CP have 17 players entering their last 6 months of playing contract with some big names included, wonder what issues there are behind the scenes?

20 according to this, expire by June 2021... https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/crystal ... verein/873

Id take a coupla them

All is not right at that club from what you hear.

I believe the present owners want out

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:53 am

I believe the present owners want out

I believe so but they went down this route of bringing in American owners but keeping the original chairman and I'm sure there has been a clash.

The one player we should be chasing on that list is Mitchell the 20 year old left back. He’s a really good player and would be great back up for Taylor long term.

Crazy when you look at some of those names, will be on 50k a week and dont ever play

McCarthy has been linked with us I think

Oldest squad in the premier league.

Legs can go pretty quickly so best not to over commit to the players

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:47 am

All is not right at that club from what you hear.

Bad news for them, potentially good news for us - Palace are one of very few clubs where I think it's a reasonable possibility both that they would offer Sean Dyche a job, and that he would take it. But not if they're in shambles with no players, and I don't think he would want to step into an owenership/chairman dispute!!

Crikey! Look at the ages of that squad. I thought ours was bad.

Also, I can’t believe Connor Wickham is still only 27. I remember him bursting onto the scene as the next big thing what seems like at least 20 years ago.

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:22 am

Crikey! Look at the ages of that squad. I thought ours was bad.

Also, I can’t believe Connor Wickham is still only 27. I remember him bursting onto the scene as the next big thing what seems like at least 20 years ago.

started playing at around 17

Claretforever wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:22 am

Crikey! Look at the ages of that squad. I thought ours was bad.

Also, I can’t believe Connor Wickham is still only 27. I remember him bursting onto the scene as the next big thing what seems like at least 20 years ago.

Goes with the oldest manager in the league too

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:21 am

Bad news for them, potentially good news for us - Palace are one of very few clubs where I think it's a reasonable possibility both that they would offer Sean Dyche a job, and that he would take it. But not if they're in shambles with no players, and I don't think he would want to step into an owenership/chairman dispute!!

Can we get over this myth/obsession that Dyche would go to/or be chased by an average club.

He’s proven he’s a top manager, in the worlds best league. On top of this he is hugely ambitious and feels he has the ability to match his ambition.

Dyche will go to a club he feels would best suit his career. At the moment that’s Burnley, in the future that could be another club. The only club I’m worried about currently is Leicester should they lose Brendan.

The takeover is obviously a huge plus for Dyche and his team, but one day we will lose him, and it will be upwards.

Any whispers about incomings this window, DJW ?

That is an old squad in need of a serious revamp and potentially a new manager in the summer.

Would take Schlupp who would offer something different to McNeil on the left and allow him to have a rest from time to time. 28 so a 3 year contract would be just fine.

How is Connor Wickham still only 27???

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:01 pm

Any whispers about incomings this window, DJW ?

Jones is the only one I’ve known about.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am

Can we get over this myth/obsession that Dyche would go to/or be chased by an average club.

Dyche has been signalling "come and get me" since last Spring. If someone like Palace or Newcastle had approached him to manage them in the last few months, bearing in mind Dyche's obvious falling out with Garlick, I would have been surprised if he hadn't gone.

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:15 pm

Dyche has been signalling "come and get me" since last Spring. If someone like Palace or Newcastle had approached him to manage them in the last few months, bearing in mind Dyche's obvious falling out with Garlick, I would have been surprised if he hadn't gone.

Dyche has been planning a exit strategy based on:

His falling out with the Chairman, which was total.

And

The impending takeover and if he was being retained.

That’s just good personal management.


He won’t go to a similar status team, when he goes he will go to a contender to break into the top 10/6 or get one of the top jobs. He is a top manager.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am

Can we get over this myth/obsession that Dyche would go to/or be chased by an average club.

He’s proven he’s a top manager, in the worlds best league. On top of this he is hugely ambitious and feels he has the ability to match his ambition.

Dyche will go to a club he feels would best suit his career. At the moment that’s Burnley, in the future that could be another club. The only club I’m worried about currently is Leicester should they lose Brendan.

The takeover is obviously a huge plus for Dyche and his team, but one day we will lose him, and it will be upwards.

If Rodgers was to leave, I’d be amazed if they went for Dyche. I’m not suggesting they shouldn’t just that I can’t see it happening.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:20 pm

If Rodgers was to leave, I’d be amazed if they went for Dyche. I’m not suggesting they shouldn’t just that I can’t see it happening.

I would say there is practically no chance of Leicester signing Dyche currently.

There playing style completely contrasts Dyche.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:25 pm

I would say there is practically no chance of Leicester signing Dyche currently.

There playing style completely contrasts Dyche.

That, in a nutshell, is what I think may hold Dyche back. Perhaps, if he has more to spend under ALK, we may see a gradual adjustment in playing style.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:25 pm

I would say there is practically no chance of Leicester signing Dyche currently.

There playing style completely contrasts Dyche.

This is the problem with most fans, you’re judging his ability as a manager in his current limitations.

He’s pragmatic, he understands football, and he understands the limitations of his squad and the club. This manifests itself as the performances we see week in week out.

He’s a fantastic manager, with a fantastic back room staff. They could manage at ANY club and change the way they set up a team.

I don't see a top 6 side, and not even a top 10 side going for him, due to him not yet managing a side to play better football. Like mentioned, if he gets a bit to spend and gets us playing better and finishing in the table well, that's when he'll be more appealing.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am

Can we get over this myth/obsession that Dyche would go to/or be chased by an average club.

He’s proven he’s a top manager, in the worlds best league. On top of this he is hugely ambitious and feels he has the ability to match his ambition.

Dyche will go to a club he feels would best suit his career. At the moment that’s Burnley, in the future that could be another club. The only club I’m worried about currently is Leicester should they lose Brendan.

The takeover is obviously a huge plus for Dyche and his team, but one day we will lose him, and it will be upwards.

I think an "upwards" team will have to want him first. Can't see it myself.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:34 pm

This is the problem with most fans, you’re judging his ability as a manager in his current limitations.

He’s pragmatic, he understands football, and he understands the limitations of his squad and the club. This manifests itself as the performances we see week in week out.

He’s a fantastic manager, with a fantastic back room staff. They could manage at ANY club and change the way they set up a team.

No, it’s the problem with those recruiting managers. He’s a great manager and may well easily adjust to a new style but I don’t see many at the higher end taking that risk.

That’s why I believe that having a bit more to spend with us could actually benefit Dyche longer term, assuming he adapts the style of play.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:34 pm

This is the problem with most fans, you’re judging his ability as a manager in his current limitations.

He’s pragmatic, he understands football, and he understands the limitations of his squad and the club. This manifests itself as the performances we see week in week out.

He’s a fantastic manager, with a fantastic back room staff. They could manage at ANY club and change the way they set up a team.

Daniel if no decent club has recruited Dyche when he was at his peak (after qualification into Europe) what makes you think they will now?

Leicester will no doubt be chasing Tuchel, Nagelsman or even Gerrard before they consider Dyche.

It’s not just playing style it is Ethos, Dyche has been excellent when he has full control of a club from academy to first team. At Leicester he would be the first team manager with very little say on transfers or the way the club is being ran.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:34 pm

This is the problem with most fans, you’re judging his ability as a manager in his current limitations.

He’s pragmatic, he understands football, and he understands the limitations of his squad and the club. This manifests itself as the performances we see week in week out.

He’s a fantastic manager, with a fantastic back room staff. They could manage at ANY club and change the way they set up a team.

It isn't, as that's all you can currently judge him on. Anything else is presumptions and hope.

There's nothing at all to suggest he could manage any club and change the way he gets his team playing, because he's not yet done it. It would be based on confidence.

Which is why if he gets more money to spend, and gets us playing better football, along with of course keeping us in a health league position, that's when more eyebrows will be raised from the bigger clubs.

All successful managers have a style of play and Dyches is most certainly not the Leicester style

I would like us to play a little more free flowing football, but if Dyche tried to turn us into a Leicester it would end in disaster for us and him

Seems people have short memories and have forgotten about Defour being here.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:44 pm

Seems people have short memories and have forgotten about Defour being here.

Our football was decent but it wasn’t anywhere near the style that clubs like Leicester want from a manager. We played a rigid 442/4411 with a lot 1-0 wins. That just isn’t what big clubs want nowadays, they want attractive all out attack football. Hence why Bielsa is getting so much praise for achieving so little.

I would actually go as far as saying Bielsa will walk into any club in the prem ahead of Dyche, purely down to playing style. That’s how fickle the league is.

Wasn't it last season Palace had one of the top 20 wage bills in the whole of Europe? That can't last, when you're never even getting Europa league.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:53 pm

Our football was decent but it wasn’t anywhere near the style that clubs like Leicester want from a manager. We played a rigid 442/4411 with a lot 1-0 wins. That just isn’t what big clubs want nowadays, they want attractive all out attack football. Hence why Bielsa is getting so much praise for achieving so little.

I would actually go as far as saying Bielsa will walk into any club in the prem ahead of Dyche, purely down to playing style. That’s how fickle the league is.

Dyche introduced a better quality player and changed our style was the point.

If he had the resources and backing to introduce more better quality players then our style would change.

Yes I know there's been a massive media **** fest over bielsa, resulting in him being nominated for Fifa manager of the year , but they're shipping nearly as many goals as they're scoring, he's similar to Howe in that respect.

How to get to criticising Dyche from Crystal Palace player contracts in the fewest moves

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:44 pm

Seems people have short memories and have forgotten about Defour being here.

Ah !! Defour

There will be some people having orgasms just thinking about that

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:22 pm

Ah !! Defour

There will be some people having orgasms just thinking about that

Not really, but equally we don't forget the difference just one quality player made because we aren't trying to dismiss what our manager has done.

I believe Dyche will go on to manage a top team. On the most limited budget, he has had Burnley in the Premier League for 6 out of the past 7 seasons. The one season out of those 7 that he wasn't in the Premier League, he was busy winning the Championship with a side that were joint top scorers, second tightest defence and went half a season unbeaten. That to me says a Manager who knows what he is doing and how to make the most out of the resources at his disposal. I heard many a doom monger when he took over from Eddie Howe and immediately put an end to the need to score 3 goals every game just to get a point. My response at the time was i am encouraged that he straight away identified the weaknesses within the side and style of play and set about rectifying it. Judge him at the end of next season when he has had time to bring in his own players and develop his way of playing. We won promotion to the Premier League at the end of that season.

Would he be able to adapt to a different style of play with better players at his disposal? Given his track record, i am damned sure he would, though as ever it remains conjecture until such time as either we are in a position to afford a better class of player or he joins a club that can.

If they continue to pay ridiculous amounts and wages for players like Benteke who every game he plays looks a fish out of water, like a competition prizewinner.

I assume Hodgson does not have the same clout at Palace that SD has enjoyed here

In which case someone else has agreed all of these contracts and maybe the new owners there have said enough is enough and are prepared to let some very expensive contracts run down to start again

You couldn't blame them for that

And I would expect they would prefer a younger, forward thinking manager to oversee any change

So that's Dyche out of the frame

Only joking !!!!

Would not be surprised to see Thomas Frank joining the Premier League next season whether Brentford go up or not

Interesting thing to note about Palace.

Despite all that money they pay out in wages, their highest ever PL finish is 10th and they've done that only once.

We spend less and we've have x2 finishes 10th or higher

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:08 pm

Dyche introduced a better quality player and changed our style was the point.

If he had the resources and backing to introduce more better quality players then our style would change.

Yes I know there's been a massive media **** fest over bielsa, resulting in him being nominated for Fifa manager of the year , but they're shipping nearly as many goals as they're scoring, he's similar to Howe in that respect.

How did our style change? Defour literally only played like 20 games that season. We still played 442 and tried to get a lead and hold it.

Dyche is absolutely fantastic for Burnley and I don’t think there is a manager in world football that could have done the same.
But I also think Burnley are a rare club that have supported Dyche. There has been a couple of occasions where Dyche would most likely have been sacked at any other club. Burnley allow Dyche to imprint his ethos, of hearts legs mind.

Anyone that thinks Dyche would go to Leicester and them scoring 3 goals a game is just naive.

His style is 442 with a strong defensive shape and it will always be regardless of quality of player.

Similar to mourinho, he will always play a form of 433 with a strong defensive shape.

Sadly manager likes them are a dieing breed. Hence why I believe the likes of Gerrard, Bielsa, Nagelsman etc.... will all be considered for top prem jobs well before Dyche.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:05 pm

How did our style change? Defour literally only played like 20 games that season. We still played 442 and tried to get a lead and hold it.

Dyche is absolutely fantastic for Burnley and I don’t think there is a manager in world football that could have done the same.
But I also think Burnley are a rare club that have supported Dyche. There has been a couple of occasions where Dyche would most likely have been sacked at any other club. Burnley allow Dyche to imprint his ethos, of hearts legs mind.

Anyone that thinks Dyche would go to Leicester and them scoring 3 goals a game is just naive.

His style is 442 with a strong defensive shape and it will always be regardless of quality of player.

Similar to mourinho, he will always play a form of 433 with a strong defensive shape.

Sadly manager likes them are a dieing breed. Hence why I believe the likes of Gerrard, Bielsa, Nagelsman etc.... will all be considered for top prem jobs well before Dyche.

I'm not going over old ground again, you've always been perfectly clear that you have no belief in what Dyche did with Defour or what he could potentially do with more money.
That's fine, I get it and I'm not going to waste my time with you on this subject.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:11 pm

I'm not going over old ground again, you've always been perfectly clear that you have no belief in what Dyche did with Defour or what he could potentially do with more money.
That's fine, I get it and I'm not going to waste my time with you on this subject.

Fair enough. I think he would do better at Burnley with more money because the club is built around him. I just don’t think he would change his playing style

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:05 pm

How did our style change? Defour literally only played like 20 games that season. We still played 442 and tried to get a lead and hold it.

The season when Defour played so well was 2017/18 when we didn't play 442 - we played more 451 or 4411 with Hendrick as the attacking midfield player.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:39 pm

The season when Defour played so well was 2017/18 when we didn't play 442 - we played more 451 or 4411 with Hendrick as the attacking midfield player.

Wasnt that the same season when a lot of fans didn't understand what Hendrick was doing?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:39 pm

The season when Defour played so well was 2017/18 when we didn't play 442 - we played more 451 or 4411 with Hendrick as the attacking midfield player.

I mentioned it in the first post.

Not exactly change of style though Tony is it. Sam Vokes and Barnes still played 66 out of a possible 76 premier league games that season.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:25 pm

I would say there is practically no chance of Leicester signing Dyche currently.

There playing style completely contrasts Dyche.

What is this ******** about SDs playing style. He plays the way he does with the players he has at his disposal. Look at the football and the goals in our two promotion years. Better players in a worse league and we played some lovely stuff. Better players in the PL he would do the same.