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Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:09 pm
by Milltown1882
Outrageous numbers for his first season in the Championship. Remember when we were linked with him for under £10mil, dread to think how much he will go for considering they got £30+ for Watkins.
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Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:13 pm
by tarkys_ears
Poor mans vokes!
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:25 pm
by Wellsy1882
They WILL win that league
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:27 pm
by Aclaret
We hear you Wellsy....I agree by the way.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:29 pm
by MACCA
Just like 18 months ago, still wears gloves, too fast and plays football.
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Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 pm
by Stayingup
Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:09 pm
Outrageous numbers for his first season in the Championship. Remember when we were linked with him for under £10mil, dread to think how much he will go for considering they got £30+ for Watkins.
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I think its 22 goals and he surely must have been worth a punt at the time he played with Posh on the Turf. He scored then.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:07 pm
by BurnleyFC
Forget their players, we need to employ their scouts.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:07 pm
by MACCA
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:04 pm
I think its 22 goals and he surely must have been worth a punt at the time he played with Posh on the Turf. He scored then.
For 5m are you sure?
That's an injured Nahki Wells, or a past it Jon Walters.
We wouldn't be taking a punt on a young lad at that price for a long time
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:08 pm
by Longsidejono6
He is unreal taking penalties, poor mans grezza
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:12 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
BurnleyFC wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:07 pm
Forget their players, we need to employ their scouts.
They use technology similar to what we will be doing now.
Let's be honest, using human scouts will be used in conjunction with tech now, thus reducing the need to employ so many people.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:21 pm
by Stayingup
MACCA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:07 pm
For 5m are you sure?
That's an injured Nahki Wells, or a past it Jon Walters.
We wouldn't be taking a punt on a young lad at that price for a long time
5 million? Was it. Well worth it. Ask Brentford.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:25 pm
by Vegas Claret
we don't need a scouting network, just wait for Brentford to go in for a forward then nip in and sign him
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:29 pm
by Rileybobs
I don't really understand using a player like this as a stick to beat our club with. Since when have we been in a position to be able to afford to sign a player from League One for, say £5m, and loan him out to the Championship to cut his teeth in the hope that he turns out a good'un. Where are the threads about countless other players we could have signed who have not made it?
The main difference between Brentford and ourselves in this case is that they're playing in the Championship, which gives them a much better opportunity to give players from the lower divisions a chance to step up. We have a small budget so any significant signings we make need to be ready to step into our match squad. Maybe that will change moving forwards, as it would be great to be able to take a punt on players like this.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:30 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Wellsy1882 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:25 pm
They WILL win that league
It’s a ‘bad league’
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:34 pm
by Aclaret
It must be if r*v**s are up to the dizzy heights of 8th !
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:35 pm
by Stayingup
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:29 pm
I don't really understand using a player like this as a stick to beat our club with. Since when have we been in a position to be able to afford to sign a player from League One for, say £5m, and loan him out to the Championship to cut his teeth in the hope that he turns out a good'un. Where are the threads about countless other players we could have signed who have not made it?
The main difference between Brentford and ourselves in this case is that they're playing in the Championship, which gives them a much better opportunity to give players from the lower divisions a chance to step up. We have a small budget so any significant signings we make need to be ready to step into our match squad. Maybe that will change moving forwards, as it would be great to be able to take a punt on players like this.
Using it as a stick to beat our club? What are you talking about? Its a sensible discussion about a player who we were linked with who is doing brilliantly in the Championship. We were linked and some, myself included, think he could have been worth a punt given age and wages etc. Why have you typically try to elevate this discussion to a beatng our club level. Its not very clever.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:38 pm
by Stayingup
Its that bad we got many of our players from.it. One in particular from Brentford.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:41 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Apologies, I was actually sarcastically referring to wellsys post on a previous thread suggesting that la liga was a bad league. I understand how that might have been misunderstood.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:41 pm
by Rileybobs
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:35 pm
Using it as a stick to beat our club? What are you talking about? Its a sensible discussion about a player who we were linked with who is doing brilliantly in the Championship. We were linked and some, myself included, think he could have been worth a punt given age and wages etc. Why have you typically try to elevate this discussion to a beatng our club level. Its not very clever.
'For 5m are you sure?
That's an injured Nahki Wells, or a past it Jon Walters.'
Pretty sure that's a dig at our club, aren't you?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:52 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Were we ever really linked with him? Or was his name just mentioned on here?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:05 pm
by tim_noone
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:38 pm
Its that bad we got many of our players from.it. One in particular from Brentford.
Glad Burnley aren't in it.. we'd struggle.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:40 pm
by Papabendi
It's getting to the point where any player linked with Brentford is worth some scrutiny by others.
No excuses with this one, he would have been known to us.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:53 pm
by Stayingup
tim_noone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:05 pm
Glad Burnley aren't in it.. we'd struggle.
You may well be right. But I think we'd be ok. Hypothetical of course
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:53 pm
by Stayingup
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:41 pm
'For 5m are you sure?
That's an injured Nahki Wells, or a past it Jon Walters.'
Pretty sure that's a dig at our club, aren't you?
Not really just a bit of a daft post.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:04 pm
by JohnDearyMe
Didn't Peterborough have a few other high scoring centre forwards at the same time? Can't remember their names but i wonder if any of them went on to better things too?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:08 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
Mikael-Smith (sp) was one wasn’t he?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:10 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Papabendi wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:40 pm
It's getting to the point where any player linked with Brentford is worth some scrutiny by others.
No excuses with this one, he would have been known to us.
What do you mean by "no excuses"?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:47 pm
by Dyched
Plenty missing the point we are in the Premier League, yet what have Brentford done with all these amazing players over the years? What are all these amazing players that have left doing now?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:51 pm
by boatshed bill
Dyched wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:47 pm
Plenty missing the point we are in the Premier League, yet what have Brentford done with all these amazing players over the years? What are all these amazing players that have left doing now?
They've sold a few.
Tarkowski is a decent PL player.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:58 pm
by Dyched
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:51 pm
They've sold a few.
Tarkowski is a decent PL player.
Yes obviously Tarkowski, but I’m failing to see where these other players have gone to at our level or above. Gray did well here, but hasn’t done it in this league. Watkins is playing well granted but only half a season in. There’s that guy at West Ham who is doing okay. But people suggesting Brentford's scouts are fantastic and finding gems is nonsense.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:04 pm
by boatshed bill
Dyched wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:58 pm
Yes obviously Tarkowski, but I’m failing to see where these other players have gone to at our level or above. Gray did well here, but hasn’t done it in this league. Watkins is playing well granted but only half a season in. There’s that guy at West Ham who is doing okay. But people suggesting Brentford's scouts are fantastic and finding gems is nonsense.
No, I think they do pretty well.
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but I believe the club carries a substantial level of debt.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:08 pm
by Dyched
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:04 pm
No, I think they do pretty well.
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but I believe the club carries a substantial level of debt.
Of course, I wasn’t doubting that. They’ve a good model of bring players in and selling them off.
My point was, no player that they’ve sold have gone on to be a good Premier League player over several seasons apart from James Tarkowski.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:08 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:04 pm
No, I think they do pretty well.
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but I believe the club carries a substantial level of debt.
They do, 2019 accounts showed £60 million of debt.
2020 accounts should be out in the next few months.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:09 pm
by Stayingup
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:08 pm
Mikael-Smith (sp) was one wasn’t he?
Long time before this lad. He went to Brighton and scored against us at the Turf.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:22 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:09 pm
Long time before this lad. He went to Brighton and scored against us at the Turf.
Ah right, thought he was referring to the years gone by, although I was surprised how long ago he was when I’ve checked.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:46 pm
by kentonclaret
What is impressive is that Brentford were able to identify Ollie Watkins who was a wide player at Exeter City, sign him for circa £1.5m and develop him to become Championship leading scorer before selling him on for £30m+. Replacing him with Ivan Toney who will become this season's leading scorer in the Championship is also impressive.
Another ex Brentford player gaining plaudits at Villa is Konsa.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:50 pm
by DustyBawls
Wouldn't Brentford earn more bringing players in and keeping them and getting promoted?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:09 pm
by Right_winger
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:35 pm
Using it as a stick to beat our club? What are you talking about? Its a sensible discussion about a player who we were linked with who is doing brilliantly in the Championship. We were linked and some, myself included, think he could have been worth a punt given age and wages etc. Why have you typically try to elevate this discussion to a beatng our club level. Its not very clever.
It happens with a lot of threads as people like rileybobs just seem
Super sensitive.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:14 pm
by boatshed bill
DustyBawls wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:50 pm
Wouldn't Brentford earn more bringing players in and keeping them and getting promoted?
They had a decent go last season, just missed out.
I imagine they will be in contention again this season.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:15 pm
by Rileybobs
Right_winger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:09 pm
It happens with a lot of threads as people like rileybobs just seem
Super sensitive.
Sorry for hurting your feelings.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:17 pm
by claretdj
The new Andre Gray..
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:17 pm
by DustyBawls
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:15 pm
Sorry for hurting your feelings.
There's worse than you.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:33 pm
by bfcjg
Hope they go up.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:54 am
by JohnMac
I should think at the time there would have been a meltdown had we signed Watkins from Exeter City or Toney from Peterborough.
We are a Premier League club and as such are only allowed to sign players who have proved themselves at a higher level or come from abroad ready to slot straight into the first team.
That's right, isn't it?
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:46 am
by MACCA
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:21 pm
5 million? Was it. Well worth it. Ask Brentford.
I know
Not the sort of player we buy though I'm afraid.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:51 am
by TheFamilyCat
JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:54 am
I should think at the time there would have been a meltdown had we signed Watkins from Exeter City or Toney from Peterborough.
We are a Premier League club and as such are only allowed to sign players who have proved themselves at a higher level or come from abroad ready to slot straight into the first team.
That's right, isn't it?
I'm a bit confused too. The same posters who constantly complain about us shopping in the Championship are complaining that we didn't buy a player from League One.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:20 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:51 am
I'm a bit confused too. The same posters who constantly complain about us shopping in the Championship are complaining that we didn't buy a player from League One.
They'll also be the same ones who wanted new owners and are now having a sulk because they don't like the new owners
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:33 am
by Stayingup
JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:54 am
I should think at the time there would have been a meltdown had we signed Watkins from Exeter City or Toney from Peterborough.
We are a Premier League club and as such are only allowed to sign players who have proved themselves at a higher level or come from abroad ready to slot straight into the first team.
That's right, isn't it?
You have a point of course but we diid sign Pope and Guddy from then relegated Charlton. Trust in Dyche!!!
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:44 pm
by huw.Y.WattfromWare
Toney gets better every time I watch him. Holds it up, feeds team mates, defends and scores.
Time for a striker for the future. Get it done, Mr. Pace.
Re: Ivan Toney
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:52 pm
by jdrobbo
We’d need to pay upwards of £25 million to land Toney.