January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Stevie Morgan]

But it appears we don’t think he is worth what Everton want for him. Perhaps we think we can sign a better player for that fee. How is that concerning?

Haha, yes I'm sure we've got better players lined up for less than that fee

I'm concerned because I hoped the new owners would offer the "stretch" dyche had wanted. This suggests not. If there's no change, dyche is gone, and we'll start our slide down the pyramid again.

But still. You never know, we've got tomorrow.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well we've bid for him and he was a target so that's missing out in the real world. Even Chris boden has reported exactly that

According to quite a few journalists he was a long term target of Dyche’s and he has gone to another club. Clearly we have missed out on him. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise.

[Zlatan]

I think he's more in the know than you that's for sure.

You're unbelievably argumentative on here, he was a target and he's gone elsewhere. That's missing out. What are you disagreeing with? If Dyche thought he could get better then we would have been targeting them instead

Choosing to not pay the ransom is not missing out, it’s choosing to not pay

[Grumps]

Well we've bid for him and he was a target so that's missing out in the real world. Even Chris boden has reported exactly that

Not sure we've bid for him... And boden hasn't said we have

[boatshed bill]

I think he's more in the know than you that's for sure.

You're unbelievably argumentative on here, he was a target and he's gone elsewhere. That's missing out. What are you disagreeing with? If Dyche thought he could get better then we would have been targeting them instead

To be frank, Dom, I don't think we have any money whatsoever.
in my opinion we were better off under Mike Garlick.
i guess I'm there to be proved wrong, we'll have to wait and see.

[taio]

According to quite a few journalists he was a long term target of Dyche’s and he has gone to another club. Clearly we have missed out on him. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise.

Didn't realise he was considered a long term target. I can't recall him being linked prior to this window.

[Rileybobs]

I think he's more in the know than you that's for sure.

You're unbelievably argumentative on here, he was a target and he's gone elsewhere. That's missing out. What are you disagreeing with? If Dyche thought he could get better then we would have been targeting them instead

I was disagreeing with another poster which I think is allowed, and you responded to me - but I’m being argumentative?

We haven’t missed out to Celtic because it appears that they are signing him on loan- whereas we wanted a permanent deal. It appears that we don’t share Everton’s valuation of the player, that’s not missing out on him and I fail to see how it’s concerning in any way.

[ksrclaret]

This "well he's rubbish anyway" stuff doesn't wash. We've very clearly made an offer, so Dyche wants him and he's proven time and time again he can spot a decent defender.

I doubt Dyche would have raised too many complaints had we payed a few million over whatever may or may not be his valuation.

[DomBFC1882]

Choosing to not pay the ransom is not missing out, it’s choosing to not pay

So its taken us 31 days to establish what they wanted for us to realise we won't pay it? If that's the case it's negligent. We should have known long before today that they weren't going to accept our small offer and made other plans. The guys gone to Celtic, it's not like he's gone for 10 million more than we bid.

[Rileybobs]

Haha, yes I'm sure we've got better players lined up for less than that fee

I'm concerned because I hoped the new owners would offer the "stretch" dyche had wanted. This suggests not. If there's no change, dyche is gone, and we'll start our slide down the pyramid again.

But still. You never know, we've got tomorrow.

I didn’t say we had better players lined up for less did I? I said that maybe we think that we can find a better player than Kenny for the fee that Everton want for him. Or we could find an equally good player for less.

The drama queenery on this thread is hilarious.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Didn't realise he was considered a long term target. I can't recall him being linked prior to this window.

According to a number of journalists he is.

[brunlea99]

Because

- It looks dyche wanted him
- Position we need to strengthen
- Appears a reasonable fee in current market was needed

What's the "reasonable fee" then ? In you opinion.

[Stevie Morgan]

I didn’t say we had better players lined up for less did I? I said that maybe we think that we can find a better player than Kenny for the fee that Everton want for him. Or we could find an equally good player for less.

The drama queenery on this thread is hilarious.

"drama queenery". Or - a concern that the best manager we've arguably ever had is being failed, again. Believe or not, at some point we will have to buy new players and we're making it a bigger and bigger job every window that goes by.

[claretdj]

To be frank, Dom, I don't think we have any money whatsoever.
in my opinion we were better off under Mike Garlick.
i guess I'm there to be proved wrong, we'll have to wait and see.

Spot on, the yanks ain't got no cash for recruitment n the only way they will is if they get outside investment or another bank loan.

[Stevie Morgan]

What's the "reasonable fee" then ? In you opinion.

Around the sums that were being mooted. He was available, dyche wanted him and sometimes I think you have to pay a small premium to get the player you want in. We know dyche has tight parameters, how many others will there be?

[DomBFC1882]

"drama queenery". Or - a concern that the best manager we've arguably ever had is being failed, again. Believe or not, at some point we will have to buy new players and we're making it a bigger and bigger job every window that goes by.

People do like to belittle on this board Stevie and think they're somehow better. Having genuine concerns appears to be frowned upon. The same people that if we go down will say "we're punching above our weight", "we're a small town", "we nearly went out of the football league against orient" bla bla bla

How dare you raise concerns about how we're progressing. The manager and board can do no wrong.

[DomBFC1882]

To be frank, Dom, I don't think we have any money whatsoever.
in my opinion we were better off under Mike Garlick.
i guess I'm there to be proved wrong, we'll have to wait and see.

Praying you're wrong Bill

[IanMcL]

Chairman seems to think something will happen.

[Rileybobs]

"drama queenery". Or - a concern that the best manager we've arguably ever had is being failed, again. Believe or not, at some point we will have to buy new players and we're making it a bigger and bigger job every window that goes by.

I’d suggest that linking us being unable to agree a fee for Jonjoe kenny with Dyche leaving Burnley is drama queenery. Have a think about it, a little bit drama queeny isn’t it - Jonjoe Kenny!

[brunlea99]

Around the sums that were being mooted. He was available, dyche wanted him and sometimes I think you have to pay a small premium to get the player you want in. We know dyche has tight parameters, how many others will there be?

I note you've dodged the question. Are you saying you don't know ?

[Rileybobs]

People do like to belittle on this board Stevie and think they're somehow better. Having genuine concerns appears to be frowned upon. The same people that if we go down will say "we're punching above our weight", "we're a small town", "we nearly went out of the football league against orient" bla bla bla

How dare you raise concerns about how we're progressing. The manager and board can do no wrong.

I don’t believe I’m better than you, just a lot more level-headed and pragmatic.

[DomBFC1882]

I’d suggest that linking us being unable to agree a fee for Jonjoe kenny with Dyche leaving Burnley is drama queenery. Have a think about it, a little bit drama queeny isn’t it - Jonjoe Kenny!

Managers have left clubs for the same reason before. Brendan Rogers left Celtic coz they wouldn't pay the 3mill for John Mcginn

[claptrappers_union]

As a user of the message board, even from the ClaretsMad golden era, I can’t say I’m fan of the single transfer window threads.

I find I have to scroll through the constant moaning, bickering and winging just read what Alan Nixon said.

Am I the only one who starts at the bottom then scrolls up about a quarter of a page before clicking back?

[NewClaret]

Kenny story reminds me a bit of Wilson in the summer. Not convinced we were really serious about him either. He’s having an average season in the Championship now, so not sure he was worth the £16m they wanted.

[Zlatan]

So its taken us 31 days to establish what they wanted for us to realise we won't pay it? If that's the case it's negligent. We should have known long before today that they weren't going to accept our small offer and made other plans. The guys gone to Celtic, it's not like he's gone for 10 million more than we bid.

Do you always pay over the odds for things? Our club historically has not, nothing new with this. We may have taken a punt on him if he was available at the price we wanted to pay. As it is, we didn’t think he was worth it.

[BurnleyPaul]

Isn’t Jonjoe Kenny out of contract at the end of the season?

Isn’t this move to Celtic just a loan move?

Is it possible that we’ve been in contact with Kenny’s agent and we’ll sign him on a free in the summer with some of the money we’d have spent on a transfer fee as part of a signing on bonus?

Is it possible that some of the money we had allocated for Kenny might now be diverted elsewhere (e.g. Collins- who can play CB and RB)

Just saying....

[randomclaret2]

I don’t believe I’m better than you, just a lot more level-headed and pragmatic.

I wouldnt associate accusing those who hold a different view of " drama queenery" with being level headed

[Stevie Morgan]

I note you've dodged the question. Are you saying you don't know ?

Do you want me to break the fee down with instalments and add ons? Because I can't be arsed. 8 million seems about right.

[Bigvince]

Isn’t Jonjoe Kenny out of contract at the end of the season?

Isn’t this move to Celtic just a loan move?

Is it possible that we’ve been in contact with Kenny’s agent and we’ll sign him on a free in the summer with some of the money we’d have spent on a transfer fee as part of a signing on bonus?

Is it possible that some of the money we had allocated for Kenny might now be diverted elsewhere (e.g. Collins- who can play CB and RB)

Just saying....

Quite possible, why would we pay £9 million( apparently ) for a bit part player from Everton, who’s out of contract in the summer. It’s right that the club won’t pay over the odds. We already have 2 right backs!

[DomBFC1882]

Do you always pay over the odds for things? Our club historically has not, nothing new with this. We may have taken a punt on him if he was available at the price we wanted to pay. As it is, we didn’t think he was worth it.

I get that Zlatan if it was a one off but it clearly isn't. We've missed out on many players due to our ridiculous valuations and Dyche has said exactly that previously. I don't always pay over the odd for things you're right but neither do we. In fact we never have and that's the problem

[Stevie Morgan]

I’d suggest that linking us being unable to agree a fee for Jonjoe kenny with Dyche leaving Burnley is drama queenery. Have a think about it, a little bit drama queeny isn’t it - Jonjoe Kenny!

If it was in isolation, yes. But it's not is it?

Have a think about it.

[NewClaret]

Quite possible, why would we pay £9 million( apparently ) for a bit part player from Everton, who’s out of contract in the summer. It’s right that the club won’t pay over the odds. We already have 2 right backs!

Summer 2022.

Still can’t see them getting £9m with 12 months to go.

[Stevie Morgan]

Quite possible, why would we pay £9 million( apparently ) for a bit part player from Everton, who’s out of contract in the summer. It’s right that the club won’t pay over the odds. We already have 2 right backs!

Is he out of contract in summer?

[arise_sir_charge]

Well at least this has given Boatshed the chance to tell us all again that he thinks we have no money.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Quite possible, why would we pay £9 million( apparently ) for a bit part player from Everton, who’s out of contract in the summer. It’s right that the club won’t pay over the odds. We already have 2 right backs!

He’s got a contract till 2022 with a year extension if Everton want.

[taio]

Isn’t Jonjoe Kenny out of contract at the end of the season?

Isn’t this move to Celtic just a loan move?

Is it possible that we’ve been in contact with Kenny’s agent and we’ll sign him on a free in the summer with some of the money we’d have spent on a transfer fee as part of a signing on bonus?

Is it possible that some of the money we had allocated for Kenny might now be diverted elsewhere (e.g. Collins- who can play CB and RB)

Just saying....

Thought he was contracted until summer 2022

[KRBFC]

In the Chairmans own words, his priority was to help the manager in this window and the manager wouldn't be frustrated in transfer windows now. I'm not sure how he was expecting to do that, who's funds did he plan on using?

Looks like more failed empty promises to me and like he said himself, actions speak louder than words. Very much looks like, new person same excuses with even less money than before.

[ClaretMov]

Didn't realise he was considered a long term target. I can't recall him being linked prior to this window.

Have you been a sleep for 12 months or more, we were in for him before he went to Germany over a year ago

[Jakubclaret]

"drama queenery". Or - a concern that the best manager we've arguably ever had is being failed, again. Believe or not, at some point we will have to buy new players and we're making it a bigger and bigger job every window that goes by.

This player that’s been mentioned who is equally as good for less money scenario, I’m not sure if people realise the window shuts tomorrow so even if somebody was lined up it’d be unlikely to be completed, you need to have your ducks in a row anything else disappointment is inevitable, when managerial vacancies become available & people joke dyche to so & so, 1 day it won’t be a joke.

[taio]

Have you been a sleep for 12 months or more, we were in for him before he went to Germany over a year ago

Yes I've been asleep for over a year

[brunlea99]

Do you want me to break the fee down with instalments and add ons? Because I can't be arsed. 8 million seems about right.

So you think Everton will accept £8M ? In your view, a reasonable sum.

How do you know they would accept that ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

So you think Everton will accept £8M ? In your view, a reasonable sum.

How do you know they would accept that ?

No one knows whether it would be accepted. But the point is journalists are suggesting that would be enough. Not a lot more you can go off as a fan.

[Bigvince]

Is he out of contract in summer?

Sorry my mistake if it’s summer 2022, but still it’s a lot of money for an unproven player.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Journalists & truth don’t fit, they print any crap to fill column space & big up there supposed contacts, bit like sky with their sky sources line straight after they have made something up............

[MrTopTier]

Ben Davies gone to Liverpool-2mill

[dermotdermot]

Chairman seems to think something will happen.

Oh?

[warksclaret]

Apparently we have previously been linked-what did SD say about "offering a bag of chips"

I also know Leicester were looking at him before signing Forfa in the Summer. And people try and tell you its a tough window

[Duffer_]

It wasn't great fun saving money for what we thought was our future but it's even less exciting saving money to service the debt on monies that have, allegedly, gone into MG's pockets.

The only thing that matters to me as a fan is that SD is getting what he (reasonably) wants in terms of incoming players. Losing SD would be disastrous and cost us a lot more than a couple of mill on a transfer fee. He could, of course, be totally aligned with the strategy in this window but it looks unlikely given AP's promises and, frankly, why should he be?

I could forgive SD for thinking his efforts have generated substantial PL monies and that he is not getting to invest a reasonable share of those monies.

[MACCA]

Chairman admitted he had put "more bidS" in for players Friday, "however that doesnt always mean theyll get accepted"

Lets hope that either they are being considered or if not, at least negotiable.

It would take a very brave or silly man to be very open, make promises and then fail to deliver those promises within 30 days of arriving.
I think 2 will arrive tomorrow, however only possibly 1 might go out now.

[NewClaret]

Sorry my mistake if it’s summer 2022, but still it’s a lot of money for an unproven player.

I agree. If we could have got him at the right price, I’d have taken him. I think £9m is a lot for someone with so little game time.

Same with the £16m Liverpool wanted for Wilson.