Sean Dyche and Alan Pace

[lewishamclaret]

Early days, but I can imagine these two hitting it off and there being a mutual respect....

Dyche simply wants to “stretch the finances” from time to time, building on the squad he’s got and without upsetting the team ethos. I think he would have run down his contract and walked under Mike Garlick, but ultimately he gets a real sense of accomplishment from what he’s doing at Burnley, and rightly so. We’re a club rooted in our community, humble, hard working and with passionate fans. Dyche is galvanising all that through his inspirational leadership qualities.

Alan Pace has the finance background, is a seemingly clever and affable guy who has the freedom to look at things through fresh eyes and bring lots of enthusiasm and ideas. He is probably prepared to be less conservative in the transfer market without paying silly money, and has ideas to develop the club’s revenue streams in order to do so. He talks about values, integrity and community, and seems to be fascinated by football. And he’s happy to work with the old guard who can tell him when things aren’t going to work.

Early days. But it could all work, you know...

[djemba-djemba]

Imagine if the old board had got to this stage of the window without bringing anyone in.....

[lewishamclaret]

Yep, agree, it isn’t easy. I’m not criticising the Garlick era at all- ultimately he and the rest of the board worked wonders over a sustained period of time. But I think we will get more backing in the market under Alan Pace when finance is needed. It just ain’t a great time for buying players at the moment.

[northeastclaret]

‘It just ain’t a great time for buying players at the moment’.

For us it hasn’t been for several transfer windows now, and apart from nice words and visions and being an affable guy . The next three days we will see if Pace can translate some of his words into actions.

At the moment it seems to be that financially we will be in a worse position than under the previous board, this transfer window will be a good indication of whether this is true or not.

[BleedingClaret]

Quoted “Early days, but I can imagine these two hitting it off and there being a mutual respect....”

Hitting it off - No
Mutual respect - Maybe - but likely 1 way
Words without actions will suffice for a very limited time

[jackmiggins]

Pretty sure that SD’s wish is to ‘strengthen’ the squad to fit in or gradually increase the quality. Most marque players wouldn’t do this - most likely that they would unsettle the dressing room and bu**er off in a couple of years. He clearly just needs to bring in younger talent (perhaps with an old head), but agents will have been pushing all fees as far as they can. Seems obvious to me that more reasonable prices can only be achieved as late as possible in these ridiculous ‘windows’.

[fatboy47]

Imagine an agent getting the best deals he can for himself and his client.

Absolute b*stards.

[northeastclaret]

I thought we bought players off other clubs not agents and negotiated the transfer fee with them and once a fee agreed we then have to agree wages with the player following the clubs permission.

Is AP implying we have actually got that far?

[Hipper]

Dyche simply wants to “stretch the finances” from time to time.....

There's nothing simple about that. Effectively you mean use money that isn't there.

[Colburn_Claret]

Just said on FF, that we have had bids put in, but nothing come off yet.
Obviously no mention of who or how much, but I can't see him saying it unless it was true.
When it comes to acquiring players, there is no magic wand, just a lot of hard work.

[gtclaret]

All Premiership clubs are finding this window difficult, I think that there has been only 5 transfers so far. The fact is that because covid could render 2,3 or 4 players unavailable at a stroke, clubs are unwilling to release any of their squad players let alone first choice players. There is no panic we have almost a fully fit squad and not much more to do to get the required points

[RalphCoatesComb]

Imagine if the old board had got to this stage of the window without bringing anyone in.....

Very difficult times for everyone. I guess this will be the "Window that never was" for many.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Early days, but I can imagine these two hitting it off and there being a mutual respect....

Dyche simply wants to “stretch the finances” from time to time, building on the squad he’s got and without upsetting the team ethos. I think he would have run down his contract and walked under Mike Garlick, but ultimately he gets a real sense of accomplishment from what he’s doing at Burnley, and rightly so. We’re a club rooted in our community, humble, hard working and with passionate fans. Dyche is galvanising all that through his inspirational leadership qualities.

Alan Pace has the finance background, is a seemingly clever and affable guy who has the freedom to look at things through fresh eyes and bring lots of enthusiasm and ideas. He is probably prepared to be less conservative in the transfer market without paying silly money, and has ideas to develop the club’s revenue streams in order to do so. He talks about values, integrity and community, and seems to be fascinated by football. And he’s happy to work with the old guard who can tell him when things aren’t going to work.

Early days. But it could all work, you know...

For as much as you are praising Pace for being “less conservative” in the transfer window, this could be the first transfer window we haven’t signed anyone for ages.

[lewishamclaret]

I’m not sure, however, that AP should have said he wouldn’t mind Sean being our manager for the next 20-30 years in his latest interview! Sean’s wonderful, but can he keep the dream going for that long?

[BurnleyFC]

Imagine if the old board had got to this stage of the window without bringing anyone in.....

They did. Multiple times over multiple windows.

[bfccrazy]

They did. Multiple times over multiple windows.

Think the point being made was how would fans be reacting to the old board doing it.

[BOYSIE31]

Dyche has got his way by offering 4 more extra contracts even though they are in their 30's - would not have happened under Garlick

[Chester Perry]

Dyche has got his way by offering 4 more extra contracts even though they are in their 30's - would not have happened under Garlick

far from convinced by that, though the old regime may not have given 2 year contracts, given the steady trickle of new contracts this year, it is noticeable that this tranche all came when our chances of staying in the league looked more secure. - When managing a tight wage budget there has to be a space freed up to allow new players - you can use reserves of cash for transfer fees but you should not use them for paying out standard operating costs. This is where Covid killed our summer activity, the downturn in forecast revenues for this season also forced the downturn in wage budget, preventing us from signing 1st team ready players without letting one of ours out of the building. Pre-covid I would say we were on course for at least 2 £10m+ signings, given the outgoing players wages and the increase in revenue from the new tv deal. All the revenue uplift has gone and we are now operating on revenue forecasts that may be as low as £115m - £120m

[BurnleyFC]

Think the point being made was how would fans be reacting to the old board doing it.

I understand that, but most people’s frustrations with the outgoing board were because of a combination of multiple poor transfer windows, coupled with a deafening silence on the media front.

It’s not fair to start having a pop at this board for a lack of incomings so soon into their tenure.

[DomBFC1882]

I understand that, but most people’s frustrations with the outgoing board were because of a combination of multiple poor transfer windows, coupled with a deafening silence on the media front.

It’s not fair to start having a pop at this board for a lack of incomings so soon into their tenure.

It is after the comments they made when they come in.

They surely knew after months of negotiations that the transfer windows are tough but yet they still sounded bullish. If the offers for Collins etc should be believed then it's definitely not as they promised

[Papabendi]

I think sadly the bald truth of this latest window is that Dyche may feel his future is elsewhere if the opportunity arises as clearly not a lot has changed other than perhaps he has a better initial working relationship with Pace than he did by the end with Garlick. Like all of us, Dyche will have been looking for where the land now lies and what has changed. Unless there is a miracle tomorrow, it is looking like nothing has changed.

It is OK for the new board to say Dyche can be here as long as he wants, part of the bargain is he needs to be backed. It is not looking like there is cash to do that, perhaps there is now even less.

We are walking a tightrope now in terms of the future of the club. Just depends which part breaks first.

[ClaretTony]

Very difficult times for everyone. I guess this will be the "Window that never was" for many.

Looking that way. Sky might be set for an almost nothing day tomorrow.

[djemba-djemba]

I understand that, but most people’s frustrations with the outgoing board were because of a combination of multiple poor transfer windows, coupled with a deafening silence on the media front.

It’s not fair to start having a pop at this board for a lack of incomings so soon into their tenure.

I’d hazard a guess that the frustrations were largely about the lack of signings rather than the deafening silence on the media front.

Yes, Pace gives interviews but at the end of the day he’s not signing players. I’d much rather not be hearing from him and getting a couple of players through the door.

What ****** me off more than anything that last window was how Dyche acted like a complete baby in every interview he did for weeks on end. If Pace doesn’t bring anyone in this window is Dyche going to start moaning like he did about Garlick?

[RalphCoatesComb]

Looking that way. Sky might be set for an almost nothing day tomorrow.

I'm sure they'll find something and someone to hype up

[ClaretTony]

I'm sure they'll find something and someone to hype up

They might have to wheel out ‘Arry leaning through his car window.

[jrgbfc]

I think even Sky will struggle to hype deadline day up tomorrow!

[ClaretDiver]

So...as I have read it, there have only been 6, yes 6 signings in total across the PL and we are complaining once again.....bizarre!

[ClaretTony]

So...as I have read it, there have only been 6, yes 6 signings in total across the PL and we are complaining once again.....bizarre!

14 in total but that includes our signing of a lad who played for the youth team yesterday.

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[ClaretDiver]

14 in total but that includes our signing of a lad who played for the youth team yesterday.

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Thanks Tony, I read six....my bad!

[jojomk1]

Dyche has got his way by offering 4 more extra contracts even though they are in their 30's - would not have happened under Garlick

And this is one of the areas where I could see some difference of opinion between Pace and Dyche in the not so distant future

For some years now the club hierarchy have been banging on about the need for BFC to grow their own talent. The last 2/3 years especially we have seen a big influx of U23's and younger players coming into the club. Pace himself has alluded to the same desire

The stumbling block to that plan is that Dyche himself does not trust youngsters - McNeill only got his chance because of injuries and the same for Benson

Hence his insistence that new contracts should be offered to our "OAP's"

If would not have escaped Mr Pace that there had been a complete breakdown between Garlick and SD on this matter and I guess the Chairman agreed to the latest contract offers so that he did not start his tenure with the same arguments

Does anyone really think we will be signing the young lad Collins to go straight into the starting 11

Even if, as likely, Tarks goes this summer, I would expect Long to be starting before someone of the age of Collins at the start of next season

[DomBFC1882]

So...as I have read it, there have only been 6, yes 6 signings in total across the PL and we are complaining once again.....bizarre!

But most clubs had a good summer window .... we didn't

[randomclaret2]

But most clubs had a good summer window .... we didn't

Precisely...we cant use use other clubs not doing much business as reason for us doing nothing again

[BurnleyFC]

I’d hazard a guess that the frustrations were largely about the lack of signings rather than the deafening silence on the media front.

Yes, Pace gives interviews but at the end of the day he’s not signing players. I’d much rather not be hearing from him and getting a couple of players through the door.

What ****** me off more than anything that last window was how Dyche acted like a complete baby in every interview he did for weeks on end. If Pace doesn’t bring anyone in this window is Dyche going to start moaning like he did about Garlick?

I would certainly agree with your last paragraph, re: Dyche, and think we all know the answer as to how he’ll ‘behave’ with Alan Pace - he’ll toe the line unless he feels he’s being stitched up again.

I think the Danny Drinkwater disaster was a major reason behind the fall out, but still agreed with Dyche to a large extent. Even so, football must be the only business where you can openly snipe and take the **** out of your bosses and get away with it.

[Papabendi]

And this is one of the areas where I could see some difference of opinion between Pace and Dyche in the not so distant future

For some years now the club hierarchy have been banging on about the need for BFC to grow their own talent. The last 2/3 years especially we have seen a big influx of U23's and younger players coming into the club. Pace himself has alluded to the same desire

The stumbling block to that plan is that Dyche himself does not trust youngsters - McNeill only got his chance because of injuries and the same for Benson

Hence his insistence that new contracts should be offered to our "OAP's"




You could argue that actually this plays into a strategy of promoting youth to come through if it exists in certain positions - cheaper to extend current players and see their tenures at BFC naturally while players come though. A bigger locker would be signing even more players on expensive sign on fees and longer contracts on top of players we already have.

[ClaretTony]

But most clubs had a good summer window .... we didn't

That's been and gone - previous ownership, previous chairman. This window is difficult, the manager has got what he wanted with the contract issued. Move forwards.

[ClaretTony]

And this is one of the areas where I could see some difference of opinion between Pace and Dyche in the not so distant future

For some years now the club hierarchy have been banging on about the need for BFC to grow their own talent. The last 2/3 years especially we have seen a big influx of U23's and younger players coming into the club. Pace himself has alluded to the same desire

The stumbling block to that plan is that Dyche himself does not trust youngsters - McNeill only got his chance because of injuries and the same for Benson

Hence his insistence that new contracts should be offered to our "OAP's"

If would not have escaped Mr Pace that there had been a complete breakdown between Garlick and SD on this matter and I guess the Chairman agreed to the latest contract offers so that he did not start his tenure with the same arguments

Does anyone really think we will be signing the young lad Collins to go straight into the starting 11

Even if, as likely, Tarks goes this summer, I would expect Long to be starting before someone of the age of Collins at the start of next season

You seem to be able to read Dyche's mind - how do you know he doesn't trust youngsters? I've seen no evidence of that at all because we've had a lack of youngsters coming through.

[DomBFC1882]

That's been and gone - previous ownership, previous chairman. This window is difficult, the manager has got what he wanted with the contract issued. Move forwards.

That's exactly the point Tony. How many windows have been and gone without us improving the starting 11? Far to many.

[DomBFC1882]

That's been and gone - previous ownership, previous chairman. This window is difficult, the manager has got what he wanted with the contract issued. Move forwards.

Also that’s not true is it because if it was we wouldn't be bidding for players.

That clearly shows he wants players which yet again we are failing to get across the line

[jojomk1]

I've seen no evidence of that at all because we've had a lack of youngsters coming through.

Exactly

[jojomk1]

You seem to be able to read Dyche's mind - how do you know he doesn't trust youngsters?

Given it before as a classic example

Norwich last season two up and playing 9 men

5 or 6 youngsters on the bench and he wouldn't give a single one of them the chance to get even 5 mins of Prem League experience

Defend that CT

[Papabendi]

is that why Mumbongo came on today?

[DomBFC1882]

Given it before as a classic example

Norwich last season two up and playing 9 men

5 or 6 youngsters on the bench and he wouldn't give a single one of them the chance to get even 5 mins of Prem League experience

Defend that CT

I think its blatantly obvious he's the one manager in the league who trusts the youngsters least. Klopp, pep, nuno, ole, Dean Smith, Scott Parker etc etc all trust youngsters and show that by their team selections or the subs they make

[DCWat]

Yeah, defend that jojomk1

[DomBFC1882]

is that why Mumbongo came on today?

Why didn't he come on for Wood then if he trusts him so much? The game was gone and Dyche knew it

[Papabendi]

well he didnt need to come on at all in fairness - but he did.

[DomBFC1882]

well he didnt need to come on at all in fairness - but he did.

He come on because we had nothing to lose and were getting beat comfortably. That hardly shows confidence in youngsters. If he consistently came on then you'd have a point

[Papabendi]

you cant have it both ways - the fact is he was given a chance for a decent number of minutes in the game. if he wasn't trusted he simply would be nowhere near the team

[DomBFC1882]

you cant have it both ways - the fact is he was given a chance for a decent number of minutes in the game. if he wasn't trusted he simply would be nowhere near the team

How is it having it both ways? One swallow doesn't make a summer you know.

So you are saying he gives the same amount of chances to youth as other premier league managers do?

[Papabendi]

No clue. Don't really care about other clubs. This season he has brought Benson in and around it. Mumbongo, Dunne and Thomas have all been involved as well as Glennon.

Are these players all world beaters because I must be missing something.

[DomBFC1882]

you cant have it both ways - the fact is he was given a chance for a decent number of minutes in the game. if he wasn't trusted he simply would be nowhere near the team

Giving one youngster 15 minutes for one game this season doesn't mean that he trusts youngsters.

There's got to be some criteria for the words "trusting youth" in terms of minutes, starts etc for that to apply