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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:43 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:59 am
I would never see anyone losing their job as “good news”. I just want us to do better as a club and people refuse to see that gambling is so heavily associated with mental health. What happened to banning in-game betting adverts? Have you noticed that they’ve started to creep back in? This because betting firms completely prey on the vulnerable. I know five people who are associated with the betting industry. Two have left the profession and don’t agree with the harm it’s causing; one doesn’t agree with me and two remain in the profession but don’t like the way things are heading. The stories they’ve told about luring in gamblers with incentives, even though they’ve capped their fronting or put time-outs on their account, are frightening.

It’s a good debate to have but sadly, there’s a core of fans that cannot make the connection between the over-saturation taking place and mental health.

I have challenged each of these people with the following when discussing Burnley’s relationship with gambling (I have also challenged two current employees of the club; one of who insists there’s ‘no harm in it’):

If a huge porn website offered a few £8 million per season, as opposed to our current £7.5 million shirt sponsorship, would you happily support the club in accepting the sponsorship and would you buy the shirt?

Betting and porn.... both can be ‘enjoyed’ by 18s and over, legally.

Neither should be ‘enjoyed’ by under 18s.

Both can lead to addiction and possibly (money loss).

Both can be damaging to relationships.

Both can be damaging to mental health.

The response, nine times out of ten is ‘absolutely not, they’re two totally different things (there’s ‘shame’ associated with porn) etc...’

People just don’t see it!!!

People used to have to go into town to place a bet; now they’re being almost forced to (see Ladbrokes officials on the upper Longside last season, literally pulling people on the shoulder, during conversations, telling people ‘You’re gonna have s bet today, aren’t you?’


It’s just not good enough. It needs to stop and we need to become a better and more ethical club for our future fans. I’m not saying people can’t have a bet, of course they can, but place it outside the ground....or if we have to go down this road, just rely on one sponsor.... (see the 21 different endorsements counted inside the ground last season during a single one minute period).

Remove the saturation; be better; it’s achievable.
And the man of the match sponsored by Benedictine is fine?

And selling a pie and a pint alongside crisps and chocolate is fine?

And a smoking area where kids enter and exit is fine?

I accept gambling can have bad outcomes. But so can crossing the road.

There’s a time where people have to take some personal responsibility.

I enjoy a bet. Hate smoking. Don’t mind a pint. None have ever ruined my life.

Crossing the road almost did though and I ended up in hospital for three months. If only they banned cars and roads...
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by TsarBomba » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:06 pm

Our commercial income is so small, and operating margins so fine, that we simply can’t sniff at the deal with LoveBet.

I’d love us to have ‘Pendleside Hospice’ or another charity blazoned across the shirt, but we’re not Barcelona, and it ain’t going to happen.

I admire Jdrobbo’s passion for this, but there are so many moral stands you could make with football, and gambling is just one of them.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:11 pm

Thanks for this post claptrappers. I found it interesting that you believe I’ve led a very sheltered life, but these are your opinions so I will duly take them on board.

For the record, I have experienced all of the aforementioned things within this thread, with the exception of smoking. I’ve never gone near a cigarette and I’m okay about that. Gambling, I’ve been doing it since I was in year eight, gambling with the bus driver on the way to school. I opened my first online account when I got a card and gambled online for 17 years. In total I lost just over £320, but I’d had enough, could see what it was doing to my mental health and could see where it could further leave. I considered it a lucky escape.

Interestingly, both you and Dan have contributed heavily on this thread. I have a lot of respect for both of you and indeed, consider Dan to be a friend as I know him personally. He disagrees with me, I have no issue with that and I would never try and belittle him with personal comparisons. I have always found Fan to pay me the same respect.

The same goes to you. You don’t like my opinion and that’s okay. The difference being, I feel like I have respected what you have had to say. I thought you had more class than to offer comments such as those. Best wishes.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:23 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:11 pm
Thanks for this post claptrappers. I found it interesting that you believe I’ve led a very sheltered life, but these are your opinions so I will duly take them on board.

For the record, I have experienced all of the aforementioned things within this thread, with the exception of smoking. I’ve never gone near a cigarette and I’m okay about that. Gambling, I’ve been doing it since I was in year eight, gambling with the bus driver on the way to school. I opened my first online account when I got a card and gambled online for 17 years. In total I lost just over £320, but I’d had enough, could see what it was doing to my mental health and could see where it could further leave. I considered it a lucky escape.

Interestingly, both you and Dan have contributed heavily on this thread. I have a lot of respect for both of you and indeed, consider Dan to be a friend as I know him personally. He disagrees with me, I have no issue with that and I would never try and belittle him with personal comparisons. I have always found Fan to pay me the same respect.

The same goes to you. You don’t like my opinion and that’s okay. The difference being, I feel like I have respected what you have had to say. I thought you had more class than to offer comments such as those. Best wishes.
Yeah, I was out of order, I deleted the post while you were replying.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:24 pm

Fair enough. Thanks for that. Take care. UTC

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:28 pm

It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but when I read it back after I posted it, it came across the other way.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:31 pm

It’s fine, really. Have a good evening.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:43 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:06 pm
Our commercial income is so small, and operating margins so fine, that we simply can’t sniff at the deal with LoveBet.

I’d love us to have ‘Pendleside Hospice’ or another charity blazoned across the shirt, but we’re not Barcelona, and it ain’t going to happen.

I admire Jdrobbo’s passion for this, but there are so many moral stands you could make with football, and gambling is just one of them.
Barcelona did the Unicef deal to placate the membership so that Qatar would not be the first ever name on the shirt, it was a political move on so very many levels, and extremely profitable, paid for by Qatar
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:16 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:01 pm
Didn't Burnley develop an I Pie app in the past, or am I imagining that?
I think this bloke was behind it
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:18 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:06 pm
What is more or less certain is that when fans return the club will be looking to significantly raise the level of matchday spend by those attending games - it is one of the things that clearly differentiates America and Europe. I expect the use of technology to be key to that, as it drives and profits from the data the club will hold on fans, that data will be used for individual focused marketing offers and also be used to help grow other commercial sponsorship opportunities at the club. It is already in operation at a few clubs but there is a long way for the Premier League to go before it comes close to what is going on in the US. This is yet another thing I have been tracking on the MMT thread.

Incidentally the biggest growth area in US sports revenue streams this last year is legalised betting. We are likely to see betting sponsors disappear from shirts, but I expect betting to be more prevalent at games in general (not necessarily our club) - whether our new owners incorporate this (given the guidelines of their faith) will be interesting to watch.
As I'm sure you're aware, this is largely due to gambling only just being made legal in a number of areas. It's starting from a very different base.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:18 pm

aggi wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:16 pm
I think this bloke was behind it
Look at the size of that hand.... Burnley's very own practical joker :lol: :lol:

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Den_Perry » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:32 pm

Haha! Brilliant....can’t quite remember the context/reasoning for that pic being produced. Can you remind me Dan? :lol:

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:36 pm

Was it a Pretending-Ron special?

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:36 pm

Hope you’re well Denzel?

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:45 pm

Den_Perry wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:32 pm
Haha! Brilliant....can’t quite remember the context/reasoning for that pic being produced. Can you remind me Dan? :lol:
On the WhatsApp group it was agreed that the version you did was better.

This was either something to do with 2BR or one of the local papers - ******* on Burnley or something like that wasn't it?

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:50 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:54 pm
My best friend married a Jehovah Witness (she’s not anymore) and I remember thinking she had a very sheltered life.

We got into a debate about the actress Robin Wright appearing naked in a scene in Forest Gump, I was explaining the justification and she just wouldn’t have it. To her is was porn.

Jdrobbo comes across a bit like that in this thread.
Jdrobbo is looking without the tinted glasses some are wearing.

Addiction is not something you just give up. It’s not weak willed people. It’s not a localised class issue.

Just because you are lucky enough to have sound mental health doesn’t mean we should ignore others. Compassion to others is a foundation of a positive society.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Den_Perry » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:51 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:36 pm
Was it a Pretending-Ron special?
Can’t remember if I did that one or not....been a while since I cranked up the old photoshop! 🤣

I’m good thanks, hope you are too. Can’t be easy being a teacher at the moment; we’re learning a bit about that with the home schooling, we have even more respect for your profession now!! 😎👍

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:55 pm

Den_Perry wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:51 pm
Can’t remember if I did that one or not....been a while since I cranked up the old photoshop! 🤣

I’m good thanks, hope you are too. Can’t be easy being a teacher at the moment; we’re learning a bit about that with the home schooling, we have even more respect for your profession now!! 😎👍
It's only to be hoped that the tribe have taken after their mother if you're trying to home school them :lol: :lol:

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:56 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:11 pm
Thanks for this post claptrappers. I found it interesting that you believe I’ve led a very sheltered life, but these are your opinions so I will duly take them on board.

For the record, I have experienced all of the aforementioned things within this thread, with the exception of smoking. I’ve never gone near a cigarette and I’m okay about that. Gambling, I’ve been doing it since I was in year eight, gambling with the bus driver on the way to school. I opened my first online account when I got a card and gambled online for 17 years. In total I lost just over £320, but I’d had enough, could see what it was doing to my mental health and could see where it could further leave. I considered it a lucky escape.

Interestingly, both you and Dan have contributed heavily on this thread. I have a lot of respect for both of you and indeed, consider Dan to be a friend as I know him personally. He disagrees with me, I have no issue with that and I would never try and belittle him with personal comparisons. I have always found Fan to pay me the same respect.

The same goes to you. You don’t like my opinion and that’s okay. The difference being, I feel like I have respected what you have had to say. I thought you had more class than to offer comments such as those. Best wishes.
Just out of interest, could you give a bit more detail as to what you thought this issue, which cost you £19 per year on average, was doing to your mental health?

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:56 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:45 pm
On the WhatsApp group it was agreed that the version you did was better.

This was either something to do with 2BR or one of the local papers - ******* on Burnley or something like that wasn't it?
I'm pretty sure it was pie reviews (hence the pie).

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Den_Perry » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:58 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:55 pm
It's only to be hoped that the tribe have taken after their mother if you're trying to home school them :lol: :lol:
How very dare you sir!

It’s mostly the missus to be fair although I’m trying to help in the mornings before I go into the office to escape the madness! 😎🤣

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:04 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:50 pm
Jdrobbo is looking without the tinted glasses some are wearing.

Addiction is not something you just give up. It’s not weak willed people. It’s not a localised class issue.

Just because you are lucky enough to have sound mental health doesn’t mean we should ignore others. Compassion to others is a foundation of a positive society.
When you say tinted glasses, what you mean are that JD's views align more with your own. There's plenty of balanced opinion on this, just slightly different sides of an opinion. That is healthy, it promotes debate and learning.

You are right on addiction, and it is something that needs to be supported, with relevant and impactful action for those affected. The world does not work on a ban of everything to protect the weakest. Otherwise there would be very little in the game of football, as I pointed out on another thread on this topic the other day. Stop selling booze and unhealthy food in the ground, stop swearing in the ground, stop chanting and noise in case it affects those with anxiety or other traumatic illnesses. Protect those who need protecting, and allow those who enjoy a reasonable, leisure pastime to continue with it, and for those why may enjoy it to be informed of the product / service. But make sure, that those providing it are taking the necessary measures as agreed by an independent regulator.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:05 pm

Den_Perry wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:58 pm
How very dare you sir!

It’s mostly the missus to be fair although I’m trying to help in the mornings before I go into the office to escape the madness! 😎🤣
To be fair, they will learn something that way., Tother way round, I reckon you might have been learning from them. Good to hear you're all coping anyway.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by DCWat » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:54 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:43 pm
And the man of the match sponsored by Benedictine is fine?

And selling a pie and a pint alongside crisps and chocolate is fine?

And a smoking area where kids enter and exit is fine?

I accept gambling can have bad outcomes. But so can crossing the road.

There’s a time where people have to take some personal responsibility.

I enjoy a bet. Hate smoking. Don’t mind a pint. None have ever ruined my life.

Crossing the road almost did though and I ended up in hospital for three months. If only they banned cars and roads...
You’re missing the point of JD’s view here, I think, CCF.

There’s not a comparison that you’ve raised that sees anything like the level and variety of advertising that betting companies pay for.

I certainly agree that people should take some responsibility and generally speaking, that should be the expectation.

What we have to appreciate though is that society includes many vulnerable people and when it comes to gambling (or other addictions) vulnerabilities may not even be known until they materialise.

As I’ve said before, I’m not against betting companies advertising on shirts. I do though have an issue with the amount of other betting advertising.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:59 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:56 pm
Just out of interest, could you give a bit more detail as to what you thought this issue, which cost you £19 per year on average, was doing to your mental health?
Well I wasn’t expecting this, but ok. You have done what most people do...quick fag paper calculation and come to an annual loss of £19. Yep, easily affordable...won’t notice it has gone.

Ok, so I’d start with a bet at the weekend...usually a nominal amount. Occasionally I’d have a bet in midweek. For some reason, £12 was the standard amount. Always a treble or four-fold. Sometimes I’d win; others I’d lose. Remember, this would be around the times of having a student loan. I’d never just go for four ‘certs’ do I tried to select carefully.

I regularly won £300-£1,000

So now go back to me point about being just £320 down after nearly two decades of doing it....that’s a lot of losses too; a lot of wasted hours; a lot of late nights (or early mornings) and a lot of thinking, ‘did I do that?’ (Bet Regret).

So you might say I lost £19 (net) over a year and all would seem rosey, but if you look at the undulating journey of that betting history, you’d see it’s many hundreds of lost pounds (luckily for me, I seemed good enough to win big neatly as much as I lost). That in turn caused me to be tired, grumpy etc.

I never considered myself to have a problem, yet when I decided enough was enough, my average stake was probably £30 a bet, two-to-three times a week. I can afford that, no problem, but I could see where it could end up. Thankfully, I had the ability snd good sense, to reflect on the whole thing and just end it.

Meanwhile, dozens of ‘We’re missing you...have a free £50 bet on us etc.’ adverts began filling my inboxes...

Hope this out a little context on the ‘seemingly’ paltry average annual loss of just £19.

Cheers

John

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:23 pm

I appreciate that there are many many things with risks attached to them and of varying degrees. But for people to mention eating chocolate and crisps or a pie and a pint in the same breath as gambling is worrying.

I’m not against anyone having a little flutter every now and again if they enjoy doing so but the point is that gambling can often lead to depression, huge debt, families splitting up and worse then you have to try and understand that the degree attached to gambling is far more damaging and extreme than other vices mentioned above. I can’t remember the last story I read about Mars Bars or Holland’s Potato and Meat pies ruining lives.

And on that basis, football teams in the most exposed league in the world are being somewhat irresponsible by pushing and advertising these betting companies.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:27 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:59 pm
Well I wasn’t expecting this, but ok. You have done what most people do...quick fag paper calculation and come to an annual loss of £19. Yep, easily affordable...won’t notice it has gone.

Well, yes I suppose average is the very definition of “fag paper calculation” but ok.
However thankful for the rest of your insightful post.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:30 pm

No problem. Best wishes and here’s to a good performance tomorrow.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:35 pm

pies, porn, punting, who cares? the worst of this post is someone admitting to be a mod on this site, now that is abhorrent.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:30 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:23 pm
I appreciate that there are many many things with risks attached to them and of varying degrees. But for people to mention eating chocolate and crisps or a pie and a pint in the same breath as gambling is worrying.

I’m not against anyone having a little flutter every now and again if they enjoy doing so but the point is that gambling can often lead to depression, huge debt, families splitting up and worse then you have to try and understand that the degree attached to gambling is far more damaging and extreme than other vices mentioned above. I can’t remember the last story I read about Mars Bars or Holland’s Potato and Meat pies ruining lives.

And on that basis, football teams in the most exposed league in the world are being somewhat irresponsible by pushing and advertising these betting companies.

I would take a view that the “can often” element of your post to be the area I would disagree with. I’d argue with statistically it’s “can occasionally”. I’d also point out, that can occasionally is too many still, but is a reducing number given the improvement in technology to identify problem gambling. In the same way eating too many pies / fast food can occasionally lead to a heart attack, and a pint can occasionally lead to alcoholism leading to people suffering similar fates to gambling harm. But people are not looking to ban their involvement or sponsorship at the football club.

The key question is whether you think that gambling companies are doing enough to counter that risk of harm, or not. Some suggest banning advertising or banning gambling as a solution, I disagree with that point of view, pretty strongly as my posts have highlighted, and countered it with some of the controls that gambling companies put in place.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by DCWat » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:46 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:30 am
I would take a view that the “can often” element of your post to be the area I would disagree with. I’d argue with statistically it’s “can occasionally”. I’d also point out, that can occasionally is too many still, but is a reducing number given the improvement in technology to identify problem gambling. In the same way eating too many pies / fast food can occasionally lead to a heart attack, and a pint can occasionally lead to alcoholism leading to people suffering similar fates to gambling harm. But people are not looking to ban their involvement or sponsorship at the football club.

The key question is whether you think that gambling companies are doing enough to counter that risk of harm, or not. Some suggest banning advertising or banning gambling as a solution, I disagree with that point of view, pretty strongly as my posts have highlighted, and countered it with some of the controls that gambling companies put in place.
Do you think that there is too much advertisement for gambling on TV / Radio, at grounds, on digital advertising hoardings? That’s my gripe, rather than betting or shirt sponsorship.

Out of interest, are there facts and figures on the success of the measures that the betting companies put in place to identify, help and stop problem gamblers? Has there been a significant reduction in problem gamblers?

I’ve never heard of anyone praising betting companies for supporting them with their gambling addiction (perhaps there are people out there though).

I’ve seen measures in place when I’ve been on gambling sites, but nothing that I’d assume couldn’t easily be circumvented, if I had a problem and wanted to just carry on betting. It could be that you only see these measures come into action if you’re one identified as having a potential problem.

Gambling, and I do it very infrequently, is a bit of fun for me. I bet with a level of money I’m happy to lose (of course hoping for a win) and it perks my interest in games (usually football) that otherwise I’d have little interest in.

I can imagine though, someone with a gambling problem might well be very tempted by all the silly offers that are presented to them, whilst watching a game.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by mill hill claret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:59 am

Advice to alan pace ..whoever offers the most money for sponsorship ..take it ...betting company or not ....
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by mill hill claret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:04 am

jdrobbo wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:59 pm
Well I wasn’t expecting this, but ok. You have done what most people do...quick fag paper calculation and come to an annual loss of £19. Yep, easily affordable...won’t notice it has gone.

Ok, so I’d start with a bet at the weekend...usually a nominal amount. Occasionally I’d have a bet in midweek. For some reason, £12 was the standard amount. Always a treble or four-fold. Sometimes I’d win; others I’d lose. Remember, this would be around the times of having a student loan. I’d never just go for four ‘certs’ do I tried to select carefully.

I regularly won £300-£1,000

So now go back to me point about being just £320 down after nearly two decades of doing it....that’s a lot of losses too; a lot of wasted hours; a lot of late nights (or early mornings) and a lot of thinking, ‘did I do that?’ (Bet Regret).

So you might say I lost £19 (net) over a year and all would seem rosey, but if you look at the undulating journey of that betting history, you’d see it’s many hundreds of lost pounds (luckily for me, I seemed good enough to win big neatly as much as I lost). That in turn caused me to be tired, grumpy etc.

I never considered myself to have a problem, yet when I decided enough was enough, my average stake was probably £30 a bet, two-to-three times a week. I can afford that, no problem, but I could see where it could end up. Thankfully, I had the ability snd good sense, to reflect on the whole thing and just end it.

Meanwhile, dozens of ‘We’re missing you...have a free £50 bet on us etc.’ adverts began filling my inboxes...

Hope this out a little context on the ‘seemingly’ paltry average annual loss of just £19.

Cheers

John
Simple solution .......dont bet ...I know plenty of people who dont bet who support burnley ...maybe they haven't seen the shirt sponsor yet eh ??

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:08 am

DCWat wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:46 am
Do you think that there is too much advertisement for gambling on TV / Radio, at grounds, on digital advertising hoardings? That’s my gripe, rather than betting or shirt sponsorship.

Out of interest, are there facts and figures on the success of the measures that the betting companies put in place to identify, help and stop problem gamblers? Has there been a significant reduction in problem gamblers?

I’ve never heard of anyone praising betting companies for supporting them with their gambling addiction (perhaps there are people out there though).

I’ve seen measures in place when I’ve been on gambling sites, but nothing that I’d assume couldn’t easily be circumvented, if I had a problem and wanted to just carry on betting. It could be that you only see these measures come into action if you’re one identified as having a potential problem.

Gambling, and I do it very infrequently, is a bit of fun for me. I bet with a level of money I’m happy to lose (of course hoping for a win) and it perks my interest in games (usually football) that otherwise I’d have little interest in.

I can imagine though, someone with a gambling problem might well be very tempted by all the silly offers that are presented to them, whilst watching a game.
I think there's too much advertising for everything to be honest. We're bombarded everywhere with it. Is Gambling worse than that? It definitely has stronger targeting of where it knows there will be a concentration of people that gambling will appeal to - male dominated, sport orientated programmes for example. I doubt you would see the spread of other adverts, like Just Eat, or Deliveroo who seem to appear in most adverts, quite often in prime time.

Re facts and figures - the Gambling Commission publish their annual report, along with in depth reviews of specific areas.; The 2019 report is here https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/P ... itudes.pdf - problem gambling is placed at 0.5% of those who regularly gamble. It doesn't go into the measure of what are being done by gambling companies, but there are lots of papers, by universities and independent research teams that explain plenty of the research that is ongoing - here is one such paper https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ived_Norms

There are options for people to take to control their gambling, but there is also monitoring done by gambling companies to intervene when they see harmful behaviours (Spend increases, stake increases, time on site and many other factors). Intervention can range from education, through to exclusion from the site. There is also a national tool called GAMSTOP which if a person registers for, will remove their ability to access any account from those businesses that are regulated, who are within GAMSTOP. The regulated point is a key issue there, at present, there's not a significant space for black market operators to take business, however, there is a fear (and this is politicised by both sides of the argument) that with the gambling review upcoming, that the setting of affordability checks that are too low will open the door for black market operators, who will not abide by the gambling commission rules. It will be interesting to observe how thay evolves in the coming weeks and months. Opening accounts on most sites now, and a key step in the journey is to be presented with options on deposit limits, where you're encouraged, or in some cases, mandated to set deposit limits (daily, weekly and monthly) on your account before it proceeds to opening. This is the first step in what I expect to be considerable changes over the coming 12 months.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by martin_p » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:10 am

Put me down for 20p per goal.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:13 am

I bet we get an American sponsor!

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:21 am

martin_p wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:10 am
Put me down for 20p per goal.
You're gonna regret that when you're breaking into a shiny £2 coin... you flash sod :lol: :lol:

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:11 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:23 pm
I appreciate that there are many many things with risks attached to them and of varying degrees. But for people to mention eating chocolate and crisps or a pie and a pint in the same breath as gambling is worrying.
It's stupid to compare eating and drinking unhealthily to gambling, but I'm not even sure there's a word to describe the comparison of gambling and crossing the road.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:52 am

I think in a world where so much revenue has been lost, and quite possibly will be the case for another 18 months - the club has no option but to take whatever the biggest offer is (invariably a betting firm).

I only do a fiver a weekend on a Saturday acca, and generally do appallingly (cheers Celtic for ruining me yesterday lads, top effort). Therefore I cannot really decry betting as the devils work, albeit I’m sure that it’s an absolute hole for those that succumb to it.

My biggest issue is allowing Ladbrokes anywhere near the club after the way they belittled us on social media. That company specifically can naff off regardless of the offer.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:07 am

mill hill claret wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:04 am
Simple solution .......dont bet ...I know plenty of people who dont bet who support burnley ...maybe they haven't seen the shirt sponsor yet eh ??
Thank you for offering such a simple solution. So, ignore the complete saturation of our in-ground advertisement and just accept having said conditions, because it pays well?

And if I have children, do I offer them the same advice, ‘simple solution...don’t bet’?

And the children of primary age I know/ have known with gambling addiction, what about them?

What about all the team at Gambling with Lives, who are constantly supporting suicidal males due to gambling addiction....should their advice be ‘simple solution...don’t do it?’

Again, thank you for your contribution. I feel that the problem is ever so slightly more complex than you have alluded to and having not had a bet for two years, I’m glad I was able to ‘stop betting’. I’m glad I had the moral compass that pointed out where things could go and the restraint to tell myself I didn’t need it.

Do you know, the shirt sponsor, whilst still being a concern of mine, is like you imply, one of the less eye-catching of the gambling endorsements inside the ground? If you add up all the other flashing adverts, rolling displays and static boards around the ground, what we receive is just peanuts (literally peanuts) and just not necessary at all. Removing this as a starting point would go a long way to making a difference.

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Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:34 am

Actually it sadly is don't do it-and once addicted it is hard to not do it.This ban will help some people from becoming addicted to betting and it is for the same reasons there is no alcohol or tobacco advertised. Sadly Governments have not been as aggressive with either alcohol or gambling compared with tobacco. The smoking population is down to 15% now from around 50% in 1974 and I think in 1950 around 80% of adult males were smokers.
That has been achieved by "education" price and restrictions to advertising.
Alcohol-courtesy of Mr Blair you can or could drink in pubs whenever as he got rid of the licensing laws of WW1, spirits can now be advertised on TV,
Reggie Maudling allowed us to make beer. lager and wine at home with price in real terms falling. As for betting I think exposure is more than it has ever been.
For those with an addictive personality preventing exposure lessens their risk, once caught up in addiction life is very difficult for them and a nice exercise is to compare and contrast the exposure of the cigarette smoker to their addictive drug to that of the alcoholic entering a supermarket for their weekly shop. Courtesy of Tony Blair alcohol can be anywhere rather than the couple of aisles where they had to be before licensing relaxations, whereas you almost need to be a detective to find the cigs.
Addictions wreck personal and family lives and the more we can do to prevent these things the better.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:18 am

“ For those with an addictive personality preventing exposure lessens their risk, once caught up in addiction life is very difficult for them...”

Exposure...exactly.

And our football ground is literally drowning in gambling endorsements. Very well said.

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Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:57 am

Then there are those who state the bleeding obvious-that addicts need to control their behaviour towards gambling, alcohol, tobacco, sex etc
Also bleedingly obvious is the fact that if they could control their behaviour-they wouldn't be addicts.
I have seen a little bit of the research done on alcohol and the neuropharmacology of alcoholism-addicts do not switch on the messages of satiety and so carry on drinking. Once they stop drinking in the medium term at least and maybe even longer those satiety messages do not return meaning once an addict, very likely, always an addict.
The gambling and drinks industry should be supporting research into mechanisms of turning the switch which would allow addicts to behave more normally.

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by mill hill claret » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:14 am

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:07 am
Thank you for offering such a simple solution. So, ignore the complete saturation of our in-ground advertisement and just accept having said conditions, because it pays well?

And if I have children, do I offer them the same advice, ‘simple solution...don’t bet’?

And the children of primary age I know/ have known with gambling addiction, what about them?

What about all the team at Gambling with Lives, who are constantly supporting suicidal males due to gambling addiction....should their advice be ‘simple solution...don’t do it?’

Again, thank you for your contribution. I feel that the problem is ever so slightly more complex than you have alluded to and having not had a bet for two years, I’m glad I was able to ‘stop betting’. I’m glad I had the moral compass that pointed out where things could go and the restraint to tell myself I didn’t need it.

Do you know, the shirt sponsor, whilst still being a concern of mine, is like you imply, one of the less eye-catching of the gambling endorsements inside the ground? If you add up all the other flashing adverts, rolling displays and static boards around the ground, what we receive is just peanuts (literally peanuts) and just not necessary at all. Removing this as a starting point would go a long way to making a difference.

As a child I was told not to smoke ...as a young teen I was told I hadn't to drink and I didnt do either ...
Do we board every pub up around turf moor so the alcoholics dont get tempted ?
I 100% stand by my comment last night ..there is only one person who can help themselves if they have a gambling problem and that is the person thier self ...if they cant afford to do it ....dont do it

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:27 am

Disappointingly (but not surprisingly) there is some very naive comments in this thread.

You get similar comments when taking about MH, “what have they got to be depressed about?”

People don’t start doing something as an addict.
It might start as a small single bet on a game.
That bet might pay off which builds confidence and so you increase the stake for a bigger payout.
That might payoff. It might not, so another bet is placed to try recoup the loss.

If you are an addict, it’s not as simple as “if you can’t afford it don’t do it”

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Post by Dy1geo » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:35 am

Like others have said above in a ideal world I would love to have Pendleside Hospice on our shirts but I am a realist and understand that we are unlikely to get an “Ethical” company to sponsor our shirts.

Gambling sadly for a few is a dangerous addiction that harm the addict and their wider families lives, alcohol does the same.

At present in this country we are going through a Obesity pandemic that will harm people’s health etc just look at the numbers “fast food” places around Burnham Gate.

My point is, a single vice cannot be singled out, yes Gambling is advertised at the ground but as a club we market “meal deals” at the the kiosks and have very few healthy “snack” alternatives, we sell alcohol etc

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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by jdrobbo » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:47 am

mill hill claret wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:14 am
As a child I was told not to smoke ...as a young teen I was told I hadn't to drink and I didnt do either ...
Do we board every pub up around turf moor so the alcoholics dont get tempted ?
I 100% stand by my comment last night ..there is only one person who can help themselves if they have a gambling problem and that is the person thier self ...if they cant afford to do it ....dont do it

With respect, I think you’re showing a total naivety around what addiction is. It’s not about ‘affording’ to do anything, in my opinion.
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Re: Club looking for new sponsors

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:44 pm

Naivety is thinking you just ban everything you dont agree with
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