I can't take it anymore, someone help please. White to play, shooting upwards and to get checkmate in 2 moves

I use lichess board editor to edit the pieces

B7 to C8
F7 to E6

Wouldn't queen to f6 be checkmate in one?

No because there wouldn't be anything to protect the queen from the King

Yes there would. The bishop

WK to C4 check
Black can either take the K with his castle or move his King to the one available square, either way he's done for

Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:15 pm

Yes there would. The bishop

What about the pawn?
That can move diagonal to take the queen

Haven't played chess for donkey's years but I'm thinking white rook to e3 - check. Black king then only has one move ....to c6. Queen takes black pawn at e7 and I think that's game over?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:13 pm

B7 to C8
>>>
F7 to E6

>>> King can move to D6?

B2 to c4
Black king e5 to e4
D3 to e3

Check mate

Haven't played chess for donkey's years but I'm thinking white rook to e3 - check. Black king then only has one move ....to c6. Queen takes black pawn at e7 and I think that's game over? Sorry, meant black king to d6 not c6!

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:13 pm

B7 to C8
F7 to E6

You realise black gets a move inbetween yours don't you?

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:18 pm

B2 to c4
Black king e5 to e4
D3 to e3

Check mate

The castle can simply take the knight.

Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:13 pm

Wouldn't queen to f6 be checkmate in one?

Nope Black pawn would take queen

d3 to e3 putting black in check and forcing the king to move to d6.
Then queen from f7 to e7 taking the pawn and check mate because the queen is protected by the bishop on g4.

Knight to c4 first definitely and that's checkmate

Edit - ignore me as the rook would take it

We were thinking the same thing dibraidio but, on reflection, either the black knight or black rook could defend the king at e4 (I think!)

I need to work through the variations but i think first move might be Rook D3-E3

I think Black has 3 options

Black can move King to D6 which I think will open up a mating opportunity
Black can block with Rook D4-E4 which I think will open up a mating opportunity
Black can block with Knight F2-E4 which White can mate with Knight B2-C4

Just need to check you can mate after top two black defenses and that there's no other defensive move for Black but this is my first stab at it

Edit:
If Black Rook blocks then Queen to D5 mate
If Black King escapes to D6 then Queen takes Pawn on E7 mate

Happy to be proven wrong but that looks to work for me

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:18 pm

B2 to c4
Black king e5 to e4
D3 to e3

Check mate

Its not as tbe bishop would be covering the space for the king you've moved

dibraidio wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:39 pm

d3 to e3 putting black in check and forcing the king to move to d6.
Then queen from f7 to e7 taking the pawn and check mate because the queen is protected by the bishop on g4.

That's it

can't see a correct answer yet.

Super Teds wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:48 pm

can't see a correct answer yet.

Dibradio is?

Knight move c4 then rook has to take and then move queen next to king on d5 and it is checkmate

dibraidio wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:39 pm

d3 to e3 putting black in check and forcing the king to move to d6.
Then queen from f7 to e7 taking the pawn and check mate because the queen is protected by the bishop on g4.

Castle can be moved to D4, blocking the check.

DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm

Dibradio is?

As per my explanation I think Dibradio is correct but black has a couple of additional defensive options which ive played out but all lead to mate in two.

The first move is the key to the puzzle and I have come to the same conclusion as Dibradio so unless there's another defensive option we've missed I think thats it

Kick the board over and stomp out of the room, go up to bed and shout "F*** you thats the last time I am playing chess with you......"

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 pm

As per my explanation I think Dibradio is correct but black has a couple of additional defensive options which ive played out but all lead to mate in two.

The first move is the key to the puzzle and I have come to the same conclusion as Dibradio so unless there's another defensive option we've missed I think thats it

See my post above. The king can then get out of it even if the castle takes the castle.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 pm

As per my explanation I think Dibradio is correct but black has a couple of additional defensive options which ive played out but all lead to mate in two.

The first move is the key to the puzzle and I have come to the same conclusion as Dibradio so unless there's another defensive option we've missed I think thats it

Definitely mate. The first move is 100% correct and then once the Queen is moved is checkmate, I've checked it 10 times and its definitely checkmate

DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:57 pm

Definitely mate. The first move is 100% correct and then once the Queen is moved is checkmate, I've checked it 10 times and its definitely checkmate

OK, so my move is wrong? The castle blocks the check when the first castle moves for check.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:54 pm

As per my explanation I think Dibradio is correct but black has a couple of additional defensive options which ive played out but all lead to mate in two.

The first move is the key to the puzzle and I have come to the same conclusion as Dibradio so unless there's another defensive option we've missed I think thats it

unfortunately not...black bishop moves H1 -E4. blocking the check and putting white in check.

d3 to e3 putting black in check and forcing the king to move to d6.

>>> castle moves from D4 to D3, blocking the check - the King doesn't have to move

Then queen from f7 to e7 taking the pawn and check mate because the queen is protected by the bishop on g4.

Super Teds wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:58 pm

unfortunately not...black bishop moves H1 -E4. blocking the check and putting white in check.

Bugger, missed that one, back to the drawing board

Super Teds, do you have the answer? People have asked these before without actually having the correct answer.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:59 pm

d3 to e3 putting black in check and forcing the king to move to d6.

>>> castle moves from D4 to D3, blocking the check - the King doesn't have to move

Then queen from f7 to e7 taking the pawn and check mate because the queen is protected by the bishop on g4.

I showed how that can lead to check on my full solution above however SuperTeds has pointed out the Bishop can block which I didnt see

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:02 pm

Bugger, missed that one, back to the drawing board

yes. it's so frustrating. I've spent so long on this, the messageboard is my last resort! There's someone who is good at these who got the other ones last time

Yes I remember, I played the role of finding all the reasons his and other solutions werent correct to he finally nailed it

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:03 pm

I showed how that can lead to check on my full solution above however SuperTeds has pointed out the Bishop can block which I didnt see

My reply further up the thread was regarding DiBradio's theory and how it's not correct.

This is killing me now lol please can we have the answer Ted? I wasn't expecting to have to think this much today

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:02 pm

Super Teds, do you have the answer? People have asked these before without actually having the correct answer.

No I don't have the answer. I feel like I've tried every possible move so I know why most aren't correct and I think I'll know when I see the right answer. I've been told it is possible though

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:05 pm

My reply further up the thread was regarding DiBradio's theory and how it's not correct.

Yep I realised as I got confused with who was talking about what but if Black Rook blocks the White Queen has a mating square. The Bishop is now the pain in the butt for that solution

Super Teds wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:06 pm

No I don't have the answer. I feel like I've tried every possible move so I know why most aren't correct and I think I'll know when I see the right answer. I've been told it is possible though

Hopefully he or she aren't winding you up Ted haha

DomBFC1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:08 pm

Hopefully he or she aren't winding you up Ted haha

If he is then there will be serious consequences! But he's not sick enough to allow me to spend weeks on this without good cause

Super Teds wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:12 pm

If he is then there will be serious consequences! But he's not sick enough to allow me to spend weeks on this without good cause

Weeks!?

Super Teds wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:12 pm

If he is then there will be serious consequences! But he's not sick enough to allow me to spend weeks on this without good cause

Fair enough mate

Think it wad Duncan Disorderly who got it last time

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:13 pm

Weeks!?

Yes...not 24/7 though.... I stopped for 90 mins when Burnley played!

Personally I would go bishop g5 to e3 and make black suffer as you split the knight and the rook.

Another solution then: Queen F7 to E7 taking the pawn and putting black in check.
The black king can only move from e5 to f5.
Then move the queen from e7 to E5 for mate with the queen protected by the bishop.

What about this

White Bishop G5-F4
Only move for Black is Rook D4-F4 taking Bishop
Then White Knight B2-C4 mate

Check it out please SuperTeds and see if Ive missed something cos my brains scrambled

dibraidio wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:26 pm

Another solution then: Queen F7 to E7 taking the pawn and putting black in check.
The black king can only move from e5 to f5.
Then move the queen from e7 to E5 for mate with the queen protected by the bishop.

King can then move to G6 from F5 and escape check.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:27 pm

What about this

White Bishop G5-F4
Only move for Black is Rook D4-F4 taking Bishop
Then White Knight B2-C4 mate

Check it out please SuperTeds and see if Ive missed something cos my brains scrambled

Black Rook can then take the white knight.