Naathen Mr Pace

[FCBurnley]

So, in the blink of an eye we look like we are going to drop to 17th place .
The transfer window has closed with no signings of note
We have 5 major players out injured
Our players are looking tired
We have 3 huge games coming up against fellow relegation candidates plus an important cup tie
And according to The Guardian the club has gone from having a hefty bank balance to being hugely in debt.
Hopefully we will survive but the above does not make great reading. Am I right to be worried ?

[bf2k]

Funny what a week does in these COVID times

[Burnley1989]

Glad you started a new thread on this, needs discussing

[Aclaret]

But on the plus side, our supply of twix are building up nicely

[Boss Hogg]

Should do wonders for raising the international profile and the queue of investors At least we won’t have to borrow more money to buy players if we go down and we might not need to borrow more to service the debt In the early years. Could always ask Garlick and JB if they fancy lending us a bit if needed. No need to panic.

[Boss Hogg]

But on the plus side, our supply of twix are building up nicely

Watch out you’ll upset some uptight trolls with twix jokes.

[Devils_Advocate]

But on the plus side, our supply of twix are building up nicely

Garlick got all the Twix's as part of the takeover but not to worry Pace has got some exciting plans

[clansman]

Burnley fc do not have a large debt. Burnley fc haven’t borrowed any money.! The debt is with ultimate parent. If they went bust we would then owned by a company controlled by a man with a personal net worth of 41 billion dollars.

[tiger76]

So, in the blink of an eye we look like we are going to drop to 17th place .
The transfer window has closed with no signings of note
We have 5 major players out injured
Our players are looking tired
We have 3 huge games coming up against fellow relegation candidates plus an important cup tie
And according to The Guardian the club has gone from having a hefty bank balance to being hugely in debt.
Hopefully we will survive but the above does not make great reading. Am I right to be worried ?

In the short term no, I still think we'll have enough to survive this season anyway, however in the longer term most definitely, not buying this window doesn't unduly bother me, and we have extended 4 contracts, however it's the debt situation that concerns me more, it wouldn't be so bad if we had gone into debt to invest in the squad, but we haven't, and now we have the prospect of repaying these debts over a number of years, which will further impact on our spending power in future windows, so essentially we're paying this debt for no benefit that I can see to the club, and this is what worries me down the line, at least under Garlick we knew the club was debt-free, despite several frustrating windows, and in the event of relegation, we would have sold one or two, Dwight & Tarks for example, and then rebuilt again, knowing we were still financially stable, now if we drop, even if it's next season, we have the prospect of selling off the crown jewels just to service the debt, and I can't see SD sticking around in those circumstances, so in the worst case scenario we'll go back to being an average Championship team once more, however this time we'll have all that hovering over us for the foreseeable future, that's the worst case scenario, but even I must admit it's a grim prospect, and this is why I'm by Pace saying staying in the PL isn't essential, I'd say it's even more essential now, then it was under the old regime.

[Jimmymaccer]

Have we still got the dry powder store?

[Stacky_claret]

We also might be safe after the next 5 games Get a grip

[LoveCurryPies]

So, in the blink of an eye we look like we are going to drop to 17th place .
The transfer window has closed with no signings of note
We have 5 major players out injured
Our players are looking tired
We have 3 huge games coming up against fellow relegation candidates plus an important cup tie
And according to The Guardian the club has gone from having a hefty bank balance to being hugely in debt.
Hopefully we will survive but the above does not make great reading. Am I right to be worried ?

We just played the top Club with single players costing more than our entire team.

We are tied with Newcastle with a game in hand (against Fulham). Winning that would move us to 14th.

I suspect you were probably calling for overseas investment a few weeks ago. Well you got it. But that sort of investment is standard so don’t all gloom.

Snowflake.

[Wellsy1882]

Loans?

[Spijed]

We just played the top Club with single players costing more than our entire team.

We are tied with Newcastle with a game in hand (against Fulham). Winning that would move us to 14th.

I suspect you were probably calling for overseas investment a few weeks ago. Well you got it. But that sort of investment is standard so don’t all gloom.

Snowflake.

And a win on Saturday takes us above Brighton.

[GavlarClaret]

You're right to be worried if you've only started supporting Burnley the last 15 years. If you have any memory before then, you should be appreciative of where we actually are.

[tiger76]

We also might be safe after the next 5 games Get a grip

We might the next 5 are Brighton, Palace, WBA, Spurs & Arsenal, and the only ones out of that quintet that have even scored against us this season are Spurs, and that was a late breakaway effort, so we should have nothing to fear from these fixtures, and another 4 wins and a couple of draws should be enough to keep our heads above water for this season at least, then we'll have to wait and see if we are serious about improving both the first XI, and the squad with some shrewd signings. I'm prepared to give the new kids on the block the benefit of the doubt for now, but if we don't start getting decent signings in this summer my patience will be wearing thin. If we're not intent on spending big, then Mr Pace would be better keeping his trap shut, ATM it looks like he's all mouth and no trousers.

[Bigvince]

Thank god you didn’t put this on the takeover thread, it’s already long enough

[Gerry Hattrick]

But on the plus side, our supply of twix are building up nicely

Couldn’t resist taking this photo at the tobacco and Lottery ticket counter in ASDA this afternoon
For those on here with a strange Twix obsession, an opportunity not to be missed.
A b****y big box full of the things, just 49p each. Yep 49p!!!.
So get ya masks on and get down there pronto. And no feyting o’er em.

[WalkdenClaret]

Burnley fc do not have a large debt. Burnley fc haven’t borrowed any money.! The debt is with ultimate parent. If they went bust we would then owned by a company controlled by a man with a personal net worth of 41 billion dollars.

Hoping you're correct Clansman, Burnley haven't borrowed any money. So, to clarify you're saying ALK and NOT the club have taken on the loan with MSD (who usually only loan to football clubs) and BFC will not be servicing the interest. Good news.

Despite this, I think it's more or less public knowledge that the debt is secured against Turf Moor, Gawthorpe, and player contracts. Sadly, I don't think Michael Dell and MSD have amassed $41bn by being benevolent. if we defaulted, those assets would be whipped away sharpish.

[Colburn_Claret]

So, in the blink of an eye we look like we are going to drop to 17th place .
The transfer window has closed with no signings of note
We have 5 major players out injured
Our players are looking tired
We have 3 huge games coming up against fellow relegation candidates plus an important cup tie
And according to The Guardian the club has gone from having a hefty bank balance to being hugely in debt.
Hopefully we will survive but the above does not make great reading. Am I right to be worried ?

No

[clansman]

Walkden
I’m saying MSD don’t operate like that. In the event of an Alk meltdown MSD would simply take over the ownership of the club.There would be no sale of assets they would use them and add value.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Naathen Mr Pace, we find ourselves 8 points clear of the relegation places and 3 of the bottom 5 to play at home. The team directly behind us have won 2 games in 21 and will probably need to win 6 or 7 of their final 17 games which include games against almost all the top 6. Is it right I am close to waving the white flag or do I just need a backbone.

[wilks_bfc]

Last four league games have been Liverpool, Aston Villa, Chelsea & Man City

How many points were people expecting to get from those games?
I certainly wasn’t expecting the 6 that we did get.

In 3 games time we could be upto 12/13 in the league.

It’s those 3 games that we need to be judged on

[AlargeClaret]

Bottom line is providing we stay relatively injury free ( Taylor the only player I ever feel we truly miss) we ARE “ good” enough to stay up fairly comfortably . There’s no tougher up for it unit in the prem with our guile ,attitude and manager . A huge month is Feb ,which could yet end with half the prem looking over their shoulders or could pretty much fully settle relegation . It’s a time to be positive , back the club 100% and we’ll see what the new owners are made of close season

[Billy Balfour]

Last four league games have been Liverpool, Aston Villa, Chelsea & Man City
How many points were people expecting to get from those games?
I certainly wasn’t expecting the 6 that we did get.

This.

I thought between 1 and 3 points at the most. Getting 6 surpassed even the most optimistic of pundits.

[evensteadiereddie]

Aspointed out, our league position could be far, far worse. I think most posters thought we'd get a couple of draws from our last four games, one even talked of three points from them being "a miracle".
Just imagine how it would be without those six. We've done well and will continue to do so. Sure, the teams around us and maybe below us will pick up wins, they always do, but, tbh, if we can't pick up thge equivalent of five wins in 17 (?) games then we deserve to go down.

[gandhisflipflop]

Either the poster is fishing or he doesn't have the full understand of the game either way i can't quite work it out.

[warksclaret]

Forget all the bullshit, and how we have taken 6 points recently, but having now played almost every team this season,did anyone last night see the table of goals scored, goal attempts, attempts on target, possession, passes in the final third. I think we were 20th this season, in each category. Go a goal down and we have basically lost the game.The team that started last night has scored 4 goals, and one may have been an own goal

[Spijed]

Forget all the bullshit, and how we have taken 6 points recently, but having now played almost every team this season,did anyone last night see the table of goals scored, goal attempts, attempts on target, possession, passes in the final third. I think we were 20th this season, in each category. Go a goal down and we have basically lost the game.The team that started last night has scored 4 goals, and one may have been an own goal

So what. It's clean sheets that keep you up as Big Sam knows all too well.

[evensteadiereddie]

So how did we we win the points we have ? Or did Santa bring them ?

[Gordaleman]

Every few weeks we hear of managers being sacked due to short term thinking by boards of directors. "Success now." is the cry by these boards, even though the majority of pundits and fans tend to disagree. Managers need time to get their feet under the table and see what assets they have before they can affect the performance of clubs. Short term thinking NEVER works and it's time some of the younger, more impatient fans on here realised that.

Isn't it time that some on here gave Mr Pace and his team the same time? For goodness sake, he's only been here just over a month and he's been constrained by Covid as well.

I don't have too many concerns about Burnley surviving in the PL this season, so let's see what the start of next season brings. It might be a whole new world.

[CnBtruntru]

Burnley fc do not have a large debt. Burnley fc haven’t borrowed any money.! The debt is with ultimate parent. If they went bust we would then owned by a company controlled by a man with a personal net worth of 41 billion dollars.

Jesus, he's not in the same league as Elon Musk

Predictive text had it as Eton Mess

[claretonthecoast1882]

Forget all the bullshit, and how we have taken 6 points recently, but having now played almost every team this season,did anyone last night see the table of goals scored, goal attempts, attempts on target, possession, passes in the final third. I think we were 20th this season, in each category. Go a goal down and we have basically lost the game.The team that started last night has scored 4 goals, and one may have been an own goal

Yeah lets ignore all the bullshit about factual points we have won and whinge about how going a goal down means we have lost (ignoring a game just 1 week ago where we went behind twice in the same game and won) great point made.

[Goodclaret]

I always wonder how peoples' minds work with threads like this. Suddenly think we won't be able to win another game ever again whilst assuming, confidently, that the bottom 3 (who, incidentally have only won one more game than us between them!) are going to go on some amazing winning run. I can't fathom it out.

[warksclaret]

Yeah lets ignore all the bullshit about factual points we have won and whinge about how going a goal down means we have lost (ignoring a game just 1 week ago where we went behind twice in the same game and won) great point made.

Sorry pal, but until recently retiring I worked in a business where recent sales trends were far more important than what we had achieved. We all have fear in built in to us, and some of us will sometimes fear the worst.Its human nature.

To me, and its my opinion its a case of 3 from four at the bottom at the moment. Because of our inactivity in the final third then we are not out of it yet. Sheff Utd have won 3 of their last 5 games. One was at Old Trafford, and they rarely get trashed. Even Fulham who are 8 points behind (and yes wouldn't they love to be in our position), recently managed a combined 16 shots v Chelsea and Man City. I think our count was a combined max of two, and neither close to goal. Add to that the ability to keep Pope, Mee and Tarks fit for another 16+ games, and free of suspensions, and then you just hope that our goal attemps/ goals on targets/chances created rises above 20th in the Division. I am not a drama queen which seems to be a common saying amongst fans on this board,just a realist.

[FCBurnley]

Sorry pal, but until recently retiring I worked in a business where recent sales trends were far more important than what we had achieved. We all have fear in built in to us, and some of us will sometimes fear the worst.Its human nature.

To me, and its my opinion its a case of 3 from four at the bottom at the moment. Because of our inactivity in the final third then we are not out of it yet. Sheff Utd have won 3 of their last 5 games. One was at Old Trafford, and they rarely get trashed. Even Fulham who are 8 points behind (and yes wouldn't they love to be in our position), recently managed a combined 16 shots v Chelsea and Man City. I think our count was a combined max of two, and neither close to goal. Add to that the ability to keep Pope, Mee and Tarks fit for another 16+ games, and free of suspensions, and then you just hope that our goal attemps/ goals on targets/chances created rises above 20th in the Division. I am not a drama queen which seems to be a common saying amongst fans on this board,just a realist.

Very fair and realistic summary

[ClaretTony]

To me, and its my opinion its a case of 3 from four at the bottom at the moment.

So you are suggesting that two teams who were below us 24 hours ago are not in a relegation battle.

[warksclaret]

So you are suggesting that two teams who were below us 24 hours ago are not in a relegation battle.

Probably over reacted to the "threadbare team" we put out last night, and not having an attempt on goal now in two games.Our best two strikers out (based on present form), no Charlie Taylor, and no one on the bench who could change the game. Has a PL side this season fielded consistently benches as weak as ours.How many games in the PL are now won via a tactical substitution.

When we play Brighton on Saturday just have a look at their bench. On reflection for me its 3 from five including Newcastle. Brighton for me are a very strongly balanced club-two good keepers, a very strong back three, a creative midfield, and an array of exciting strikers (who from memory exposed us at the Turf last match of last season). I can see them finishing even higher up the table than they are at present. They managed both their recent victories against Spurs and Liverpool very professionally. Then other sides above us like Wolves & Palace can easily win the number of required games to stay mid table

Its the exposure of our starting 11 that frightens me, with games coming round quickly, and I shudder to think of the consequences if Pope, Tarks or Mee get injured, or suspended .Its not our ability to perform, its our ability to field a strong enough starting 11 to get a result

[dsr]

Sorry pal, but until recently retiring I worked in a business where recent sales trends were far more important than what we had achieved. We all have fear in built in to us, and some of us will sometimes fear the worst.Its human nature.

To me, and its my opinion its a case of 3 from four at the bottom at the moment. Because of our inactivity in the final third then we are not out of it yet. Sheff Utd have won 3 of their last 5 games. One was at Old Trafford, and they rarely get trashed. Even Fulham who are 8 points behind (and yes wouldn't they love to be in our position), recently managed a combined 16 shots v Chelsea and Man City. I think our count was a combined max of two, and neither close to goal. Add to that the ability to keep Pope, Mee and Tarks fit for another 16+ games, and free of suspensions, and then you just hope that our goal attemps/ goals on targets/chances created rises above 20th in the Division. I am not a drama queen which seems to be a common saying amongst fans on this board,just a realist.

While getting realistic about Fulham's shots on target, you could also perhaps get realistic about their last 11 games which have gone by without a win. In which time, they have scored 6 goals and got 7 points.

Newcastle's last 11 games, they have scored 8 goals and got 5 points. Not sure that form is good enough to completely rule them out of relegation danger.

In our last 11 games we have scored 8 goals and got 16 points. And those 11 games have been against teams currently in positions 1-2-4-5-8-9-9-10-11-14-20 in the table.

Do I need to count the shots on target to see who is in better form?

[Spijed]

Probably over reacted to the "threadbare team" we put out last night, and not having an attempt on goal now in two games.Our best two strikers out (based on present form), no Charlie Taylor, and no one on the bench who could change the game. Has a PL side this season fielded consistently benches as weak as ours.How many games in the PL are now won via a tactical substitution.

When we play Brighton on Saturday just have a look at their bench. On reflection for me its 3 from five including Newcastle. Brighton for me are a very strongly balanced club-two good keepers, a very strong back three, a creative midfield, and an array of exciting strikers (who from memory exposed us at the Turf last match of last season). I can see them finishing even higher up the table than they are at present. They managed both their recent victories against Spurs and Liverpool very professionally. Then other sides above us like Wolves & Palace can easily win the number of required games to stay mid table

Its the exposure of our starting 11 that frightens me, with games coming round quickly, and I shudder to think of the consequences if Pope, Tarks or Mee get injured, or suspended .Its not our ability to perform, its our ability to field a strong enough starting 11 to get a result

Explain, up to now, why Brighton have struggled in the Prem, being just two points above us if as you say, they have two good keepers, a very strong back three, a creative midfield and array of exciting strikers?

Why aren't they currently higher up the table, nearer say - West Ham?

[warksclaret]

Explain, up to now, why Brighton have struggled in the Prem, being just two points above us if as you say, they have two good keepers, a very strong back three, a creative midfield and array of exciting strikers?

Why aren't they currently higher up the table, nearer say - West Ham?

I cannot explain that, and I am not sure their manager can either. Can you explain why we were at this time last season in a dangerous situation, just a few points off the relegation spot , then went on a great run. That's the beauty of football. I have however been mythed why Brighton had only won one league game at home during 2020. In my opinion they are a sound all round team, and should be higher than their recent position-certainly above Palace. If I knew these answers I would be sitting next to Carragher & Neville-but as fans we go on our gut instincts, and what we see during televised play

Dont forget, a bit like shares , BFC are capable of some amazing runs, then are quite capable of a long run without a victory. Its happened virtually since we got back in the PL. Heres hoping for 3 points Saturday, and it will be a good barometer of both sides abilities when we play Brighton. I would be very surprised if they are a "roll-over" though, and feel it will be evenly balanced

[FCBurnley]

I cannot explain that, and I am not sure their manager can either. Can you explain why we were at this time last season in a dangerous situation, just a few points off the relegation spot , then went on a great run. That's the beauty of football. I have however been mythed why Brighton had only won one league game at home during 2020. In my opinion they are a sound all round team, and should be higher than their recent position-certainly above Palace. If I knew these answers I would be sitting next to Carragher & Neville-but as fans we go on our gut instincts, and what we see during televised play

Dont forget, a bit like shares , BFC are capable of some amazing runs, then are quite capable of a long run without a victory. Its happened virtually since we got back in the PL. Heres hoping for 3 points Saturday, and it will be a good barometer of both sides abilities when we play Brighton. I would be very surprised if they are a "roll-over" though, and feel it will be evenly balanced

I think the Brighton game will be very tough for us unless we can get at least Barnes Wood Brownhill and Taylor back. If our line up is similar to last nights then I fear Brighton will roll us over. Injuries are very much our Achilles heel at the moment

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Explain, up to now, why Brighton have struggled in the Prem, being just two points above us if as you say, they have two good keepers, a very strong back three, a creative midfield and array of exciting strikers?

Why aren't they currently higher up the table, nearer say - West Ham?

Soft underbelly so to speak?
Potter has had them playing some pretty football, but maybe they're lacking the grit to grind out results when needed.