Club looking for new sponsors

[DCWat]

Naivety is just saying don’t do it. No one is saying ban betting.

I wonder why we bother with all of these expensive addiction clinics for a variety of things, when all we need to do is tell people to stop doing it.

No one starts doing something with the intention of becoming an addict. In fact, I suspect that a hell of a lot of addicts won’t even admit to having a problem. That in itself is part of the problem.

[jdrobbo]

Thanks DC. I find it fascinating that with the exception of Dan, there are very few people coming on here and offering respectful insight into why gambling endorsements inside Turf Moor shouldn’t be reviewed, instead just coming back with quick throw-away remarks, which add nothing to the discussion. I’d like to think that those who I’ve disagreed with, have found that I’ve done in with some respect.

[Peter Loo]

Dose Dave of "The Bank of Dave" still sponsor the Cricket field stand?

[wilks_bfc]

Dose Dave of "The Bank of Dave" still sponsor the Cricket field stand?

He’s not sponsored it since 2017
Think Ladbrooks took over, then last season had “Children with Cancer UK”

[Chester Perry]

He’s not sponsored it since 2017
Think Ladbrooks took over, then last season had “Children with Cancer UK”

The Children with Cancer was the charity of Ladbrokes who decided to stop advertising at grounds the year before, they paid to advertise the charity rather than themselves and consequently got a lot of positive press and indirect advertising as a result - their deal ended last summer - at the start of the season the top of the stand had a Padiham property companies name, but that seems to have moved to the top of the Bob Lord now

[wilks_bfc]

The Children with Cancer was the charity of Ladbrokes who decided to stop advertising at grounds the year before, they paid to advertise the charity rather than themselves and consequently got a lot of positive press and indirect advertising as a result - their deal ended last summer - at the start of the season the top of the stand had a Padiham property companies name, but that seems to have moved to the top of the Bob Lord now

Yeah I knew that about Ladbrooks/CwC. Was badly worded by me

[djemba-djemba]

Thanks DC. I find it fascinating that with the exception of Dan, there are very few people coming on here and offering respectful insight into why gambling endorsements inside Turf Moor shouldn’t be reviewed, instead just coming back with quick throw-away remarks, which add nothing to the discussion. I’d like to think that those who I’ve disagreed with, have found that I’ve done in with some respect.

I take it you’ve been in touch with the club highlighting your concerns?

[jdrobbo]

Of course, Djemba Djemba. Why do you ask?

Have a good evening. UTC

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[Bosscat]

Dose Dave of "The Bank of Dave" still sponsor the Cricket field stand?

Dose Dave...

Sounds like the local drug dealer

Or the local std carrier

[djemba-djemba]

Of course, Djemba Djemba. Why do you ask?

Have a good evening. UTC

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That’s good then.

All too often you see people so talk about issues on social media and message boards and it missing the people who should be reading it (yes, I appreciate you contacted Alan via social media but you get where I’m coming from).

The reaction to your message seems to be more positive than the response to an email I sent the club some months ago.

[jdrobbo]

May I ask if yours was in a similar theme?

[djemba-djemba]

May I ask if yours was in a similar theme?

Similar theme in that I contacted them about some concerns I had with what they allow betting companies do.

Slightly different in that your beef in the tweet appears to be with what is published on the website and social media. My beef came inside the ground and I have and will not go back because of it.

[jdrobbo]

I share your beef very much and I know that this is going to get looked at.

Keep banging away!

What would be needed, in order for you to return?

[djemba-djemba]

I share your beef very much and I know that this is going to get looked at.

Keep banging away!

What would be needed, in order for you to return?

More awareness on the clubs part. I was offered no sort of apology for the beef I raised either. Now you may be thinking that perhaps the club don’t think the situation is encountered warrants an apology, and that is precisely the problem.

[DCWat]

Thanks DC. I find it fascinating that with the exception of Dan, there are very few people coming on here and offering respectful insight into why gambling endorsements inside Turf Moor shouldn’t be reviewed, instead just coming back with quick throw-away remarks, which add nothing to the discussion. I’d like to think that those who I’ve disagreed with, have found that I’ve done in with some respect.

It’s getting ridiculous on here, at times.

Dan’s posts, as you’ve highlighted were insightful, respectful and provided reasoned views at the opposite end of the debate to yourself.

Indeed, your responses to the less than one insightful opinions have been polite and respectful.

It’s such a better experience on here when different opinions are presented and debated properly, without it resorting to abuse and the quick throwaway remarks that you refer to (a very polite way to describe them).

[jdrobbo]

Agreed. It’s a shame.

[cricketfieldclarets]

You’re missing the point of JD’s view here, I think, CCF.

There’s not a comparison that you’ve raised that sees anything like the level and variety of advertising that betting companies pay for.

I certainly agree that people should take some responsibility and generally speaking, that should be the expectation.

What we have to appreciate though is that society includes many vulnerable people and when it comes to gambling (or other addictions) vulnerabilities may not even be known until they materialise.

As I’ve said before, I’m not against betting companies advertising on shirts. I do though have an issue with the amount of other betting advertising.

Euro 2020 and World Cup 2022 official sponsors.

Not a single gambling company.

But... Coca Cola. McDonald’s. Heineken. Budweiser. Among others.

Which kills more people? Which causes more childhood obesity?

Gambling or booze and junk food?

[cricketfieldclarets]

It's stupid to compare eating and drinking unhealthily to gambling, but I'm not even sure there's a word to describe the comparison of gambling and crossing the road.

It was clearly very much tongue in cheek.

But in fairness I would bet you any money crossing the road probably does kill more people than gambling.

[tim_noone]

I share your beef very much and I know that this is going to get looked at.

Keep banging away!

What would be needed, in order for you to return?

Veganism is the Future.

[tim_noone]

It was clearly very much tongue in cheek.

But in fairness I would bet you any money crossing the road probably does kill more people than gambling.

There you go again with your Betting...

[Devils_Advocate]

This thread needs closing down cos since Ive been reading it over the last few days i've had more burgers than Elvis, been constantly p*ssed, gambled my mortgage on Kev Long getting the winning goal against Chelsea and can barely see from watching too much porn.

It wouldn't be so bad but its the best weekend Ive had in ages and just emailed in sick to my boss so I can get straight back on it tomorrow

[DCWat]

Euro 2020 and World Cup 2022 official sponsors.

Not a single gambling company.

But... Coca Cola. McDonald’s. Heineken. Budweiser. Among others.

Which kills more people? Which causes more childhood obesity?

Gambling or booze and junk food?

And why is it that there are no gambling companies?

I’d assume that there are a few reasons for this, but the biggest being that these are worldwide or Europe wide tournaments. For all their wealth, betting companies don’t have the level of revenue individually as a Coca Cola or McDonalds.

To answer the question relating to deaths, I’d hazard a guess that in first place it would be obesity related diseases, followed by alcohol related deaths and a long way down the list, deaths that can be attributed to gambling (sadly, presumably suicide).

I’ll reiterate that I’m not against betting or betting advertising, but I am against the quantity that we see.

During the World Cup, Euros or indeed European club competitions, I don’t recall feeling bombarded with adverts for Coca Cola, McDonalds or Budweiser. Yes, there will be adverts for each but nothing like to the level that we see when it comes to watching English league matches.

I don’t quite see where the comparison between Coca Cola, Budweiser or McDonalds comes in, aside from the fact that all (including betting) could have a negative impact upon people.

Do you think that the level of betting advertisements in and around football are excessive, or do you think it’s fine as it is?

[jdrobbo]

DC, I find it interesting that despite us both making challenges with reference to high levels of gambling advertising, people generally don’t seem to want to offer a further response relating to the question.

The comeback tends to always be about cigarettes...something that is not advertised at all inside the ground.... or alcohol...something that has not been allowed to offer sponsorship since 2015/16....or fast food (there is the odd advert perhaps)

Regarding gambling....TWENTY ONE different gambling endorsements counted in a one minute period inside Turf Moor in just one SIXTY SECOND period during a game last season.

And it’s this complete over-saturation that is first like to see addressed. DC, thank you for your valiant effort in referring people back to the main premise: something that seemingly is being conveniently avoided.

[tarkys_ears]

Mormons aren't anti gambling and wall street financiers certainly aren't averse to making money.

I assume the money is NOT paid up front otherwise it would stay on the shirt.

[superdimitri]

A TV manufacturer like Hisense or TCL would be great. Smartphone manufacturers also. Both industries are growing in China and whist it's not ideal that the companies are state owned, they are more ethical then bookmakers

Other possibilities would be web hosting companies, cloud services or even the gaming industry.

Oddly I had a dream the owners struck a deal with football manager after they were able to integrate ai scout into the game.

[jdrobbo]

Bloody hell, I can’t remember the last dream I had!

[aggi]

Mormons aren't anti gambling and wall street financiers certainly aren't averse to making money.

I assume the money is NOT paid up front otherwise it would stay on the shirt.

Mormons are very much anti-gambling. They have a strong principle that you should not get money for doing nothing, which they believe gambling winnings are.

[cricketfieldclarets]

And why is it that there are no gambling companies?

I’d assume that there are a few reasons for this, but the biggest being that these are worldwide or Europe wide tournaments. For all their wealth, betting companies don’t have the level of revenue individually as a Coca Cola or McDonalds.

To answer the question relating to deaths, I’d hazard a guess that in first place it would be obesity related diseases, followed by alcohol related deaths and a long way down the list, deaths that can be attributed to gambling (sadly, presumably suicide).

I’ll reiterate that I’m not against betting or betting advertising, but I am against the quantity that we see.

During the World Cup, Euros or indeed European club competitions, I don’t recall feeling bombarded with adverts for Coca Cola, McDonalds or Budweiser. Yes, there will be adverts for each but nothing like to the level that we see when it comes to watching English league matches.

I don’t quite see where the comparison between Coca Cola, Budweiser or McDonalds comes in, aside from the fact that all (including betting) could have a negative impact upon people.

Do you think that the level of betting advertisements in and around football are excessive, or do you think it’s fine as it is?

As a random example. And probably. It even the biggest by far. Bet Fred turn over over ten billion a year.

[DCWat]

As a random example. And probably. It even the biggest by far. Bet Fred turn over over ten billion a year.

I think that there’s a bigger US firm. Turning over 10 billion is of course is not that same as posting 10 billion profit. I think these sort of figures will be way, way down on the companies that you’ve referenced.

[cricketfieldclarets]

DC, I find it interesting that despite us both making challenges with reference to high levels of gambling advertising, people generally don’t seem to want to offer a further response relating to the question.

The comeback tends to always be about cigarettes...something that is not advertised at all inside the ground.... or alcohol...something that has not been allowed to offer sponsorship since 2015/16....or fast food (there is the odd advert perhaps)

Regarding gambling....TWENTY ONE different gambling endorsements counted in a one minute period inside Turf Moor in just one SIXTY SECOND period during a game last season.

And it’s this complete over-saturation that is first like to see addressed. DC, thank you for your valiant effort in referring people back to the main premise: something that seemingly is being conveniently avoided.

There are plenty of counter arguments though. All respectful. And all show why if you want to blanket ban gambling where does it end?

Yes I’d rather we had hays butchers on the front. But they aren’t going to flog enough burgers and sausages to make up the multi million pound shortfall that cancelling our gambling partnerships would bring. Nor would it be ethical given they primarily sell stuff that increases obesity which increases health problems (physical and mental) which in turn decreases ability to do your job etc etc which could lead to a downward spiral of depression.

I’m using a massively exaggerated example here. But for good reason. The gambling one is equally exaggerated.

Yes to some it’s bad. And can have negative implications. But when Andy Payton walks to the ground to commentate, do you think he wants every pub on the way closing down? (No. He even met Stan Ternent in one not so long ago for a reunion and had enough self control not to drink). Does he want the bars and kiosks closing in the ground? Benedictine stopping being sponsors? Of course not.

People need to take some accountability and responsibility. Yes there’s a lot of marketing. Yes it could be better.

In all my 30+ years following the clarets I have never:

Insured my car with endsleigh
Bought a pc from p3 (or lanway)
Filled my car up at cooke fuels
Knowingly drunk vk although that may not be the case if I’ve been totally bladdered
Bought a wardrobe from gm fitted furniture
A table from oak furniture land
A sofa from sofa store
Vaped a totally wicked candyfloss vape
Shopped at Harvey Nichols
Had the perfect erection from CwR scaffolds
Bought a van or borrowed money off David fishwick
Bought a bathroom from James Hargreaves

I have bought Holland’s pies. Not because they’re on the front of the shirt mind. But almost always because it’s the only hot food you can get on matchday. And actually bought some during lockdown. Not because they’re the best pies. But to recreate the matchday experience in lockdown. Pie. Bovril and a bene. So yes. The club definitely does need to review some of its suppliers of choice.

However in the main, I take responsibility for my own choices. Good and bad. And nobody is without bad habits or vices.

We have become the nation of the offended. And I think the crusade to stop Burnley from recognising millions per year, particularly right now is a terrible one. I would argue that Burnley not progressing, tumbling down the leagues or worse would have far worse economic and wide reaching mental effects than Ladbroke sponsoring a stand.

Chester Perry or someone similar will be able to confirm. But I imagine the deal last season will have been worth more than all of the endsleigh years, Holland’s, p3 et al combined.

Any viable alternatives to replace that lost revenue? At a time when we are likely to lose millions more in lost matchday revenues.

[Chester Perry]

Chester Perry or someone similar will be able to confirm. But I imagine the deal last season will have been worth more than all of the endsleigh years, Holland’s, p3 et al combined.

Any viable alternatives to replace that lost revenue? At a time when we are likely to lose millions more in lost matchday revenues.

Given that Betting sponsors, probably brought in around £8.5m+ last season, that is likely to be true

[jrgbfc]

I agree with those that say adults should be mature and sensible enough to make their own decisions,(i realise its not that simple for addicts)
But at 14 or 15 years old you aren't mature or sensible, anyone going to football or watching on TV is just constantly bombarded with it. During every game on Sky bet 365 are actively encouraging people to have an in play bet, surely that can't be right?

[Gordaleman]

If we temporarily have no sponsor, it would be great to use the shirt space to support a charity that helps addicted gamblers. www.gamcare.org.uk springs to mind but maybe their are more local organisations?

[tarkys_ears]

Mormons are very much anti-gambling. They have a strong principle that you should not get money for doing nothing, which they believe gambling winnings are.

In Mormon theology, gambling is not strictly forbidden, like smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol or beverages with caffeine; it is viewed as a lesser transgression, an evil "based on the morally wrong philosophy of getting something for nothing, of taking money without giving fair value in return."14 Jun 1993

Nevada Town Booms With Proceeds From Gambling Mormons

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/14/us/n ... return.%22


***

IE - If it pays the bills, we don't care.

[aggi]

In Mormon theology, gambling is not strictly forbidden, like smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol or beverages with caffeine; it is viewed as a lesser transgression, an evil "based on the morally wrong philosophy of getting something for nothing, of taking money without giving fair value in return."14 Jun 1993

Nevada Town Booms With Proceeds From Gambling Mormons

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/14/us/n ... return.%22


***

IE - If it pays the bills, we don't care.

So Mormons are anti-gambling.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Given that Betting sponsors, probably brought in around £8.5m+ last season, that is likely to be true

Thanks CP thought as much.

So basically betting sponsorship last season alone brought in more revenue than any player we have ever sold bar Michael Keane and Andre Gray.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I agree with those that say adults should be mature and sensible enough to make their own decisions,(i realise its not that simple for addicts)
But at 14 or 15 years old you aren't mature or sensible, anyone going to football or watching on TV is just constantly bombarded with it. During every game on Sky bet 365 are actively encouraging people to have an in play bet, surely that can't be right?

But they are not legally old enough to register and bet online and shouldn’t be (but could be) served in shop like they could for booze and fags.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Given tonight’s rumours maybe they’ll not be able to be picky with sponsors.

[HunterST_BFC]

Given tonight’s rumours maybe they’ll not be able to be picky with sponsors.

I'm expecting Northern Rock


or Woolies

[Chester Perry]

Thanks CP thought as much.

So basically betting sponsorship last season alone brought in more revenue than any player we have ever sold bar Michael Keane and Andre Gray.

around two thirds of commercial income if you deduct retail and the clubs non-matchday hospitality or over a season and a half of matchday income

[dandeclaret]

And why is it that there are no gambling companies?

Just to answer on this one, there are very very few global betting brands that transcend the world stage like MasterCard, Heineken..... and emerging fast food company Takeaway.com....... aka Just Eat

[DCWat]

Just to answer on this one, there are very very few global betting brands that transcend the world stage like MasterCard, Heineken..... and emerging fast food company Takeaway.com....... aka Just Eat

Thanks Dan.

I’d looked at it from a revenue perspective; that of the biggest betting companies paling into insignificance compared to the companies mentioned.

Of course you’re a right, the worldwide reach of the companies of course makes a worldwide tournament an attractive proposition for advertisement / partnership.

[jdrobbo]

As always, appreciate your input, Dan. Thanks

[claret_in_exile]

For what it's worth, I'm against being sponsored by betting companies. I look at it like Barcelona do - wearing a sponsor on your shirt is an endorsement that you're supporting that company and are proud of your relationship with them, especially when we have thousands of kids wearing our shirts.

I know money talks, but I'd honestly rather not have the money and promote a somewhat more salubrious cause, even if that ended up in relegation. And, frankly, it looks aesthetically terrible.

I'm very burnt out by the over-commercialisation, as well as the over-politicialisation of our football club. I wish we'd go back to being just about the football, even if it meant we were playing at a lower level.

[Chester Perry]

For what it's worth, I'm against being sponsored by betting companies. I look at it like Barcelona do - wearing a sponsor on your shirt is an endorsement that you're supporting that company and are proud of your relationship with them, especially when we have thousands of kids wearing our shirts.

I know money talks, but I'd honestly rather not have the money and promote a somewhat more salubrious cause, even if that ended up in relegation. And, frankly, it looks aesthetically terrible.

I'm very burnt out by the over-commercialisation, as well as the over-politicialisation of our football club. I wish we'd go back to being just about the football, even if it meant we were playing at a lower level.

Qatar!

they also paid for the Unicef sponsorship, which I have posted previously was a purely political decision on multiple levels
- it enabled fans/members to get used to a different name on the shirt, with a world recognised Charity
- it also enabled a dig a at Real Madrid who by then had had a shirt sponsors for 24 years
- for Qatar it enabled them to benefit from association with Barcelona and it's high values, this has been called everything from Sports Washing to Legitimisation

somewhere along the line Barcelona sold it's soul - https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/fr ... -sold-soul - but not fast enough for the executive team that dreamt up the Unicef idea. That team wanted to do a lot more, that team is what have driven Manchester City for the last 10 years - the single most strategically forward thinking club in the world game

[claret_in_exile]

Qatar!

they also paid for the Unicef sponsorship, which I have posted previously was a purely political decision on multiple levels
- it enabled fans/members to get used to a different name on the shirt, with a world recognised Charity
- it also enabled a dig a at Real Madrid who by then had had a shirt sponsors for 24 years
- for Qatar it enabled them to benefit from association with Barcelona and it's high values, this has been called everything from Sports Washing to Legitimisation

somewhere along the line Barcelona sold it's soul - https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/fr ... -sold-soul - but not fast enough for the executive team that dreamt up the Unicef idea. That team wanted to do a lot more, that team is what have driven Manchester City for the last 10 years - the single most strategically forward thinking club in the world game

Yes, you're right, of course. I was referring to the Barca of old - I didn't realize Qatar had paid for the UNICEF thing. That's a shame.

[gandhisflipflop]

That is the time Barca stopped becoming 'Mes Que un club'

[superdimitri]

Maybe with American owners we can give Colonel Sanders a ring and get KFC to back us just to mock Rovers.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm hoping someone on our board knows Bezos, pretty sure he could find some spare change to sponsor us out of his $1.9 Trillion

[Quickenthetempo]

Exclusive: I've spent months investigating how secretive Asian gambling companies came to dominate Premier League football, spending millions to advertise to TV viewers in China... where gambling firms are strictly illegal.
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Twitter feed about it
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