, he seems to be injured or recovering from a injury until he gets injured again.

Maybe but only by default. If fit JBG plays ahead of him. Pushing Brownhill wide to accommodate Stephens didn't work and weakens us in 2 areas. So, maybe, but what is it that Robbie has done to stake a positive claim?

Edit: on that basis, "deserve" is probably the wrong word for me.

Yes, especially if we are playing folk out of position/having to change it to accommodate folk.

But Brady is never going to be the answer in a 4-4-2.

And McNeil is struggling with it now as well.

Not for me. He doesnt look arsed half of time

What has he done to prove he’s worthy of a run of games ? Others than other players being sh*t I’ve not seen anything to date.

Apart from scoring against chelsea??was that 3/ 4 years ago I cant recall anything of note from him in a Burnley shirt...

You'd presume if he cannot get a game in his natural position of sorts now in a side with only 1 win in the last 10 in the premier league and thst against the 9 man already relegated Norwich, then he wont be getting a run of games any time soon.

Instead Brownhill, Pieters, Jay Rod, McNeil, JBG have all been preferred to play infront of him.

He did have a good spell this time 2 seasons ago, he just doesnt look fit, up for it or remotely good enough since. Shame.

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:05 pm

Others than other players being sh*t I’ve not seen anything to date.

Well that's the point. Unless you see a plethora of wide players/wingers on our bench.

Edited title to remove ‘deserve’ to merely ask the question of whether he should start.

Wellsy1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:03 pm

Not for me. He doesnt look arsed half of time

Funny you should say that
We had an Irish winger, Alan Moore, who was similar in that he got injured a lot and got slagged off for it.
People used to say he couldn't be arsed, but I'd say that some injuries play on the mind of a player making recovery very difficult, if at all possible.

And what a talent Alan Moore was. I think you’ve drawn a good comparison there.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:10 pm

Funny you should say that
We had an Irish winger, Alan Moore, who was similar in that he got injured a lot and got slagged off for it.
People used to say he couldn't be arsed, but I'd say that some injuries play on the mind of a player making recovery very difficult, if at all possible.

That's why he doesn't deserve to be near the first team at present if at all.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:11 pm

And what a talent Alan Moore was. I think you’ve drawn a good comparison there.

I didn't realise until Claret Tony commented on it, but Alan Moore's injuries became a serious threat to his health. i don't know the details, obviously.

There’s not enough said about the mental side of suffering injuries. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has suffered. He was in brilliant form before a pretty freak injury at Leicester and just hasn’t been able to get back to any kind of form or fitness.

Brady was a very good, confident player.
Injuries have taken their toll. Lacks that confidence and is no longer preferred.

That said, McNeil is licensed to wander and he lacks the pace to gee us up. He is a hindrance! The young man is disappearing. A cultured footballer will emerge but can we afford that at present?
Rodriguez behind a striker or two is much better and more 'urgent'.

Dyched wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:19 pm

There’s not enough said about the mental side of suffering injuries. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he has suffered. He was in brilliant form before a pretty freak injury at Leicester and just hasn’t been able to get back to any kind of form or fitness.

Really good point. Was talking to the manager of the U16s from my local junior football club who had a player suffer a leg break last week. Metal rods in his leg from knee to shin. My brother had a plate in his leg in his 20s, also from a 50-50, and came back to play into his 40s. As hard as it is for grown men playing for fun it is probably even harder pyschologically for kids and pros.

It’s coming up to 3 years since he last showed any form of being good enough for this level. It’s just another example of our poor transfer dealings if we’d actually added to our squad realistically he’d be long gone probably to the league below

If JBG is injured ( high probability) then we’d be better playing Jay.. put Jay and Barnes high in the wings push McNeil into the centre and Wood on the middle. It’s the most obvious line up.

4-3-3 in attack and 4-5-1 in defence

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:24 am

If JBG is injured ( high probability) then we’d be better playing Jay.. put Jay and Barnes high in the wings push McNeil into the centre and Wood on the middle. It’s the most obvious line up.

4-3-3 in attack and 4-5-1 in defence

Alternatively, 4-5-1 in attack and 4-3-3 in defence. The kind of fluidity you refer to, given how we play, requires wingers with great engines and an understanding of the defensive duties. Boyd and Arfield were perfect in that role but I'm not sure that it plays to Jay and Ashley's strengths.

Duffer_ wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:50 am

Alternatively, 4-5-1 in attack and 4-3-3 in defence. The kind of fluidity you refer to, given how we play, requires wingers with great engines and an understanding of the defensive duties. Boyd and Arfield were perfect in that role but I'm not sure that it plays to Jay and Ashley's strengths.

Barnes is reyt as a clock doing that, but not in this league.

Rodders needs to be central, for us.

Has to start if JBG isn’t fit and Jay Rod up top instead of Barnes.

Never mind Brady what about Mat Vydra
We needed guile and a person who will try to score.

We've not seen much of him lately but, whenever he has come on, I have noticed little impact
A lack of confidence maybe
For me, more likely he is another one happy to run down his contract and get a nice signing on fee at his next club. No doubt still in touch with his mate Hendrick and will have some idea of the extra money to be made from a free transfer
Obviously he will have to try and get in some game time to keep up his reputation, so that may be an incentive for more effort during his remaining time with us
There certainly is the option in the next game to start him and put Jay up front
But that would be two changes and with Dyche that would be at least one too many

Is this thread an early April fool? The guy is absolutely awful. As I put on another thread, he scored in the first half of his debut and aside from one good strike at B'mouth has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING since to show he's up to it. I honestly think he'll struggle in the Championship when we get relegated. (Oh and he's never fit, but how much of that is in his head??)

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:53 pm

A run of games?
that will be something like 70 minutes (max) and 3 months off

That's exactly my thoughts. Brady would never be fit enough for a run of starts. JBG is the same, we all knew that before the Transfer window, and yet we extended Bradys contract and didn't recruit anyone.

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:15 am

Is this thread an early April fool? The guy is absolutely awful. As I put on another thread, he scored in the first half of his debut and aside from one good strike at B'mouth has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING since to show he's up to it. I honestly think he'll struggle in the Championship when we get relegated. (Oh and he's never fit, but how much of that is in his head??)

Yes that's the only 2 games I saw anything ..that was 3 years ago down at Bournemouth.would any industry / organisation put up with such a lack of production.......no way.

Yep , next question

We'd be far better off giving Benson or whoever a go as at least they'll put a shift in and they MIGHT turn out to be good enough (like McNeil did). We already know Brady isn't good enough, so why keep chucking him on?

If Brady is the answer, we’re asking the wrong question.

It makes the decision to extend his contract all the more baffling.

We need to get Jay starting before we even talk Brady. One point from six games, and potentially our best all round player in a very small squad is not starting. He will get you a goal from a half chance

If you ask me, apart from a few sparks, isn't worth the money we paid for him. People often talk about Defour but at least he produced when he was playing.

Yes, just as soon as he can get a run of 10 yards without injury.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:17 am

Yes that's the only 2 games I saw anything ..that was 3 years ago down at Bournemouth.would any industry / organisation put up with such a lack of production.......no way.

Well said Tim.

I was surprised he didn’t play yesterday with JBG out again. We would have been much better balanced than we were. I’d have played him instead of Stephens.

As would I Tony!

Me too, and I can’t for the life of me understand why that didn’t happen. Maybe the signing has to be justified... I just don’t know.

We (and the players) have been really really unlucky with injuries to good players. Brady was just coming to a bit when he was crocked. JBG has always been steady but brittle and Defours quality was there for most to see.

We need a right winger, whether JBG or Brady it doesn't matter.
If neither is available then we still need a right winger. Playing Brownhill out there just weakens the centre, playing Pieters out there is clutching at straws. If the best 'fit' right winger is someone stepping up from the U23s or U18s, just play them. I wouldn't expect them to shine, but at least they would know what they are trying to do. If they turn out to be toothless, then we're no worse off than we are now. Trying to influence the game isn't an option anymore. Defeat to Chelsea isn't the end, but if we continue to play like yesterday its going to be a long road. It was awful that we couldn't create anything, and at worst the other teams down there with us are trying to put on a show.
Theres never any doubt about the effort from the lads, but that performance was woeful, a total lack of ideas, how could a youngster be any worse.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:07 pm

I was surprised he didn’t play yesterday with JBG out again. We would have been much better balanced than we were. I’d have played him instead of Stephens.

I'm of the Belief neither are very Good....

We have scored only 3 goals so far this season in 6 games. That’s pathetic. We aren’t even looking like scoring either.

Yes we don’t have the personnel to play our system that’s when a manager should earn his coin and come up with alternative systems.

Dyche’s stock is tumbling by the day.

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:52 pm

We have scored only 3 goals so far this season in 6 games. That’s pathetic. We aren’t even looking like scoring either.

Yes we don’t have the personnel to play our system that’s when a manager should earn his coin and come up with alternative systems.

Dyche’s stock is tumbling by the day.

I doubt very much his "stock" is Tumbling on the budget? He works with tbh.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:56 pm

I doubt very much his "stock" is Tumbling on the budget? He works with tbh.

Of course it is. He can only string people along so long with that line. He is directly responsible for having a lack of budget with his **** poor efforts in the transfer market over the past few years.

No other premier league club will touch him.

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:52 pm

Dyche’s stock is tumbling by the day.

HA HA

At present Dyche might not have too many options but to give Brady
a start especially if JBG remains unfit.
We don't really have anyone on the bench who can come on and help
change the game/result.
I think if Brady is going to have much of a chance then we'd probably have to
start him for a few games and hope he comes good after the first few and
builds up his confidence to the point where he's beginning to make a positive contribution.
How likely is that?
Probably not very as can't see Dyche taking that risk albeit as I said earlier
he might not have many other options to try.

At present we're not creating too many chances per game (60 shots in 6 games this season)
and 18 on target and scored 3, is it?
We need to create more and Brady does have (or had) the ability
to produce a 'killer' pass.
But I think it would take him at least 3 games and some decent performances
to get anywhere near his best.

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:58 pm

No other premier league club will touch him.

So you don't think SD is a good manager then?

Up to his bad injury I thought Brady was very good and improving within the team. Not sure if he is the same player after the injury but needs a run of games to get back to full confidence and we badly need to play with more width. So yes lets give the lad more starts.

Yes

Three years nearly since his injury before which,admittedly, he was playing well. It would be interesting to know how many minutes he's played in league games since then. A 'no' from me unless he has to be used to get 11 players on at the start.