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Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:31 pm
by taio
Steddyman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:19 pm
Had we signed him, Sean wouldn't have played him.
Course we wouldn't
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:38 pm
by warksclaret
Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:43 pm
No. A great find is getting a fairly unknown player, not one that was a highly regarded championship player.
For us no better example than Danny Ings, who we paid £1m for. I hear he is now stalling his new contract talks. If he was to move now I guess he could easily be in the £40m mark. Other great finds were Kieran Trippier , Ben Mee and Charlie Austin. I suspect as we had no official RECRUITMENT TEAM then that Eddie Howe has to take the credit for all four
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:03 pm
by Gordaleman
It's probably already been mentioned but free agent Ahmed Musa (Nigerian Captain) has been linked with Burnley. Currently a free agent he has been offered a contract with CSKA Moscow but says he wants to move to the PL. West Brom and Burnley both interested, with W Brom pulling out of a deal at the last minute in the summer.
If it's between us and BFS, I know where I'd go.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:29 am
by mdd2
Gordaleman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:03 pm
It's probably already been mentioned but free agent Ahmed Musa (Nigerian Captain) has been linked with Burnley. Currently a free agent he has been offered a contract with CSKA Moscow but says he wants to move to the PL. West Brom and Burnley both interested, with W Brom pulling out of a deal at the last minute in the summer.
If it's between us and BFS, I know where I'd go.
Was at Leicester for two years but shipped out on loan to CSKA Moscow for th last 6 mnths of his 2 year stint with the Foxes and didnt plat many games in 18 months and only scored 2 goals in 21 appearances
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:57 am
by Vegas Claret
Papers linking King to WHU for 16 million
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:21 am
by Grumps
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:57 am
Papers linking King to WHU for 16 million
Good luck to them, hope he enjoys his time there
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:25 am
by Raggus
The king fee is utter garbage, no way is anybody paying 10mill or above for a 29 year old who they could sign for free in 5 months. Likely to be 5/6million if anybody signs him.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:23 am
by Reecey1987
#WatfordFC transfer latest
Interest in taking Matej Vydra on loan from Burnley is there, but lots to fall into place for it to happen. My @TheAthleticUK colleague @adjones_journo includes latest on striker’s situation in this latest mailbag piece.
https://t.co/a6PGmo6iZ3
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:35 am
by Firthy
Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:23 am
#WatfordFC transfer latest
Interest in taking Matej Vydra on loan from Burnley is there, but lots to fall into place for it to happen. My @TheAthleticUK colleague @adjones_journo includes latest on striker’s situation in this latest mailbag piece.
https://t.co/a6PGmo6iZ3
Why would we even consider letting him go out on loan. Surely if we bring in a replacement striker then we would sell him to recoup some money. Vydra will never make it at Burnley, don't know what the problem is but he just doen't to fit in with SD and his plans.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:37 am
by FactualFrank
King to West Ham seems a much likely move than King to Burnley. King to Burnley to me just doesn't sound like a move that would ever happen.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:38 am
by FactualFrank
Firthy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:35 am
Why would we even consider letting him go out on loan. Surely if we bring in a replacement striker then we would sell him to recoup some money. Vydra will never make it at Burnley, don't know what the problem is but he just doen't to fit in with SD and his plans.
Agree. Vydra is an option on the bench. If we loan him out and don't sign a striker, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:39 am
by Grumps
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:37 am
King to West Ham seems a much likely move than King to Burnley. King to Burnley to me just doesn't sound like a move that would ever happen.
The only way it works is if he wants to move back up here, but there will be millions of reasons he would stay down south
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:41 am
by Bosna
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:38 am
Agree. Vydra is an option on the bench. If we loan him out and don't sign a striker, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.
He doesn't play Vydra if he can help it and clearly doesn't fancy him, so we may as well get rid.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:44 am
by Reecey1987
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:38 am
Agree. Vydra is an option on the bench. If we loan him out and don't sign a striker, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.
I suppose it all depends if there's a clause were they have to buy end of the season
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:46 am
by FactualFrank
Bosna wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:41 am
He doesn't play Vydra if he can help it and clearly doesn't fancy him, so we may as well get rid.
He does play Vydra though. He doesn't give him many minutes, but he's still an option from the bench. It would be daft to only have 3 recognised forwards.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:47 am
by FactualFrank
Reecey1987 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:44 am
I suppose it all depends if there's a clause were they have to buy end of the season
It would still mean we need another forward. Jay, Wood or Barnes get injured and we don't have a proven forward on the bench. It would be madness, but thankfully, I'm sure we wouldn't end up in that situation. I doubt we'll sell him unless somebody else is coming in.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:49 am
by Reecey1987
FactualFrank wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:47 am
It would still mean we need another forward. Jay, Wood or Barnes get injured and we don't have a proven forward on the bench. It would be madness, but thankfully, I'm sure we wouldn't end up in that situation. I doubt we'll sell him unless somebody else is coming in.
He would only get rid of vydra if we got somebody else in . If it was guaranteed money for vydra after the loan it would suit both parties
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:50 am
by TheFamilyCat
Surely the "lots to fall into place" will include us signing a striker before letting him go?
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:51 am
by CharlieinNewMexico
I love Vydra. Not getting a chance here though. I can see a Vydra x Gray swap deal type thingy.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:52 am
by Reecey1987
CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:51 am
I love Vydra. Not getting a chance here though. I can see a Vydra x Gray swap deal type thingy.
Or deeney .
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:57 am
by Pearcey
I can see Deeney or Gray in a swap deal. He likes both of them and obviously doesn’t fancy Vydra.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:59 am
by warksclaret
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:57 am
Papers linking King to WHU for 16 million
Doubt the figure is true, however WHU are the ones likely to pay stupid money for King. Realistically you need to take the 1 in front of the fee being mentioned. If true it does not say much for Benrama who came for big money not that long ago.There will be a lot of sitting on the bench as its impossible to start with him, Antonio and King. Also depends how much someone wants to start games-personally I think if King joined us he would command a regular start, or regular game time
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:01 am
by Hedontplayforyou
Would be an absolute shambles if we signed Deeney or Andre to replace Vydra. Makes no sense at all. Deeney way past it and too similar to the other 3 strikers. Andre has no form whatsoever and his attitude toward breaking covid protocol won’t sit nicely with Dyche I’d imagine.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:07 am
by DomBFC1882
Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:01 am
Would be an absolute shambles if we signed Deeney or Andre to replace Vydra. Makes no sense at all. Deeney way past it and too similar to the other 3 strikers. Andre has no form whatsoever and his attitude toward breaking covid protocol won’t sit nicely with Dyche I’d imagine.
Tell me about it. What a shambles if that happens.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 am
by warksclaret
Really all depends on what SD thinks. I doubt any of us wanted Crouch but SD has a soft spot for him and valued having him around. With Deeney there is a mutual respect- so I hate to say it, but it could happen, I sense Gray has blotted his copy book, in more ways than one, however SD might be thinking he could be an impact sub, and he does have goals in him. Next week could be interesting
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:23 am
by Steddyman
warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 am
Really all depends on what SD thinks. I doubt any of us wanted Crouch but SD has a soft spot for him and valued having him around. With Deeney there is a mutual respect- so I hate to say it, but it could happen, I sense Gray has blotted his copy book, in more ways than one, however SD might be thinking he could be an impact sub, and he does have goals in him. Next week could be interesting
Next week could be depressing, like the last three years of transfer windows.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 am
by jrgbfc
If Deeney came in would leave us with 3 strikers all the wrong side of 30 plus Wood at 29. You'd like to think we're looking at bringing the age of our squad down a bit instead.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:30 am
by nyclaret
I honestly wouldn't be against a possible return for Gray. We are seriously lacking some explosive pace up top. I doubt he'd be interested in making the move back up north to be honest though.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:36 am
by Jakubs Tash
Gray wasn’t good enough for the Premier League before so I’m not sure what has changed since. Deeney is clearly well liked by Dyche but hopefully we are looking for younger, different options to the likes of him.
The Vydra story is a bit of a nothing story which is explained in the article. It’s highly unlikely he leaves and the only way he does is if we have a replacement.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:41 am
by FactualFrank
nyclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:30 am
I honestly wouldn't be against a possible return for Gray. We are seriously lacking some explosive pace up top. I doubt he'd be interested in making the move back up north to be honest though.
I'm thinking the same, as an impact sub of course. But like you say, I very much anticipate he wouldn't want to leave his London party lifestyle, and I've thought that and money was always his priority over football. But at the same time, I feel we need someone who can go straight into the starting 11.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:45 am
by Rileybobs
Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:36 am
Gray wasn’t good enough for the Premier League before so I’m not sure what has changed since. Deeney is clearly well liked by Dyche but hopefully we are looking for younger, different options to the likes of him.
The Vydra story is a bit of a nothing story which is explained in the article. It’s highly unlikely he leaves and the only way he does is if we have a replacement.
Agreed. I’d prefer we signed a younger player who is unproven at PL level than someone who has proven to be not good enough.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:58 am
by Darthlaw
Not that I'm advocating the Gray transfer, albeit I wouldnt be against it, but I would say Dyche got the best out of him and arguably he was very much a capable PL striker when he was here with a one goal in three record. Pretty similar to Wood, in that respect, slightly better than Jay and certainly better than Barnes.
In the meantime, Gray has had to work with five different managers and their respective sets of preferred tactics.
If we're suggesting that suddenly he's not good enough for the PL, whilst Ash and Jay are, then it reeks of sour grapes.
As it is, I think its irrelevant anyway as his Mrs is shortly to be the bread winner there and wont entertain the thought of moving up Norf.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:02 am
by jedi_master
Gray got 9 goals for us in his one season in the Premier League.
Vydra has got 6 goals in the Premier League in 66 games across three different clubs, none of which have seen fit to play him regularly.
Crucially, Dyche believes in him and would actually play him. Whatever people see in Vydra (and he has had some good games, no doubt) Dyche doesn't see it, that's pretty much obvious at this point. On that basis what's the point of keeping him? Dyche will see Gray as a genuinely viable alternative and would be willing to introduce him earlier from the bench/start him on occasion I think. If he still has his pace I would have no issue with that trade.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:03 am
by Bigvince
Don’t fancy Andre back,on the few occasions I saw him last year, he looked a shadow of the player we sold.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:09 am
by Rileybobs
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:58 am
Not that I'm advocating the Gray transfer, albeit I wouldnt be against it, but I would say Dyche got the best out of him and arguably he was very much a capable PL striker when he was here with a one goal in three record. Pretty similar to Wood, in that respect, slightly better than Jay and certainly better than Barnes.
In the meantime, Gray has had to work with five different managers and their respective sets of preferred tactics.
If we're suggesting that suddenly he's not good enough for the PL, whilst Ash and Jay are, then it reeks of sour grapes.
As it is, I think its irrelevant anyway as his Mrs is shortly to be the bread winner there and wont entertain the thought of moving up Norf.
No sour grapes from me. I just don’t think he’s good enough for the PL. And if we are looking to replace Vydra it should be with someone who is better, or has the potential to be so. And I think we very much need to start looking ahead and signing players who we can improve and who’s increase in value we can take advantage of. Gray is 30 this year.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:16 am
by DCWat
Resigning Gray would be a backwards step. I don’t have a name but I do wonder if we’d be better with someone more versatile - effective on the right or up front.
The wages he will be on, on top of any fee (even as part of a swap for Vydra) wouldn’t make it worth while for what he’d bring to the club.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:17 am
by jedi_master
Adam Armstrong from Rovers is worth a gamble.
He would be affordable, would jump at the chance, is a good age and scoring very regularly. The fact it would be hilarious is also just a bonus.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:19 am
by Conroy92
People think Andre is good enough yet players like Lingard are deemed not. Strange. He got 9 goals for us including 3 against one of the worst sides I've seen in this division and his control and all round game was possibly worse than Wood. He certainly didn't set any trees alight for us in the prem and his subsequent time at Watford would suggest he's not good enough. Used in the right system he might nick one or two but we need better or better potential.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:25 am
by randomclaret2
We saw the very best of Gray in the 15/16 promotion season.He has done nothing in the 5 years since to suggest he would in any way be a good signing.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:28 am
by NewClaret
Conroy92 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:19 am
People think Andre is good enough yet players like Lingard are deemed not. Strange.
This.
Have come to the conclusion that I either want us to sign quality players that will genuinely move us forward, young players with potential, or just stick with what we’ve got and bring our lads through.
The Grays, Deeney’s of the world dont fit in either camp and don’t move us forward in any way whatsoever.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:28 am
by ksrclaret
I don't want Andre Gray anywhere near the Turf again unless he's lining up for an opposition side, and I can categorically assure people it's nothing to do with any sort of grapes, sour or otherwise. I was delighted to see the back of him, and was totally gobsmacked when we received such a large fee for him from Watford (was it around £18m?).
Never, ever good enough for the PL. Not in a million years. Technically he was in the toilet. Personally, I also found him to be an extremely distasteful character.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:29 am
by NewClaret
jedi_master wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:17 am
Adam Armstrong from Rovers is worth a gamble.
I agree. Bit of Ings in him, I think.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:51 am
by Mala591
Adam Armstrong
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adam-ar ... ler/250426
16 goals in 23 Championship appearances so far this season
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:10 pm
by beddie
Gray and his lifestyle are firmly rooted down country, anyway his girlfriend wouldn't allow it. I also think King with his young family will be settled down south, importantly if other clubs are interested in him that's us out of the equation.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:14 pm
by Rileybobs
beddie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:10 pm
Gray and his lifestyle are firmly rooted down country, anyway his girlfriend wouldn't allow it. I also think King with his young family will be settled down south, importantly if other clubs are interested in him that's us out of the equation.
That’s complete speculation about their personal lives though. Footballers generally go where the best financial offer takes them.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:17 pm
by randomclaret2
beddie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:10 pm
Gray and his lifestyle are firmly rooted down country, anyway his girlfriend wouldn't allow it. I also think King with his young family will be settled down south, importantly if other clubs are interested in him that's us out of the equation.
Boden tweeted on Wednesday that King was keen to return to the North West
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:19 pm
by FactualFrank
Have you got a link to the rumour/source?
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:30 pm
by DanH90
I’d be happy with a Vydra Gray swap deal. He clearly doesn’t fancy Vydra and even though Vydra is a better footballer than Gray Gray would give us some pace and a different option off the bench.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:42 pm
by RVclaret
You clearly haven’t seen Andre Gray recently if you think he has more pace than Vydra. I’d actually say it’s the other way round. It’s a huge NO from me.
Re: January Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:43 pm
by tiger76
DanH90 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:30 pm
I’d be happy with a Vydra Gray swap deal. He clearly doesn’t fancy Vydra and even though Vydra is a better footballer than Gray Gray would give us some pace and a different option off the bench.
Hmm! depends on Gray's attitude, just maybe he's got a point to prove after sitting on Watford's bench so much, and he would offer us that much needed pace, don't know what sort of wages Andre's on, but if we could get a swap deal in place it might suit all parties, Vydra isn't going to play regularly under Sean, and Andre would be a better option in my view, purely due to his pace.