Diego Maradona
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:28 pm
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Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:05 pmSuperb footballer, superb captain when he literally dragged an average national team over the line to win the World Cup in 1986.
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To be fair. As great as he was. Even Pele would have struggled to win the World Cup for Argentina.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:10 pm
It was Jeff Taylor who worked in the youth department at the time who nailed it when he said Maradona had done something that Pele hadn’t as mentioned in the list above. He’d taken a very average Argentina team to a World Cup win
Quite right,CT. The World Cup victory can easily overshadow his incredible effect on Napoli. He led from the front and delivered both domestically and on the international scene with players on both occasions who, with the odd exceptions, could justifiably be termed as average. His and Argentina's second goal in the semi v Belgium was simply breathtaking.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:10 pmI remember us having a Pele v Maradona discussion one Saturday morning at Gawthorpe. I was very much in the Pele camp whilst Vince Overson, who would have been too young to appreciate Pele, was in the Maradona camp.
It was Jeff Taylor who worked in the youth department at the time who nailed it when he said Maradona had done something that Pele hadn’t as mentioned in the list above. He’d taken a very average Argentina team to a World Cup win and a very average Napoli team to a Serie A title.
One of the greatest footballers ever seen,like you say he carried Napoli all on his own and lead them to the title. Wish him a speedy recovery.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:22 pmQuite right,CT. The World Cup victory can easily overshadow his incredible effect on Napoli. He led from the front and delivered both domestically and on the international scene with players on both occasions who, with the odd exceptions, could justifiably be termed as average. His and Argentina's second goal in the semi v Belgium was simply breathtaking.
Messi is part of the same era and a clear mile better. I don't think in 2020 it's who is the best, it's clearly Messi. It's more a question of rewinding and picking Messi and Maradona/Pele. That's the major choice.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:46 pmNot having a go at anyone here as I have know idea how old anyone is. But the greatest ever is Cristiano Ronaldo. Only because I’m not old enough to have seen Pele or Maradona. I can’t stand it when ex pros/fans get asked and they say someone they never saw live or even on tv live. It’s nonsense.
Ronaldo definitely the best of the modern generation. By some distance for me.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:46 pmNot having a go at anyone here as I have know idea how old anyone is. But the greatest ever is Cristiano Ronaldo. Only because I’m not old enough to have seen Pele or Maradona. I can’t stand it when ex pros/fans get asked and they say someone they never saw live or even on tv live. It’s nonsense.
C. Ronaldo (THE Ronaldo was better) had too many bad spells. His form was always all over the place. Messi dominated the opposition on a bad day, nevermind a good day.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:56 pmRonaldo definitely the best of the modern generation. By some distance for me.
But some of the stuff Maradonna did was incredible. On some of the footage I watched earlier there is a clip of him vs inter at the san siro on a pitch that wouldnt have looked out of place up trawden rec. And he just bamboozled players on there.
I cant ever argue against people saying Ronaldo is the best. But Maradonna is absolutely up there. He did it on bad pitches, overweight while off his head!
You mean you never saw Dean Marney play?Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:46 pmNot having a go at anyone here as I have know idea how old anyone is. But the greatest ever is Cristiano Ronaldo. Only because I’m not old enough to have seen Pele or Maradona. I can’t stand it when ex pros/fans get asked and they say someone they never saw live or even on tv live. It’s nonsense.
It’s personal preference either or. I’ve seen far more of Ronaldo so will go with him. When he first signed I was in my last year at high school. There was a big Man Utd “fan”. I told him he will be the greatest ever. No ********. You could tell. He’s immense an absolute machine. Messi is brilliant too, in different ways, the way he seems to just jog around players with the ball glued to foot is incredible. They’re both great. Their goals alone show it. There’s forwards remembered for being great, these 2 have reinvented the rules on how many goals need to be scored for being great. Players like Raul, Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko etc would be forgotten about had they come after Messi and Ronaldo, no doubt. You see it now with Saurez and Lewandowski. Those 2 are streets ahead on the few I’ve mentioned, but will never get the praise due to Messi and Ronaldo.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:52 pmMessi is part of the same era and a clear mile better. I don't think in 2020 it's who is the best, it's clearly Messi. It's more a question of rewinding and picking Messi and Maradona/Pele. That's the major choice.
Messi, Messi, Messi.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:56 pmRonaldo definitely the best of the modern generation. By some distance for me.
But some of the stuff Maradonna did was incredible. On some of the footage I watched earlier there is a clip of him vs inter at the san siro on a pitch that wouldnt have looked out of place up trawden rec. And he just bamboozled players on there.
I cant ever argue against people saying Ronaldo is the best. But Maradonna is absolutely up there. He did it on bad pitches, overweight while off his head!
I think if you've seen a lot of Ronaldo, it's understandable. I remember him at Man U and thought he was tricky, but he lacked a bit. Messi has been the greatest for a lot longer at Barca. I just think Messi has done it longer. And... and this is a big thing.. he's not a ****. He gets on with his job and does it.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:04 pmIt’s personal preference either or. I’ve seen far more of Ronaldo so will go with him. When he first signed I was in my last year at high school. There was a big Man Utd “fan”. I told him he will be the greatest ever. No ********. You could tell. He’s immense an absolute machine. Messi is brilliant too, in different ways, the way he seems to just jog around players with the ball glued to foot is incredible. They’re both great. Their goals alone show it. There’s forwards remembered for being great, these 2 have reinvented the rules on how many goals need to be scored by being great. Players like Raul, Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko etc would be forgotten about had they come after Messi and Ronaldo, no doubt. You see it now with Saurez and Lewandowski. Those 2 are streets ahead on the few I’ve mentioned, but will never get the praise due to Messi and Ronaldo.
C Ronaldo. Yes.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:01 pmC. Ronaldo (THE Ronaldo was better) had too many bad spells. His form was always all over the place. Messi dominated the opposition on a bad day, nevermind a good day.
Spot on.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:04 pmIt’s personal preference either or. I’ve seen far more of Ronaldo so will go with him. When he first signed I was in my last year at high school. There was a big Man Utd “fan”. I told him he will be the greatest ever. No ********. You could tell. He’s immense an absolute machine. Messi is brilliant too, in different ways, the way he seems to just jog around players with the ball glued to foot is incredible. They’re both great. Their goals alone show it. There’s forwards remembered for being great, these 2 have reinvented the rules on how many goals need to be scored for being great. Players like Raul, Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko etc would be forgotten about had they come after Messi and Ronaldo, no doubt. You see it now with Saurez and Lewandowski. Those 2 are streets ahead on the few I’ve mentioned, but will never get the praise due to Messi and Ronaldo.
Bad spells? Cristiano Ronaldo. He has over 700 goals. Over 36 per season on average since he first played at 16. He averaged 17 per season before he went to Real Madrid. He’s average over 30 since he turned 30.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:01 pmC. Ronaldo (THE Ronaldo was better) had too many bad spells. His form was always all over the place. Messi dominated the opposition on a bad day, nevermind a good day.
Opinions I guess. The Ronaldo was in my mind the best footballer of all time. We're going back to when the champions were the champions. Every time he attacked Man United it looks like he was going to rip them a new one. That was football - that was how football was.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:13 pmC Ronaldo. Yes.
Original Ronaldo is my favourite forward of all time. And should have been the best. But injuries and fitness meant he is remembered as an incredible player but not the best.
I'm 40 and watched football when it really mattered. You don't have a clue about football when the champions involved the champions league.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:15 pmBad spells? Cristiano Ronaldo. He has over 700 goals. Over 36 per season on average since he first played at 16. He averaged 17 per season before he went to Real Madrid. He’s average over 30 since he turned 30.
Brazilian Ronaldos best season at Real Madrid he got 31. 2 less than Cristiano's worst.
I’m all for debating who’s best. But it’s quite clear Cristiano is street ahead of the fat one. “But he got injured” Yes but if Ashley Barnes was Pele he’d be good.
Non champions have been in the UCL longer than you could have possibly have been watching proper football. You’ve probably only been watching it 5 years more over me.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:18 pmI'm 40 and watched football when it really mattered. You don't have a clue about football when the champions involved the champions league.
This is my point - or pint. The Champions League should be champions. Not a champion of your country? Don't qualify.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:25 pmNon champions have been in the UCL longer than you could have possibly have been watching proper football. You’ve probably only been watching it 5 years more over me.
I remember that game Ronaldo vs Man Utd, standing ovation etc. I’m not doubting his quality. C Ronaldo won it 4 times at Real Madrid. He’s won it more times than Ronaldo had great performances in the competition.
I agree. There’s there’s only 5 league Champions that could possibly make it interesting though. I’m sure it must of been top 2 when I first started watching it. That’d be a fair balance to make a really elite competition.FactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:28 pmThis is my point - or pint. The Champions League should be champions. Not a champion of your country? Don't qualify.
I want the very best teams to qualify - the best.
https://youtu.be/4vashrNoXTEBrowntuba wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:26 pmI hope Diego makes a full recovery. Was a phenomenal player, in my opinion the best.
I never tire watching the video of his warm up before a European semi final to “live is life” all the while with his boots unlaced. I think it was said some of the opposition players just stood and watched.
(It’s on YouTube not sure how to post a link)
When I first was into it, it was top 1. I remember me and my dad watching Man United vs Glasgow Rangers. They walked out to to the crowd and the music and I'd get the feeling down my spine... like... "Here we go". I miss those days.
No.. that save was pretty special Wile.Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:26 pmpele scored 1000 plus goals, but it was against accy stanley quality teams. He played in an era when the south americans were unknown and mysterious. ronaldo, messi, maradona are light years ahead of him. same thing with banks the england keeper. he played for stoke. yes he won a world cup, and the press went nuts over his save from pele in 1970, but it wasn't that special. modern prem goalies do similar week in, week out. A lot of the themes for world class are pure hype.
I’m not sure how. Maradona had long left Barcelona when Lineker arrived.yTib wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:33 pmi remember gary lineker talking about him at barcelona. he basically kicked the ball as far up in the air as he could and then when it came down volleyed it straight back up just as high and kept doing it. all watching were astonished.
also heard an account of him giving a lecture at a college and for the duration was doing kick-ups with a golf ball.