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Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:10 pm
by huw.Y.WattfromWare
I posted on the MDT I thought that was the best I’d seen him ref a Clarets match.
Nuno Espirito Santo has just given him a right kicking on post game interview. Saying is not up to PL standard, talks to much and is influenced by players screams. Adding the players are nervous when he refs them.
I’ll stick with my earlier opinion.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:12 pm
by Local cricketer
I enjoy it when he breaks into a sprint
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:14 pm
by Steve1956
Thought Mason had an excellent game tonight
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:15 pm
by randomclaret2
2020 has thrown up some surprises to say the least, but an opposing manager blaming Lee Mason for losing to Burnley just about puts the tin hat on it
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:21 pm
by dandeclaret
Just been discussing this on twitter. I tend to agree with NES on this, and I firmly believe that Lee Mason is a benefit to your team if you're defending a lead. NES said " It is not about the crucial mistake or decisions, it is about how he handles the game."
I agree with him, and some of my logic is
1) I feel Mason is a naive referee. He falls into every trap that players set. Cynical fouls, are followed up by a word from him, then he blows the whistle, slows the game down and lets the defensive team to set up and take all the momentum out of the attacking team. See Jay Rod foul, the foul on the Wolves lad who crashed into Mee, and I think a foul from Brady left centre mid (It might have been Brownhill).
2) His clarity of communication is poor. He was waving play on when Westwood kicked the ball away, then booked him because he'd pulled the game up for a free kick the other way. He hadn't signalled it.
3) He doesn't do anything to deal with the game management, and slowing down of the game in the latter stages. It's admirable that Nick Pope put so much effort into trying to convince the referee that he was going to dink it to a full back, then take an age over a goal kick downfield, but imagine Burnley were chasing the game, and the opposition team were doing that - how would you feel then?
I think his game management is the worst of any premier league referee.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:24 pm
by DomBFC1882
My second favourite manager is Nuno. Absolute class act but im afraid he's got this one wrong
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:26 pm
by Stacky_claret
Wolves in the main were very poor tonight some of their passing was woeful
And he really should be thanking him for not sending his player off when after what I’ve seen since the introduction of VAR was a straight red for a stamp
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:28 pm
by tiger76
Nuno is getting his excuses in early, Wolves looked poor tonight, bar the opening 20/25 minutes, and if they'd stolen a point at the end it would have been daylight robbery, so like every manager he needs to deflect the attention from their shortcomings, and what better way then getting everybody talking about how hopeless the ref was, a perfect tactic to divert the media from asking him difficult questions.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:29 pm
by MACCA
Cost me a big acca the pr1ck. How he missed Moutinho at the end, those are bookings every day of the week.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:30 pm
by Rowls
Yes, he's not great.
Throw in a few puzzling decisions and you can see how easily the players are going to get frustated with him.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:36 pm
by bfcjg
Santo Claus has run from our town.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:40 pm
by Vegas Claret
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:41 pm
by basil6345789
Local cricketer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:12 pm
I enjoy it when he breaks into a sprint
No one can sprint like Mr Fussey could.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:42 pm
by tarkys_ears
Ugh the level of expectation of managers when playing against us is really poor.
We're a good team, and yours is generally ****. You got beat, suck it up you poor baby!
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:45 pm
by Bosscat
Lee Mason going up and up in my opinion ... he seems to have stopped buying the cheating and diving as easily as he used to.
At least he didn't need to go to Jon 'Fatty' Moss too much
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:48 pm
by karatekid
I find it amusing listening to opposing managers when they lose to us. They will come out with any old rubbish just to avoid saying they lost to the better team. It is even pretty embarrasing to listen to at times.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:48 pm
by RalphCoatesComb
Local cricketer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:12 pm
I enjoy it when he breaks into a sprint
Sprint? Mason?
The only thing Mason breaks is WIND
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:06 pm
by Lowbankclaret
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:21 pm
Just been discussing this on twitter. I tend to agree with NES on this, and I firmly believe that Lee Mason is a benefit to your team if you're defending a lead. NES said " It is not about the crucial mistake or decisions, it is about how he handles the game."
I agree with him, and some of my logic is
1) I feel Mason is a naive referee. He falls into every trap that players set. Cynical fouls, are followed up by a word from him, then he blows the whistle, slows the game down and lets the defensive team to set up and take all the momentum out of the attacking team. See Jay Rod foul, the foul on the Wolves lad who crashed into Mee, and I think a foul from Brady left centre mid (It might have been Brownhill).
2) His clarity of communication is poor. He was waving play on when Westwood kicked the ball away, then booked him because he'd pulled the game up for a free kick the other way. He hadn't signalled it.
3) He doesn't do anything to deal with the game management, and slowing down of the game in the latter stages. It's admirable that Nick Pope put so much effort into trying to convince the referee that he was going to dink it to a full back, then take an age over a goal kick downfield, but imagine Burnley were chasing the game, and the opposition team were doing that - how would you feel then?
I think his game management is the worst of any premier league referee.
He is what he always has been , a crap ref.
Thought it ever since he bottled the Preston lads handball on the line. Even the Preston fans had their heads in their hands waiting for the whistle for the pen and red card.
He just ran off, he is not fit to ref an under 11’s ont Prairie .
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:33 pm
by TVC15
At the end he told the Wolves full back to go back to the corner to take the throw in - he totally ignored Mason and took the throw in and the referee did nothing
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:09 pm
by Somethingfishy
In general a good game from Mason but that is judging from the incredibly low standards he has set himself refereeing our games. I disagree with some on here thinking he was outstanding. He made some odd decisions but for once we got a non controversial game out of him.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:12 pm
by wilks_bfc
Think Nuno may be in trouble for those comments - regardless how correct he may be
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:13 pm
by Somethingfishy
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:21 pm
Just been discussing this on twitter. I tend to agree with NES on this, and I firmly believe that Lee Mason is a benefit to your team if you're defending a lead. NES said " It is not about the crucial mistake or decisions, it is about how he handles the game."
I agree with him, and some of my logic is
1) I feel Mason is a naive referee. He falls into every trap that players set. Cynical fouls, are followed up by a word from him, then he blows the whistle, slows the game down and lets the defensive team to set up and take all the momentum out of the attacking team. See Jay Rod foul, the foul on the Wolves lad who crashed into Mee, and I think a foul from Brady left centre mid (It might have been Brownhill).
2) His clarity of communication is poor. He was waving play on when Westwood kicked the ball away, then booked him because he'd pulled the game up for a free kick the other way. He hadn't signalled it.
3) He doesn't do anything to deal with the game management, and slowing down of the game in the latter stages. It's admirable that Nick Pope put so much effort into trying to convince the referee that he was going to dink it to a full back, then take an age over a goal kick downfield, but imagine Burnley were chasing the game, and the opposition team were doing that - how would you feel then?
I think his game management is the worst of any premier league referee.
Fair points and if you look at them objectively you can see why Nuno might have been annoyed. Nothing major but subtle refereeing faults.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:15 pm
by Spike
Bad loser our Santos!
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:16 pm
by Stayingup
tarkys_ears wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:42 pm
Ugh the level of expectation of managers when playing against us is really poor.
We're a good team, and yours is generally ****. You got beat, suck it up you poor baby!
Quite right. Poch and many more just couldn't make losing to us. Always some excuse and often a crazy rant.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:33 pm
by arise_sir_charge
I always get the impression that Lee Mason is guessing.
Some days he guesses more in your favour than others and today was arguably one of those.
What does often happen with him though is, if the big six are in town, his guessing becomes more heavily favoured to them as opposed to the smaller club.
Must admit the Wolves throw at the end was peak Mason, told him to go back, looked like he was going to blow 3 times and then just let him do what he wanted.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:51 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:06 pm
He is what he always has been , a crap ref.
Thought it ever since he bottled the Preston lads handball on the line. Even the Preston fans had their heads in their hands waiting for the whistle for the pen and red card.
He just ran off, he is not fit to ref an under 11’s ont Prairie .
The handball he somehow missed against Preston will never leave my memory! By all accounts he’s quite open in his opinion of Burnley fans!!
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:24 am
by JimmyRobbo
I thought he got most decisions right, tonight. There were a few dives that he correctly ignored. Thought he got the stamp correct (but this modern game would regularly see a red for it). Think the penalty was very soft but I can see why it was given.
I think Nuno knows they are going to struggle relying on that kid to score their goals. He's just creating a diversion.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:29 am
by Swizzlestick
I think it’s going to be a very expensive diversion for him.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:59 am
by superdimitri
I think the fact we won and still many see his performance to be bad tells you all you need to know. It's not often that a winning side are the ones complaining about the ref.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:29 am
by NewClaret
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:29 am
I think it’s going to be a very expensive diversion for him.
It will be worse than a fine, I’d have thought? Touch line ban?
He said very directly that Mason wasn’t fit to referee. He also wasn’t asked - it was a very deliberate choice to share that opinion. And I don’t think he was that bad either! I’ve never heard a manager criticise a ref so directly... no hiding behind the decisions and criticising them, just saying he’s outright not good enough!
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:42 am
by Rileybobs
The arrogance of Nunez to suggest that he has asked that Mason doesn't ref their games and he was astounded that he was selected for the game. Like managers should have the power to choose their referee. He looked a little unhinged after the game, which was strange as the referee certainly didn't play a part in their defeat.
Wolves looked toothless without Jimenez and he looks like he's feeling the pressure.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:49 am
by ClaretAndBlue94
Would have liked him to have another look at the Moutinho stamp. Think thats out of his control though.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:56 am
by Erasmus
It's a bit rich managers criticising referees when all their players spend the entire match trying to trick them into making wrong decisions. If you want better refereeing, tell your players to behave honestly. No diving, no screaming for a start.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:02 am
by Jakubclaret
I like Nuno generally but I think he went OTT he should have just said I think the referee didn’t have the best of games & got the important big decisions wrong & left it as that, when you are interviewed straight after games you don’t get the opportunity to rationally reflect & engage constructively, he’s probably regretting it this morning not being more reserved & select with his words.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:05 am
by nil_desperandum
Quite interesting this.
We're in a good mood because we played well and won, but ask a random sample of Burnley supporters before the game whether they were happy that Mason was officiating, and the vast majority would have expressed views pretty similar to the Wolves manager.
I don't think he was speaking specifically about Mason's performance last night, more about his level of performance at PL level, which I agree is sub-standard.
I think the problem is that he appears to have transmitted this view to his players even before a ball was kicked. I remember Kevin Blackwell doing very similar before the Championship Play Off final, when he made public his views about Mike Dean.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:06 pm
by Whatsupdoc
Think it's a classic leaf out of the Mourinho book. When your team are out played and out fought put up a smoke screen to deflect any criticism. Everybody in the media is talking about Mason instead of the poor team selection, poor tactics and poor attitude of the players who simply didn't turn up on a cold wet night.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:19 pm
by MT03ALG
If I were Nuno I would ask for Mason every game. His two main mistakes both favoured Wolves:
1. The penalty which was simply a dive by Silva who should have been shown a yellow card.
2. The stamp by Moutinho who should have been shown a red card.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:50 pm
by Colburn_Claret
Somethingfishy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:09 pm
In general a good game from Mason but that is judging from the incredibly low standards he has set himself refereeing our games. I disagree with some on here thinking he was outstanding. He made some odd decisions but for once we got a non controversial game out of him.
That's all you ask for really, from any referee, just a controversial free game.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:53 pm
by Colburn_Claret
Spike wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:15 pm
Bad loser our Santos!
Listening to his comments at the time, and replayed since, I don't think he was saying Mason cost Wolves a result, just that Mason is a poor referee, and it's hard for all the players when he is in charge.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:30 pm
by Ashingtonclaret46
Lee Mason has only refereed Wolves 5 times since Nuno took over in 2017/18.
Twice in 2018/19 when they lost to Watford and then beat Everton.
Once last season in the FA Cup against Villa when they fielded a very weakened team and lost.
This season he has refereed them against Newcastle when they had 63% possession, 16 shots but with just 3 on target and scored 1 goal which was not enough to secure a win because Newcastle had just 5 shots with 2 on target and also scored 1 goal.
Compare last night with 64% possession, 15 shots with just 3 on target and scored 1 goal but they could not beat the lowly Clarets!
I am sure that Portuguese managers must go on a 'deflection' course ---only to be used in emergency if you don't win against Burnley
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:49 pm
by bfcmatt
Looks like Nuno could be in a bit of bother for his outburst.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... Mason.html
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:09 pm
by tiger76
Must be facing at least a heavy fine, if it not a touchline ban. it never rains but it pours Nuno.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:48 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Surely the other clubs in the league will be getting in touch with the FA saying if we have to have Lee Mason then so do Wolves
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:29 am
by claptrappers_union
I hear VAR telling refs to delay the restart for noticeable checks.
Attwell though on Monday was telling Mason to delay as he was double-checking a lot of things - more regularly than most. The checks were complete within a few seconds but Mason had to tell players when to continue play.
So I can see how it could spoil the flow of the game
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:05 pm
by Swizzlestick
£25,000 fine and a warning.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:37 pm
by tiger76
Lucky boy to escape a touchline ban, the fine is a pittance.
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
by Spike
Come on lads get a grip! I don’t like Nuno , he’s a very bad loser who at the best of times is up his own backside
Should have been fined more and a ban
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:39 pm
by Duffer_
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:21 pm
Just been discussing this on twitter. I tend to agree with NES on this, and I firmly believe that Lee Mason is a benefit to your team if you're defending a lead. NES said " It is not about the crucial mistake or decisions, it is about how he handles the game."
I agree with him, and some of my logic is
1) I feel Mason is a naive referee. He falls into every trap that players set. Cynical fouls, are followed up by a word from him, then he blows the whistle, slows the game down and lets the defensive team to set up and take all the momentum out of the attacking team. See Jay Rod foul, the foul on the Wolves lad who crashed into Mee, and I think a foul from Brady left centre mid (It might have been Brownhill).
2) His clarity of communication is poor. He was waving play on when Westwood kicked the ball away, then booked him because he'd pulled the game up for a free kick the other way. He hadn't signalled it.
3) He doesn't do anything to deal with the game management, and slowing down of the game in the latter stages. It's admirable that Nick Pope put so much effort into trying to convince the referee that he was going to dink it to a full back, then take an age over a goal kick downfield, but imagine Burnley were chasing the game, and the opposition team were doing that - how would you feel then?
I think his game management is the worst of any premier league referee.
I'll blow your trumpet again dande, so to speak
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:43 pm
by Herts Clarets
What an absolute mess he has made of this game. I'm not 100% sure what her was thinking. Or indeed if he was thinking at all.....
Re: Lee Mason
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:45 pm
by ksrclaret
Showing why more than one club have publicly requested he should not referee their games.
He is simply not fit and can’t do the job.
